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<blockquote data-quote="Original" data-source="post: 201493" data-attributes="member: 14400"><p>Ambarsaria said: <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/goto/post?id=201479#post-201479" target="_blank"><u>↑</u></a></p><p>Original ji it is great to dialog with you.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0080ff">Thank you! Likewise, it’s a pleasure to be conversing with you all.</span></p><p><span style="color: #0080ff"></span></p><p><span style="color: #0080ff">I hope you’d allow me the liberty to rely upon some of the basic tenets of Sikhism [atman parmatma the separated soul from the supreme soul], purely as an exercise mode to move forward with what will in all eventualities is transcendental states of awareness.</span></p><p></p><p>Let me be clear about myself. I do not pretend that I have the eyes that can see all the grandeur of creation/God/creator. Same goes for my ears, nose, touch taste sensory attributes. It is too vast and we may be so ill equipped to see all that to an outside observer at another galaxy, we may look like foolish and silly two legged {censored}s.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0080ff">You do have the eyes; look at page 8 of SGGSJ <strong>ਸੋਦਰ[liteal meaning door] ੁ ਤੇਰਾ ਕੇਹਾ ਸੋ ਘਰੁ ਕੇਹਾ ਜਿਤੁ ਬਹਿ ਸਰਬ ਸਮਾਲ [where art thou O Lord? Where is thy door, thy tower, where thou sittith?] ੇ</strong></span></p><p><span style="color: #0080ff"></span></p><p><span style="color: #0080ff">Here Guru Nanak in the opening verses of Rehras yearns for Akal Purakh. [NOTE] Guru Nanak had already met Akal Purakh [mystical experience at Sultanpur Lodhi] and what he is trying to do here is make use of poetic form [like Jap Ji Sahib question n answer] to direct the separated soul for reunion. Guru Angand on page 139 uses similar style to redirect and explain methodically how all is possible. Guru Amardas on page 124 fully explains in no uncertain terms but very precisely the closure of the 9 doors of the body and the entrance through the 10 to the house of the Lord. Moreover, Guru Amardas Ji is really homing it in - <strong>ਸਚੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਸਚਾ ਹਰਿ ਮੰਦਰੁ ਪ੍ਰਗਟੀ ਸਾਚੀ ਸੋਇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਮੰਦਰੁ ਏਹੁ ਸਰੀਰੁ ਹੈ ਗਿਆਨਿ ਰਤਨਿ ਪਰਗਟੁ ਹੋਇ ॥ ਮਨਮੁਖ ਮੂਲੁ ਨ ਜਾਣਨੀ ਮਾਣਸਿ ਹਰਿ ਮੰਦਰੁ ਨ ਹੋਇ page 1346.</strong></span></p><p><span style="color: #0080ff"><strong>You have it, we all have it – question is one of realisation.</strong></span></p><p></p><p>Conversely my take from Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji and our Guru ji is that I try to use my abilities and exploit the gifts that are bestowed upon me by the creator to use my senses for all I can. Through such use and in conjunction with my brain, I shall enrich my soul, my living and be in consonance with all that surrounds me as much as I can. Does it ensure that I have reached a state where I know all? Absolutely not. An example, may help here. I am sitting near an open flame and I have come to know that it can burn my flesh. It behooves on me that I do not touch it. Does it mean I know all about fire and how to protect myself? Absolutely not. Tomorrow a volcano may erupt under my butt and fire will absorb me. Examples in this line of thought are numerous. Should the Japanese have built nuclear station next to oceanfront with dangers of earthquakes and Tsunamis? From what they knew they could but did they know all. The answer is no.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0080ff">Read page 12: ਭਈ ਪਰਾਪਤਿ ਮਾਨੁਖ ਦੇਹੁਰੀਆ ॥ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਮਿਲਣ ਕੀ ਇਹ ਤੇਰੀ ਬਰੀਆ ॥ ਅਵਰਿ ਕਾਜ ਤੇਰੈ ਕਿਤੈ ਨ ਕਾਮ ॥ ਮਿਲੁ ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਭਜੁ ਕੇਵਲ ਨਾਮ ॥੧॥ ਸਰੰਜਾਮਿ ਲਾਗੁ ਭਵਜਲ ਤਰਨ ਕੈ ॥ ਜਨਮੁ ਬ੍ਰਿਥਾ ਜਾਤ ਰੰਗਿ ਮਾਇਆ ਕੈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ਜਪੁ ਤਪੁ ਸੰਜਮੁ ਧਰਮੁ ਨ ਕਮਾਇਆ ॥ ਸੇਵਾ ਸਾਧ ਨ ਜਾਨਿਆ ਹਰਿ ਰਾਇਆ ॥ ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਮ ਨੀਚ ਕਰੰਮਾ ॥ ਸਰਣਿ ਪਰੇ ਕੀ ਰਾਖਹੁ ਸਰਮਾ ॥ – Here Guru Arjun bestows upon the individual seeker a directive to meet the Lord in this bodily frame. Guru Nanak gave a meaning to human life, his teachings gave a direction for the attainment of the ultimate goal of human birth. He went on to stress upon his contemporaries that human life is not aimless like that of other species but has a teleological destination [union with Akal Purakh]. </span></p><p><span style="color: #0080ff"></span></p><p><span style="color: #0080ff">It is not about knowing, but becoming. Knowledge is acquired through 5 senses and rationality, but where subject matter is “belief” such as Sikhism you rely upon intuition and revelation. Look what Leonardo da Vinci said –</span></p><p><span style="color: #0080ff">"....much of my creativity came from the fact that I looked for the hidden meaning behind every event in my life. I now look at every thing that happen to me and ask myself, if this event were a metaphor in the poem of my life and what it might mean ?.....I assume that behind every development is something else, something meaningful, a hidden gift, that if received with grace and used with reverence, invites me a step higher on my journey".</span></p><p></p><p>So as human, and Sikhism teaches us to be in cognizance of all that is around us, get to know more and live accordingly in consonance with all. This might give us a chance at blissful living and give us the confidence that we have done all we can. However, it will never either imply that we know all or we have done the best. That is practical living that our Guru ji has taught me. So a Sikh shall never stop learning or doing better with every passing day.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0080ff">Agree !</span></p><p><span style="color: #0080ff"></span></p><p><span style="color: #0080ff">Guru Nanak suggests a way of connecting, only when the individual is ready, but its there should the seeker question. </span></p><p><span style="color: #0080ff"></span></p><p><span style="color: #0080ff">ਜੈਸੇ ਜਲ ਮਹਿ ਕਮਲੁ ਨਿਰਾਲਮੁ ਮੁਰਗਾਈ ਨੈ ਸਾਣੇ ॥ ਸੁਰਤਿ ਸਬਦਿ ਭਵ ਸਾਗਰੁ ਤਰੀਐ ਨਾਨਕ ਨਾਮੁ ਵਖਾਣੇpage 938</span></p><p><span style="color: #0080ff"></span></p><p><span style="color: #0080ff">A Sikh has it all - should he want it, read page 1412 - jao tum kalen ka chao</span></p><p></p><p>Survival of the soul is irrelevant in all this. We do not control if it were to survive or continue as parts in many others through our interactions, influences, and so on. Creator has not given anyone any control in this regard. Depending upon how you define the soul much further can be conversed upon. For example if Parmatma (supreme soul) is universe complete consciousness and we are just a small tiny spec of it then when we link or de-link with it , it hardly is of any consequence or import to the Parmatma. Our egos inflated we may believe our soul is so important to Parmatma that it has to stay intact for ever, do we need to be that naive!</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0080ff">Survival of the soul is mega relevant! This is what sets Sikhism apart from other faiths and makes it distinctive and practical – God "is" - never gone anywhere, has always been here, and always will be [ad sach jugad sach] the secrets known as “philosopher’s stone” [read up on it – paras]. Where is Nanak now, where is Gobind now? Those energies are alive n kicking – within you n me waiting to be awakened, waiting to resurrect in spiritual [shabd] form and not in physical. Do you think sacrifices were made as courageous acts or keeping the moral compass aligned with belief and value? No, that little spec you speak of within the universal consciousness, that little bit of Nanak you speak about within part of your human constitution – that my dear is inviting you to dig deep into the wondrous ocean [SGGSJ] and realise the gift of eternity.</span></p><p></p><p>As far as I am concerned, our soul picks up specs of itself from universal consciousness (Parmatma) during our life times. During our life time and after death, we continuously replace specs of our souls in others as we absorb same way from others. In a way soul defined this way is a continuum in parts but not as a whole. You have embedded part of your soul in me, Guru Nanak Dev ji has done the same and so many others too including siblings and parents. So fascinating!</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0080ff">How this whole process works, I’ll try n explain [only if you permit as a means to an end] using all disciplines of art and science together with a strong sense of belief in the Guru’s word. Once upon a time we questioned the centre of the universe we don’t no more because we know we [individually] are the centre of the universe, on the premise that the universe is infinite and thus infinity stretches in all directions equally, therefore, wherever one is, is the centre. That is to say, micro macro – part of a whole, spec of stardust, that spec is you - [atmanparmatma] and the parmatma is waiting to be called upon SGGSJ. </span></p><p><span style="color: #0080ff"></span></p><p><span style="color: #0080ff">I hope I haven't said anything out of context. Subject of belief is pretty sensitive and if I have erred please forgive me. Otherwise, know that the little spec in you, that little spec which transcends time n space is "nam" waiting to be heard [anhad shabd] and seen [anubhav parkash].</span></p><p><span style="color: #0080ff"></span></p><p><span style="color: #0080ff">God bless you all</span></p><p><span style="color: #0080ff"></span></p><p><span style="color: #0080ff">Take care</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Original, post: 201493, member: 14400"] Ambarsaria said: [URL='http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/goto/post?id=201479#post-201479'][U]↑[/U][/URL] Original ji it is great to dialog with you. [COLOR=#0080ff]Thank you! Likewise, it’s a pleasure to be conversing with you all. I hope you’d allow me the liberty to rely upon some of the basic tenets of Sikhism [atman parmatma the separated soul from the supreme soul], purely as an exercise mode to move forward with what will in all eventualities is transcendental states of awareness.[/COLOR] Let me be clear about myself. I do not pretend that I have the eyes that can see all the grandeur of creation/God/creator. Same goes for my ears, nose, touch taste sensory attributes. It is too vast and we may be so ill equipped to see all that to an outside observer at another galaxy, we may look like foolish and silly two legged {censored}s. [COLOR=#0080ff]You do have the eyes; look at page 8 of SGGSJ [B]ਸੋਦਰ[liteal meaning door] ੁ ਤੇਰਾ ਕੇਹਾ ਸੋ ਘਰੁ ਕੇਹਾ ਜਿਤੁ ਬਹਿ ਸਰਬ ਸਮਾਲ [where art thou O Lord? Where is thy door, thy tower, where thou sittith?] ੇ[/B] Here Guru Nanak in the opening verses of Rehras yearns for Akal Purakh. [NOTE] Guru Nanak had already met Akal Purakh [mystical experience at Sultanpur Lodhi] and what he is trying to do here is make use of poetic form [like Jap Ji Sahib question n answer] to direct the separated soul for reunion. Guru Angand on page 139 uses similar style to redirect and explain methodically how all is possible. Guru Amardas on page 124 fully explains in no uncertain terms but very precisely the closure of the 9 doors of the body and the entrance through the 10 to the house of the Lord. Moreover, Guru Amardas Ji is really homing it in - [B]ਸਚੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਸਚਾ ਹਰਿ ਮੰਦਰੁ ਪ੍ਰਗਟੀ ਸਾਚੀ ਸੋਇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਮੰਦਰੁ ਏਹੁ ਸਰੀਰੁ ਹੈ ਗਿਆਨਿ ਰਤਨਿ ਪਰਗਟੁ ਹੋਇ ॥ ਮਨਮੁਖ ਮੂਲੁ ਨ ਜਾਣਨੀ ਮਾਣਸਿ ਹਰਿ ਮੰਦਰੁ ਨ ਹੋਇ page 1346.[/B] [B]You have it, we all have it – question is one of realisation.[/B][/COLOR] Conversely my take from Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji and our Guru ji is that I try to use my abilities and exploit the gifts that are bestowed upon me by the creator to use my senses for all I can. Through such use and in conjunction with my brain, I shall enrich my soul, my living and be in consonance with all that surrounds me as much as I can. Does it ensure that I have reached a state where I know all? Absolutely not. An example, may help here. I am sitting near an open flame and I have come to know that it can burn my flesh. It behooves on me that I do not touch it. Does it mean I know all about fire and how to protect myself? Absolutely not. Tomorrow a volcano may erupt under my butt and fire will absorb me. Examples in this line of thought are numerous. Should the Japanese have built nuclear station next to oceanfront with dangers of earthquakes and Tsunamis? From what they knew they could but did they know all. The answer is no. [COLOR=#0080ff]Read page 12: ਭਈ ਪਰਾਪਤਿ ਮਾਨੁਖ ਦੇਹੁਰੀਆ ॥ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਮਿਲਣ ਕੀ ਇਹ ਤੇਰੀ ਬਰੀਆ ॥ ਅਵਰਿ ਕਾਜ ਤੇਰੈ ਕਿਤੈ ਨ ਕਾਮ ॥ ਮਿਲੁ ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਭਜੁ ਕੇਵਲ ਨਾਮ ॥੧॥ ਸਰੰਜਾਮਿ ਲਾਗੁ ਭਵਜਲ ਤਰਨ ਕੈ ॥ ਜਨਮੁ ਬ੍ਰਿਥਾ ਜਾਤ ਰੰਗਿ ਮਾਇਆ ਕੈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ਜਪੁ ਤਪੁ ਸੰਜਮੁ ਧਰਮੁ ਨ ਕਮਾਇਆ ॥ ਸੇਵਾ ਸਾਧ ਨ ਜਾਨਿਆ ਹਰਿ ਰਾਇਆ ॥ ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਮ ਨੀਚ ਕਰੰਮਾ ॥ ਸਰਣਿ ਪਰੇ ਕੀ ਰਾਖਹੁ ਸਰਮਾ ॥ – Here Guru Arjun bestows upon the individual seeker a directive to meet the Lord in this bodily frame. Guru Nanak gave a meaning to human life, his teachings gave a direction for the attainment of the ultimate goal of human birth. He went on to stress upon his contemporaries that human life is not aimless like that of other species but has a teleological destination [union with Akal Purakh]. It is not about knowing, but becoming. Knowledge is acquired through 5 senses and rationality, but where subject matter is “belief” such as Sikhism you rely upon intuition and revelation. Look what Leonardo da Vinci said – "....much of my creativity came from the fact that I looked for the hidden meaning behind every event in my life. I now look at every thing that happen to me and ask myself, if this event were a metaphor in the poem of my life and what it might mean ?.....I assume that behind every development is something else, something meaningful, a hidden gift, that if received with grace and used with reverence, invites me a step higher on my journey".[/COLOR] So as human, and Sikhism teaches us to be in cognizance of all that is around us, get to know more and live accordingly in consonance with all. This might give us a chance at blissful living and give us the confidence that we have done all we can. However, it will never either imply that we know all or we have done the best. That is practical living that our Guru ji has taught me. So a Sikh shall never stop learning or doing better with every passing day. [COLOR=#0080ff]Agree ! Guru Nanak suggests a way of connecting, only when the individual is ready, but its there should the seeker question. ਜੈਸੇ ਜਲ ਮਹਿ ਕਮਲੁ ਨਿਰਾਲਮੁ ਮੁਰਗਾਈ ਨੈ ਸਾਣੇ ॥ ਸੁਰਤਿ ਸਬਦਿ ਭਵ ਸਾਗਰੁ ਤਰੀਐ ਨਾਨਕ ਨਾਮੁ ਵਖਾਣੇpage 938 A Sikh has it all - should he want it, read page 1412 - jao tum kalen ka chao[/COLOR] Survival of the soul is irrelevant in all this. We do not control if it were to survive or continue as parts in many others through our interactions, influences, and so on. Creator has not given anyone any control in this regard. Depending upon how you define the soul much further can be conversed upon. For example if Parmatma (supreme soul) is universe complete consciousness and we are just a small tiny spec of it then when we link or de-link with it , it hardly is of any consequence or import to the Parmatma. Our egos inflated we may believe our soul is so important to Parmatma that it has to stay intact for ever, do we need to be that naive! [COLOR=#0080ff]Survival of the soul is mega relevant! This is what sets Sikhism apart from other faiths and makes it distinctive and practical – God "is" - never gone anywhere, has always been here, and always will be [ad sach jugad sach] the secrets known as “philosopher’s stone” [read up on it – paras]. Where is Nanak now, where is Gobind now? Those energies are alive n kicking – within you n me waiting to be awakened, waiting to resurrect in spiritual [shabd] form and not in physical. Do you think sacrifices were made as courageous acts or keeping the moral compass aligned with belief and value? No, that little spec you speak of within the universal consciousness, that little bit of Nanak you speak about within part of your human constitution – that my dear is inviting you to dig deep into the wondrous ocean [SGGSJ] and realise the gift of eternity.[/COLOR] As far as I am concerned, our soul picks up specs of itself from universal consciousness (Parmatma) during our life times. During our life time and after death, we continuously replace specs of our souls in others as we absorb same way from others. In a way soul defined this way is a continuum in parts but not as a whole. You have embedded part of your soul in me, Guru Nanak Dev ji has done the same and so many others too including siblings and parents. So fascinating! [COLOR=#0080ff]How this whole process works, I’ll try n explain [only if you permit as a means to an end] using all disciplines of art and science together with a strong sense of belief in the Guru’s word. Once upon a time we questioned the centre of the universe we don’t no more because we know we [individually] are the centre of the universe, on the premise that the universe is infinite and thus infinity stretches in all directions equally, therefore, wherever one is, is the centre. That is to say, micro macro – part of a whole, spec of stardust, that spec is you - [atmanparmatma] and the parmatma is waiting to be called upon SGGSJ. I hope I haven't said anything out of context. Subject of belief is pretty sensitive and if I have erred please forgive me. Otherwise, know that the little spec in you, that little spec which transcends time n space is "nam" waiting to be heard [anhad shabd] and seen [anubhav parkash]. God bless you all Take care[/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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