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ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
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Partaal (1153)
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<blockquote data-quote="Atheist" data-source="post: 123150" data-attributes="member: 10421"><p>Dear Satyaban,</p><p> </p><p>I now have some time to respond to the passage you wanted me to respond to. Your responses will be in blue.</p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue">It is not simply the idea of some God it goes much deeper and there are many commonalities which I will not endeavor to cover here but there is a fantastic book, not very long, that explains the matter exquisitely.</span></p><p> </p><p>Commonalities does not make it true. Consider the shape of the earth. A long time ago, there were LOTS of commonalities regarding the shape of the earth and the "belief" was that it was flat. No matter how much commonality there was, the belief that the earth is flat was simply wrong. You cannot use commonality as a justification for something being true, as is evidenced by the flat earth belief. Of course, there actually is a Flat Earth Society. Are they right just because hundreds of years ago there was lots of commonality with their belief that the earth is flat? Of course not. Similarly, one cannot say god must exist because there is so much commonality amongst different people that say god exists.</p><p> </p><p>The book "The Inner Reaches of Outer Space, Religion as Myth and Metaphor" of course sounds intriguing and when my life/work is less hectic it would be something to consider.</p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue">I find nothing remarkable about this. It is nothing more than socialization and family effects similar to becoming a fan of the local professional sporting team. The geography is of location not the nature of the geography such as being coastal etc.</span></p><p> </p><p>I agree completely. I was being sarcastic, I too find nothing "remarkable" about it - it is just socialization! So how can it be true?? If people in a particular area believe that Ohio State is the best basketball team, that doesn't make it true does it? No matter how much they may believe it. Of course, it COULD be the best team, after all one team has to be the best, but it is not simply because it was believed to be. So just like socialization may make someone think Ohio State is the best basketball team, so has, as you pointed out correclty, that socialization leads to people believing certain things - again that does NOT make it correct. </p><p> </p><p>It is NOT a function of geography at all, that is just a satire on religion. If you are born in India, there is about an 80% (yes give or take) chance or so you will be Hindu stastically. It has nothing to do with India's soil or the longitude/lattitude of India, it is simply that chances are your parents would be Hindu too. Nothing remarkable, just an observation of socialization. Again, socialization does not make it true, it just explains why so many people from India are Hindu. Same with god - it can be socialization but that doesn't make it so.</p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue">We can use the USA as an example. The majority of people in the US being Christian is a result of the people who came here in the 15th and 16th centuries namely Christians from western Europe plus like minded people tend to congregate.</span></p><p> </p><p>Again, I agree completely. There is nothing inherently "christian" about the location of the US on this planet. It has to do with as you said the people who came here in the 15th and 16th centuries. Those people raised their kids to be christian and the chain continued. So I agree it's not really a function of geography, that's just a way to show how absurd it is for people to believe in something JUST BECAUSE their parents do - admitedly not everyone does that almost all christians I have met do that.</p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue">I can think of a couple examples of unssen things I believe in off the top of my head. I believe in gravity, electricity, magnetism and heat.</span></p><p> </p><p>Let us start with gravity. It is true we cannot "see" it. Our eyes are only sensitive to the electromagnetic spectrum, and at that only a very, VERY small portion of it. So anything that exists outside of this spectrum will be unseen. Music for example cannot be seen yet we know it exists. Not to take your passage too literally, let's say that our 5 senses are only sensitive to certain things (nose and scent for example). We cannot see, hear, feel, smell, or taste gravity like you can a mango. But it exists and we know this because there is actual sound, scientific objective evidence for it. We can even quantify it - the gravitational/acceleration constant is 9.8 meters per second squared on this planet (in most places on this planet). An actual number that quantifies the behavior of gravity truly shows that it exists - yet we cannot see it. But this is a far cry from god who we also cannot see.</p><p> </p><p>Now let us take electricity. None of our five senses are sensitive to electricity (unless you ask someone who has been electrocuted). But suppose you have not been electrocuted. Still there is sound, scientific data that has been able to create rechargeable batteries. If eletricity did not exist and we had no data about it, we would never have been able to make these. We can see the battery but not the electrical charge - but that does not mean the charge does not exist because there is evidence that it does exist. </p><p> </p><p>Now let us take heat. We can feel heat. We have receptors in our skin for temperature. We also have separate receptors for light touch, pressure, sharp, and pain. In fact, with a specific lesion, someone can feel pressure but not sharpness because they are different receptors. We know that heat is caused by an increase in energy in an object. So although we cannot "see" heat we know it exists based on evidence. Any concept, including god, should not be immune from this. Just because we cannot see god does not mean god does or does not exist - either way, at least a modicum of evidence is required.</p><p> </p><p>Our ears can hear stuff, but they cannot hear certain pitches because our ears are simply not sensitive to those pitches. That does not mean those pitches don't exist - for there is evidence that they do exist. So again, <em>evidence.</em> We cannot see, hear, touch, smell, or taste god (and anyone who claims they hear voices in their and it is really god is generally considered insane - I have seen such people). Ok, let us give god the benefit of the doubt. Not being able to sense god does not mean he does not exist. So then it comes to evidence - there is evidence for gravity, heat, and electricity.</p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue">I am afraid somewhere along the line you have misunderstood me. I am not a Sikh but I do not know if it makes a difference. I was born into a Christian family and practiced it until threw life's experience I was called to a different path. My faith, for lack of a better term is "Hinduism" and I call the Absolute "Siva" and have a deep personal relationship with Lord Siva.</span></p><p> </p><p>I apologize for calling you something that you are not. I of course am quite pleased that you decided to reject christianity and were enlightened. In either case, I realize that a unicorn is not the same as god to you because I too was a theist. </p><p> </p><p>Main points:</p><p>1) Believing in something does not make it so</p><p>2) Generally people believe what their parents (and yes friends, media, etc.) do - you of course are a notable and wise exception. But the general pattern still holds, otherwise year after year India would not be so heavily Hindu</p><p>3) Our 5 senses are only sensitive to certain things. Those things that fall outside of that cannot be sensed by us, but that does not mean it doesn't exist - on the other hand, it does not meant it DOES exist - it needs at least some evidence.</p><p>4) Commonalities does not make something true. There is a flat earth society still around, but it would be absurd to suggest they are right just because they hold so much commonality between almost everyone several centuries ago</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Atheist, post: 123150, member: 10421"] Dear Satyaban, I now have some time to respond to the passage you wanted me to respond to. Your responses will be in blue. [COLOR=blue]It is not simply the idea of some God it goes much deeper and there are many commonalities which I will not endeavor to cover here but there is a fantastic book, not very long, that explains the matter exquisitely.[/COLOR] Commonalities does not make it true. Consider the shape of the earth. A long time ago, there were LOTS of commonalities regarding the shape of the earth and the "belief" was that it was flat. No matter how much commonality there was, the belief that the earth is flat was simply wrong. You cannot use commonality as a justification for something being true, as is evidenced by the flat earth belief. Of course, there actually is a Flat Earth Society. Are they right just because hundreds of years ago there was lots of commonality with their belief that the earth is flat? Of course not. Similarly, one cannot say god must exist because there is so much commonality amongst different people that say god exists. The book "The Inner Reaches of Outer Space, Religion as Myth and Metaphor" of course sounds intriguing and when my life/work is less hectic it would be something to consider. [COLOR=blue]I find nothing remarkable about this. It is nothing more than socialization and family effects similar to becoming a fan of the local professional sporting team. The geography is of location not the nature of the geography such as being coastal etc.[/COLOR] I agree completely. I was being sarcastic, I too find nothing "remarkable" about it - it is just socialization! So how can it be true?? If people in a particular area believe that Ohio State is the best basketball team, that doesn't make it true does it? No matter how much they may believe it. Of course, it COULD be the best team, after all one team has to be the best, but it is not simply because it was believed to be. So just like socialization may make someone think Ohio State is the best basketball team, so has, as you pointed out correclty, that socialization leads to people believing certain things - again that does NOT make it correct. It is NOT a function of geography at all, that is just a satire on religion. If you are born in India, there is about an 80% (yes give or take) chance or so you will be Hindu stastically. It has nothing to do with India's soil or the longitude/lattitude of India, it is simply that chances are your parents would be Hindu too. Nothing remarkable, just an observation of socialization. Again, socialization does not make it true, it just explains why so many people from India are Hindu. Same with god - it can be socialization but that doesn't make it so. [COLOR=blue]We can use the USA as an example. The majority of people in the US being Christian is a result of the people who came here in the 15th and 16th centuries namely Christians from western Europe plus like minded people tend to congregate.[/COLOR] Again, I agree completely. There is nothing inherently "christian" about the location of the US on this planet. It has to do with as you said the people who came here in the 15th and 16th centuries. Those people raised their kids to be christian and the chain continued. So I agree it's not really a function of geography, that's just a way to show how absurd it is for people to believe in something JUST BECAUSE their parents do - admitedly not everyone does that almost all christians I have met do that. [COLOR=blue]I can think of a couple examples of unssen things I believe in off the top of my head. I believe in gravity, electricity, magnetism and heat.[/COLOR] Let us start with gravity. It is true we cannot "see" it. Our eyes are only sensitive to the electromagnetic spectrum, and at that only a very, VERY small portion of it. So anything that exists outside of this spectrum will be unseen. Music for example cannot be seen yet we know it exists. Not to take your passage too literally, let's say that our 5 senses are only sensitive to certain things (nose and scent for example). We cannot see, hear, feel, smell, or taste gravity like you can a mango. But it exists and we know this because there is actual sound, scientific objective evidence for it. We can even quantify it - the gravitational/acceleration constant is 9.8 meters per second squared on this planet (in most places on this planet). An actual number that quantifies the behavior of gravity truly shows that it exists - yet we cannot see it. But this is a far cry from god who we also cannot see. Now let us take electricity. None of our five senses are sensitive to electricity (unless you ask someone who has been electrocuted). But suppose you have not been electrocuted. Still there is sound, scientific data that has been able to create rechargeable batteries. If eletricity did not exist and we had no data about it, we would never have been able to make these. We can see the battery but not the electrical charge - but that does not mean the charge does not exist because there is evidence that it does exist. Now let us take heat. We can feel heat. We have receptors in our skin for temperature. We also have separate receptors for light touch, pressure, sharp, and pain. In fact, with a specific lesion, someone can feel pressure but not sharpness because they are different receptors. We know that heat is caused by an increase in energy in an object. So although we cannot "see" heat we know it exists based on evidence. Any concept, including god, should not be immune from this. Just because we cannot see god does not mean god does or does not exist - either way, at least a modicum of evidence is required. Our ears can hear stuff, but they cannot hear certain pitches because our ears are simply not sensitive to those pitches. That does not mean those pitches don't exist - for there is evidence that they do exist. So again, [I]evidence.[/I] We cannot see, hear, touch, smell, or taste god (and anyone who claims they hear voices in their and it is really god is generally considered insane - I have seen such people). Ok, let us give god the benefit of the doubt. Not being able to sense god does not mean he does not exist. So then it comes to evidence - there is evidence for gravity, heat, and electricity. [COLOR=blue]I am afraid somewhere along the line you have misunderstood me. I am not a Sikh but I do not know if it makes a difference. I was born into a Christian family and practiced it until threw life's experience I was called to a different path. My faith, for lack of a better term is "Hinduism" and I call the Absolute "Siva" and have a deep personal relationship with Lord Siva.[/COLOR] I apologize for calling you something that you are not. I of course am quite pleased that you decided to reject christianity and were enlightened. In either case, I realize that a unicorn is not the same as god to you because I too was a theist. Main points: 1) Believing in something does not make it so 2) Generally people believe what their parents (and yes friends, media, etc.) do - you of course are a notable and wise exception. But the general pattern still holds, otherwise year after year India would not be so heavily Hindu 3) Our 5 senses are only sensitive to certain things. Those things that fall outside of that cannot be sensed by us, but that does not mean it doesn't exist - on the other hand, it does not meant it DOES exist - it needs at least some evidence. 4) Commonalities does not make something true. There is a flat earth society still around, but it would be absurd to suggest they are right just because they hold so much commonality between almost everyone several centuries ago [/QUOTE]
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