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<blockquote data-quote="thesikhviewpoint" data-source="post: 170616" data-attributes="member: 18135"><p>well, hope i am not too late in this discussion....before arguing on halal and jatkha we should first know the basic principles behind both. now a days many islamic scholars have created a great misconceptions not about this topic but also about many other topics and thats why we can see a lots of our muslim brothers who even do'nt know the basics just come and argue on such topics on the basis of explanations being provided by such islamic scholars...so lets have some class of these students and their so called scholars on their own lines.....</p><p>1. <u><strong>halal is scientifically proven more hygienic</strong>:</u> well am in the field of veterinary medicine from past 10 years and what ever scientific and unscientific associated with different ways of slaughtering the animals is known to me...i can not disscuss all the methods but surely about halal....in scientific language and literature halal means severing the jugular vein of animal such that maximum blood oozes out, but there is no mention of any particular direction or prayer......can any muslim scholar clear this air??? a halal is considered only when you put animal in particular direction and severe its neck while reciting the kalama and not only so only those meat are accepted as halal by islam which are done by either muslim or christian....so if halal is scientifically proven or in words of islamic scholars halal is what science says....kindly proove it by eating a chicken severed as per what science says as halal (without any particular direction, kalama & irrespective of religion of person doing it)...and for this test i am ready to volunteer myself to any of my muslim brother or scholar who says science says islamic way of slaughtering halal is best.</p><p>2. <u><strong>scientifically proven that islamic way of slaughter is more hygenic becoz. maximum blood oozes out of body</strong></u>: according to science, blood is a source of micro organisms (bacterial growth) and it is desired to flush out maximum blood out of slaughtered animal so that its shelf life (keeping time or we can say storage time till it is consumed) is enhanced. but where is this mentioned in islamic literature that blood is haram to muslims because it decreases shelf life????moreover islamic scholars also contend that blood causes various diseases but can anyone tell that if a disease is present in blood what are the chances of that diseases is not present in muscles of the same animal, after all muscles are also fed and nutrition-ed by blood??? </p><p>3. <u><strong>animal feel less pain in halal method</strong>:</u>: well can you tell me what is the level of pain if you keep a man in a chamber devoid of air?? my point is that there is lot of difference between <strong><em>pain and struggling</em></strong>. you shoot a man in head, he'll not struggle and die instantaneously but you keep the same man in a chamber devoid of air or in your terminology severe his jugular from neck, he'll struggle.....so which one is more humane.....one single sikh shot or slow islamic shot??? and by d way what you told abt. research done in university of Hanover Germany....that compared scientific halal with other stunning methods which do not include jatka becoz. in stunning methods animal's head remains intact with rest of body.</p><p>4.<u> <strong>how come so called jatka done by sikhs is more better than islamic halal</strong></u>???: the three main reasons why muslims do halal are <strong><em>(a)to please god (b) to flush blood out as it is haram for them (but not haram from scientific reasons like bacterial growth) and (c) as a ritualistic feast in occasions like eid, and others. </em></strong><u>Now comming to sikh's jatka</u>: in normal terms of life a sikh is advised to have simple meal, less meal and more meditation. but when sikhs come to meat eating it is advised to keep away from meats slaughtered via ritualistic methods. (a) if sikh wants to eat meat he should slaughter it <strong>himself or in front of his eyes </strong>so that no one can <strong>cheat</strong> him by either providing <strong>sick animal or by handing over ritualistic meat</strong>. so here we can see the scope of getting a sick or diseased animal is properly dealt with. also we can see there is no connection of pleasing god by slaughtering animal.</p><p>5. <u><strong>the most important question--blood remains in jatka</strong></u>: every coin have two sides or we can say there are pros also and cons also...scientifically halal <strong>(not islamic halal, thats another thing that now they relate it to science to proove themself more scientific)</strong> is better becoz. it increases keeping life or shelf life of meat. but a sikh is always supposed to slaughter animal quickly and cook it in shortest possible time without storing it. imagine at times when there were no refrigerators what did muslims did to boast their claim that halal is more better???in those times also it was advised to eat meat as soon as possible and in present time also science says <strong>consume meat as soon as possible and avoid prepacked and frozen meat</strong>. <u><strong><em><u>Issue of blood</u></em></strong>:</u>: on one hand you are taking life of a animal to gain some nutrients, do you think it is intelligible enough to waste a huge percentage of proteins which are present in blood of a healthy animal???? yes my dear islamic scholars why you forget that blood is rich is proteins. and if blood is infected with any disease it is not possible for that disease is not present in muscles of that animal. so by saying that blood is drained to avoid any disease condition and muscle of same animal is readily eaten, i think that is totally a <strong>blunder</strong>.</p><p><strong>so if we compare islamic halal with sikh jatka it is clear that:</strong></p><p>- sikhs <strong>enjoy more good nutrition gains</strong> as compared to muslims and also sikhs are exposed less to get infected with meat borne diseases becoz. they are supposed to get the animal slaughterd by themself or infront of them so that no one can cheat them by providing a sick animal's meat. </p><p>- as sikhs are supposed to cook and eat meat as soon as possible after slaughtering there is no issue of meat getting deteriorated but instead they are getting more nutrious meat.</p><p>so you muslims can go to any shop and get the stored/ frozen meat which is halal certified and leave the rest hygenic issues to the certifying company....but as sikhs we are only allowed to eat meat which is certified by no one else but by our own eyes and hands...</p><p><em><u></u></em></p><p><em><u>Hope the misconceptions created by islamic scholars and islamic people regarding not only jatka but also halal (whether scientific halal or islamic halal) are cleared.</u></em></p><p></p><p>and lastly i remembered one thing which amused me much: once surfing internet i came through site of <strong>islamic research foundation (IRF) </strong>headed by <u>Zakir Naik</u>. there on the issue of halal and jatka he writes that <em><strong>"muslims do halal becoz. they are not cowards like sikhs and kill animal from front".</strong></em> can he tell me where in sikhism there is any importance given to back or front while slaughtering an animal??? moreover animals have got two eyes on each side and jugular is placed on ventral part of neck and no one can see his/her/its jugular via direct eyes( jugular is beyond the vision angle of ones eye). so how comes muslims became more bold by doing halal??? and also in one sense he is very right that muslims are more brave..........they show their bravery by slaughtering animals.........<strong><em><u>zakir naik you are great</u></em></strong>...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="thesikhviewpoint, post: 170616, member: 18135"] well, hope i am not too late in this discussion....before arguing on halal and jatkha we should first know the basic principles behind both. now a days many islamic scholars have created a great misconceptions not about this topic but also about many other topics and thats why we can see a lots of our muslim brothers who even do'nt know the basics just come and argue on such topics on the basis of explanations being provided by such islamic scholars...so lets have some class of these students and their so called scholars on their own lines..... 1. [U][B]halal is scientifically proven more hygienic[/B]:[/U] well am in the field of veterinary medicine from past 10 years and what ever scientific and unscientific associated with different ways of slaughtering the animals is known to me...i can not disscuss all the methods but surely about halal....in scientific language and literature halal means severing the jugular vein of animal such that maximum blood oozes out, but there is no mention of any particular direction or prayer......can any muslim scholar clear this air??? a halal is considered only when you put animal in particular direction and severe its neck while reciting the kalama and not only so only those meat are accepted as halal by islam which are done by either muslim or christian....so if halal is scientifically proven or in words of islamic scholars halal is what science says....kindly proove it by eating a chicken severed as per what science says as halal (without any particular direction, kalama & irrespective of religion of person doing it)...and for this test i am ready to volunteer myself to any of my muslim brother or scholar who says science says islamic way of slaughtering halal is best. 2. [U][B]scientifically proven that islamic way of slaughter is more hygenic becoz. maximum blood oozes out of body[/B][/U]: according to science, blood is a source of micro organisms (bacterial growth) and it is desired to flush out maximum blood out of slaughtered animal so that its shelf life (keeping time or we can say storage time till it is consumed) is enhanced. but where is this mentioned in islamic literature that blood is haram to muslims because it decreases shelf life????moreover islamic scholars also contend that blood causes various diseases but can anyone tell that if a disease is present in blood what are the chances of that diseases is not present in muscles of the same animal, after all muscles are also fed and nutrition-ed by blood??? 3. [U][B]animal feel less pain in halal method[/B]:[/U]: well can you tell me what is the level of pain if you keep a man in a chamber devoid of air?? my point is that there is lot of difference between [B][I]pain and struggling[/I][/B]. you shoot a man in head, he'll not struggle and die instantaneously but you keep the same man in a chamber devoid of air or in your terminology severe his jugular from neck, he'll struggle.....so which one is more humane.....one single sikh shot or slow islamic shot??? and by d way what you told abt. research done in university of Hanover Germany....that compared scientific halal with other stunning methods which do not include jatka becoz. in stunning methods animal's head remains intact with rest of body. 4.[U] [B]how come so called jatka done by sikhs is more better than islamic halal[/B][/U]???: the three main reasons why muslims do halal are [B][I](a)to please god (b) to flush blood out as it is haram for them (but not haram from scientific reasons like bacterial growth) and (c) as a ritualistic feast in occasions like eid, and others. [/I][/B][U]Now comming to sikh's jatka[/U]: in normal terms of life a sikh is advised to have simple meal, less meal and more meditation. but when sikhs come to meat eating it is advised to keep away from meats slaughtered via ritualistic methods. (a) if sikh wants to eat meat he should slaughter it [B]himself or in front of his eyes [/B]so that no one can [B]cheat[/B] him by either providing [B]sick animal or by handing over ritualistic meat[/B]. so here we can see the scope of getting a sick or diseased animal is properly dealt with. also we can see there is no connection of pleasing god by slaughtering animal. 5. [U][B]the most important question--blood remains in jatka[/B][/U]: every coin have two sides or we can say there are pros also and cons also...scientifically halal [B](not islamic halal, thats another thing that now they relate it to science to proove themself more scientific)[/B] is better becoz. it increases keeping life or shelf life of meat. but a sikh is always supposed to slaughter animal quickly and cook it in shortest possible time without storing it. imagine at times when there were no refrigerators what did muslims did to boast their claim that halal is more better???in those times also it was advised to eat meat as soon as possible and in present time also science says [B]consume meat as soon as possible and avoid prepacked and frozen meat[/B]. [U][B][I][U]Issue of blood[/U][/I][/B]:[/U]: on one hand you are taking life of a animal to gain some nutrients, do you think it is intelligible enough to waste a huge percentage of proteins which are present in blood of a healthy animal???? yes my dear islamic scholars why you forget that blood is rich is proteins. and if blood is infected with any disease it is not possible for that disease is not present in muscles of that animal. so by saying that blood is drained to avoid any disease condition and muscle of same animal is readily eaten, i think that is totally a [B]blunder[/B]. [B]so if we compare islamic halal with sikh jatka it is clear that:[/B] - sikhs [B]enjoy more good nutrition gains[/B] as compared to muslims and also sikhs are exposed less to get infected with meat borne diseases becoz. they are supposed to get the animal slaughterd by themself or infront of them so that no one can cheat them by providing a sick animal's meat. - as sikhs are supposed to cook and eat meat as soon as possible after slaughtering there is no issue of meat getting deteriorated but instead they are getting more nutrious meat. so you muslims can go to any shop and get the stored/ frozen meat which is halal certified and leave the rest hygenic issues to the certifying company....but as sikhs we are only allowed to eat meat which is certified by no one else but by our own eyes and hands... [I][U] Hope the misconceptions created by islamic scholars and islamic people regarding not only jatka but also halal (whether scientific halal or islamic halal) are cleared.[/U][/I] and lastly i remembered one thing which amused me much: once surfing internet i came through site of [B]islamic research foundation (IRF) [/B]headed by [U]Zakir Naik[/U]. there on the issue of halal and jatka he writes that [I][B]"muslims do halal becoz. they are not cowards like sikhs and kill animal from front".[/B][/I] can he tell me where in sikhism there is any importance given to back or front while slaughtering an animal??? moreover animals have got two eyes on each side and jugular is placed on ventral part of neck and no one can see his/her/its jugular via direct eyes( jugular is beyond the vision angle of ones eye). so how comes muslims became more bold by doing halal??? and also in one sense he is very right that muslims are more brave..........they show their bravery by slaughtering animals.........[B][I][U]zakir naik you are great[/U][/I][/B]... 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