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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="Archived_member14" data-source="post: 161291" data-attributes="member: 586"><p>Ambarsaria ji,</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So you choose to identify yourself with that which exists even before there is any possibility of knowing that you exist!?</p><p></p><p>Indeed judging from what you write at the end, what you are saying is that this in turn is composed of souls coming from all over....?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>By 'life' do you refer to mentality or also some particular kind of materiality?</p><p>And this life is a product of the materiality existing prior to it? Do you, like the scientist materialist, see mind as epiphenomena of matter? </p><p></p><p>Can you elaborate what significance has the 'growing' have here?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What is your meaning of ‘living’ here such that you differentiate it from ‘life’? Is conception not an instance of ‘living’ too?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You may like to correct the above, since it appears to suggest that life continues on for little longer after death. This would then make the concept of birth, life and death rather meaningless. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again what you are doing is identifying with something which does not have any power of knowing what it is or anything at all. </p><p></p><p>If you identify a being with materiality before birth and after death, what significance you give to the fact of birth and death? In other words, other than pointing them out, can you tell me what your understanding of these phenomena are?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The first, I now have a vague idea. But I’d still need you to say something about the second. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think this is what I was trying to address in my last message. </p><p>Why do you bring the idea of material body transforming into another material body in to argue against the concept of reincarnation when no one has talked about the latter in these terms? </p><p></p><p>But I think I see why you can’t help doing this and correct me if I am wrong.</p><p></p><p>You posit that mind or sentience is the product of materiality. Starting with matter you see that at birth this gives rise to mind. But this is still at the most rudimentary form which then goes through a transformational process whereby it becomes more developed up until a particular point when decay sets in, leading to death. And this probably means that with decay of the physical body, also decline in mental capacity happens.</p><p></p><p>In this particular scenario it is then hard for you to accept the idea of rebirth / reincarnation the way it is understood. While you have tied mind and its development and decline to the growth and decay of the body, to believe that a particular mind with all its accumulated tendencies can after death “continue” in another form is not tenable. </p><p></p><p>Would this be a more or less fair representation of your position Ambarsaria ji?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And the bug, having eaten from more than one place have in effect not only increased the size of its soul, but made it more variegated than otherwise. And can you explain what you mean by the fact that your soul for example, merges with mine even while both of us are alive?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Archived_member14, post: 161291, member: 586"] Ambarsaria ji, So you choose to identify yourself with that which exists even before there is any possibility of knowing that you exist!? Indeed judging from what you write at the end, what you are saying is that this in turn is composed of souls coming from all over....? By 'life' do you refer to mentality or also some particular kind of materiality? And this life is a product of the materiality existing prior to it? Do you, like the scientist materialist, see mind as epiphenomena of matter? Can you elaborate what significance has the 'growing' have here? What is your meaning of ‘living’ here such that you differentiate it from ‘life’? Is conception not an instance of ‘living’ too? You may like to correct the above, since it appears to suggest that life continues on for little longer after death. This would then make the concept of birth, life and death rather meaningless. Again what you are doing is identifying with something which does not have any power of knowing what it is or anything at all. If you identify a being with materiality before birth and after death, what significance you give to the fact of birth and death? In other words, other than pointing them out, can you tell me what your understanding of these phenomena are? The first, I now have a vague idea. But I’d still need you to say something about the second. I think this is what I was trying to address in my last message. Why do you bring the idea of material body transforming into another material body in to argue against the concept of reincarnation when no one has talked about the latter in these terms? But I think I see why you can’t help doing this and correct me if I am wrong. You posit that mind or sentience is the product of materiality. Starting with matter you see that at birth this gives rise to mind. But this is still at the most rudimentary form which then goes through a transformational process whereby it becomes more developed up until a particular point when decay sets in, leading to death. And this probably means that with decay of the physical body, also decline in mental capacity happens. In this particular scenario it is then hard for you to accept the idea of rebirth / reincarnation the way it is understood. While you have tied mind and its development and decline to the growth and decay of the body, to believe that a particular mind with all its accumulated tendencies can after death “continue” in another form is not tenable. Would this be a more or less fair representation of your position Ambarsaria ji? And the bug, having eaten from more than one place have in effect not only increased the size of its soul, but made it more variegated than otherwise. And can you explain what you mean by the fact that your soul for example, merges with mine even while both of us are alive? [/QUOTE]
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