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<blockquote data-quote="gur_meet" data-source="post: 121877" data-attributes="member: 10945"><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The references given above by the writer have many misinterpretations. Just check the original gurbani and prevalent translations to see this.</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><?"urn:<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite9" alt=":eek:" title="Eek! :eek:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":eek:" />ffice<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite9" alt=":eek:" title="Eek! :eek:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":eek:" />ffice" /></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">For example .</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">It is written above - </span></span><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">”It is the teachings of Vedas, which has created the concepts of sin and virtue, hell and heaven, and karma and </span></span></em><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">transmigration</span></span></em></strong><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">. One reaps the reward in the next life for the deeds performed in this life--goes to hell or heaven according to the deeds. The Vedas have also created the fallacy of inequality of caste and gender for the world.” AGGS, M 2, p. 1243</span></span></em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">."</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Here are the words of Guruji :</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਲੋਕ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮ</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ਃ </span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੨</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">salok ma 2 ||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Shalok, Second Mehl:</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਥਾ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਹਾਣੀ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬੇਦਂ</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Cambria Math'"></span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">*</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ੀ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਆਣੀ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪਾਪੁ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪੁੰਨੁ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬੀਚਾਰੁ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">kathhaa kehaanee baedhanaee aanee paap punn beechaar ||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The Vedas bring forth stories and legends, and thoughts of vice and virtue.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦੇ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦੇ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਲੈਣਾ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਲੈ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਲੈ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦੇਣਾ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਰਕਿ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੁਰਗਿ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਅਵਤਾਰ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">dhae dhae lainaa lai lai dhaenaa narak surag avathaar ||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">What is gi</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ven, they receive, and what is received, they give. They are reincarnated in heaven and hell.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਉਤਮ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਧਿਮ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਾਤੀਂ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਿਨਸੀ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਰਮਿ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਵੈ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੰਸਾਰੁ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">outham madhhim jaatheen jinasee bharam bhavai sansaar ||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">High and low, social class and status - the world wanders lost in </span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">superstition.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬਾਣੀ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਤਤੁ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵਖਾਣੀ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗਿਆਨ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਧਿਆਨ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵਿਚਿ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਆਈ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">anmrith baanee thath vakhaanee giaan dhhiaan vich aaee ||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The Ambrosial Word of Gurbani proclaims the essence of reality. Spiritual wisdom and meditation are contained within it.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਆਖੀ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਾਤੀ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੁਰਤਂ</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Cambria Math'"></span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">*</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ੀ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਰਮਿ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਧਿਆਈ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">guramukh aakhee guramukh jaathee surathanaee karam dhhiaaee ||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The Gurmukhs chant it, and the Gurmukhs realize it. Intuitively aware, they meditate on it.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹੁਕਮੁ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਾਜਿ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹੁਕਮੈ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵਿਚਿ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰਖੈ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹੁਕਮੈ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਅੰਦਰਿ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵੇਖੈ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">hukam saaj hukamai vich rakhai</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> hukamai andhar vaekhai ||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">By the Hukam of His Command, He formed the Universe, and in His Hukam, He keeps it. By His Hukam, He keeps it under His Gaze.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਾਨਕ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਅਗਹੁ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹਉਮੈ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਤੁਟੈ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਤਾਂ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੋ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਲਿਖੀਐ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਲੇਖੈ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੧॥</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">naanak agahu houmai thuttai thaan ko likheeai laekhai ||1||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">O</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> Nanak, if the mortal shatters his ego before he departs, as it is pre-ordained, then he is approved. ||1||</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The guru's words here convey a different meaning.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Another example are this reference :</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">“You won’t be born again, take some measures to obtain salvation right now. Praising the Merciful One will take you across the ocean of worldly temptations,” says Nanak. AGGS, M 9, p. 220."</span></span></em></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Here are Gurbani words :</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਾਨਸ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦੇਹ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬਹੁਰਿ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਹ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪਾਵੈ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਛੂ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਉਪਾਉ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮੁਕਤਿ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਾ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਰੁ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰੇ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">maanas dhaeh bahur neh paavai kashhoo oupaao mu</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">kath kaa kar rae ||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">You shall not obtain this human body again; make the effort - try to achieve liberation! </span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਾਨਕ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਹਤ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗਾਇ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਰੁਨਾ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮੈ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਵ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਾਗਰ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੈ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪਾਰਿ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਉਤਰੁ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰੇ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੨॥੯॥੨੫੧॥</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">naanak kehath gaae karunaa mai bhav saagar kai paar outhar rae ||2||9||251||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Says Nanak, s</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ing of the Lord of compassion, and cross over the terrifying world-ocean. ||2||9||251||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The meaning may here be reference to not getting human body again so to make best use of the opportunity.</span></span></strong></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">On the same page Guru ji says :</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦੁਰਲਭ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦੇਹ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪਾਇ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਾਨਸ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੀ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬਿਰਥਾ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਨਮੁ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਿਰਾਵੈ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>dhuralabh dhaeh</strong> paae maanas kee birathhaa janam siraavai ||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Having obtained this <strong>human </strong></span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>body, so very difficult to obtain</strong>, it is now being uselessly wasted. </span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">These words were ignored by the writer as these give a different meaning. </span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Here are some othere quotes from SGGSji.</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"></span></p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਗਤਾਂ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਰਨਿ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪਰੁ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹਾਂ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></p></span></p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">bhagathaan saran par haan ||</span></span></p></span></p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">Taking to the Sanctuary of His devotees,</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਨਮਿ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਦੇ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਰੁ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹਾਂ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></p></span></p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">janam n kadhae mar haan ||</span></span></p></span></p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">he is no longer subject to birth and death. </span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> SGGS 410</span></span></p> </p><p></span></p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬਿਰਥਾ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਨਮੁ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗਵਾਇਆ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਰਿ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੰਮੈ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵਾਰੋ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵਾਰ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੧॥</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p></span></p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">birathhaa janam gavaaeiaa mar janmai vaaro vaar ||1||</span></span></p></span></p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">They lose their l</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ives uselessly; they die, only to be re-born, over and over again. ||1||</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">SGGS 86</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੇਵਿਐ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੂਤਕੁ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਾਇ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></p></span></p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">sathigur saeviai soothak jaae ||</span></span></p></span></p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">Serving the True Guru, pollution is eradicated,</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਰੈ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਨਮੈ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਾਲੁ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਖਾਇ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੫</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></p></span></p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">marai n janamai kaal n khaae ||5||</span></span></p></span></p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">and then, one does not suffer death and rebirth, or get devoured by death. </span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">SGGS 229</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਾਇਆ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮੋਹੁ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਖੁਆਇਅਨੁ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਰਿ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੰਮੈ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵਾਰੋ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵਾਰਾ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></p></span></p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">maaeiaa mohu khuaaeian mar janmai vaaro vaaraa ||</span></span></p></span></p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">The love of Maya has ruined the world; people die, to be re-born, over and over again.</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਰਿ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੰਮੈ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵਾਰੋ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵਾਰਾ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵਧਹਿ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬਿਕਾਰਾ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗਿਆਨ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵਿਹੂਣੀ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮੂਠੀ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"></span></span></p></span></p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">mar janmai vaaro vaaraa vadhhehi bikaaraa giaan vihoonee moothee ||</span></span></p></span></p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">People die to be re-born, over and over again, while their sins increase; without spiritual wisdom, they are deluded.</span></span> </p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">SGGS 583</span></span></p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The prevailing interpretation is that having obtained this human body in this life it should be better utilised as only in an human body liberation can be obtained. Next life may or may not be human . </span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px">This article is to be checked further to see whether what is being proved is actually correct. I seek opinion of others.</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"></o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span> </p><p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="gur_meet, post: 121877, member: 10945"] [FONT=Calibri]<o:p>[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The references given above by the writer have many misinterpretations. Just check the original gurbani and prevalent translations to see this.[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<?"urn::office:office" />[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]For example .[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]It is written above - [/FONT][/COLOR][I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]”It is the teachings of Vedas, which has created the concepts of sin and virtue, hell and heaven, and karma and [/FONT][/COLOR][/I][B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]transmigration[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B][I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]. One reaps the reward in the next life for the deeds performed in this life--goes to hell or heaven according to the deeds. The Vedas have also created the fallacy of inequality of caste and gender for the world.” AGGS, M 2, p. 1243[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]."[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Here are the words of Guruji :[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਸਲੋਕ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਮ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]ਃ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]੨[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] salok ma 2 || Shalok, Second Mehl:[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਕਥਾ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਕਹਾਣੀ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਬੇਦਂ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Cambria Math][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]*[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ੀ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਆਣੀ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਪਾਪੁ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਪੁੰਨੁ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਬੀਚਾਰੁ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] kathhaa kehaanee baedhanaee aanee paap punn beechaar || The Vedas bring forth stories and legends, and thoughts of vice and virtue.[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਦੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਦੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਲੈਣਾ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਲੈ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਲੈ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਦੇਣਾ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਨਰਕਿ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਸੁਰਗਿ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਅਵਤਾਰ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] dhae dhae lainaa lai lai dhaenaa narak surag avathaar || What is gi[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]ven, they receive, and what is received, they give. They are reincarnated in heaven and hell.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਉਤਮ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਮਧਿਮ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਜਾਤੀਂ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਜਿਨਸੀ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਭਰਮਿ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਭਵੈ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਸੰਸਾਰੁ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] outham madhhim jaatheen jinasee bharam bhavai sansaar || High and low, social class and status - the world wanders lost in [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]superstition.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਬਾਣੀ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਤਤੁ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਵਖਾਣੀ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਗਿਆਨ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਧਿਆਨ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਵਿਚਿ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਆਈ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] anmrith baanee thath vakhaanee giaan dhhiaan vich aaee || The Ambrosial Word of Gurbani proclaims the essence of reality. Spiritual wisdom and meditation are contained within it.[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਆਖੀ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਜਾਤੀ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਸੁਰਤਂ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Cambria Math][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]*[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ੀ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਕਰਮਿ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਧਿਆਈ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] guramukh aakhee guramukh jaathee surathanaee karam dhhiaaee || The Gurmukhs chant it, and the Gurmukhs realize it. Intuitively aware, they meditate on it.[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਹੁਕਮੁ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਸਾਜਿ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਹੁਕਮੈ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਵਿਚਿ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਰਖੈ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਹੁਕਮੈ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਅੰਦਰਿ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਵੇਖੈ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] hukam saaj hukamai vich rakhai[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] hukamai andhar vaekhai || By the Hukam of His Command, He formed the Universe, and in His Hukam, He keeps it. By His Hukam, He keeps it under His Gaze.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਨਾਨਕ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਅਗਹੁ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਹਉਮੈ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਤੁਟੈ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਤਾਂ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਕੋ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਲਿਖੀਐ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਲੇਖੈ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]੧॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] naanak agahu houmai thuttai thaan ko likheeai laekhai ||1|| O[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] Nanak, if the mortal shatters his ego before he departs, as it is pre-ordained, then he is approved. ||1||[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The guru's words here convey a different meaning.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Another example are this reference :[/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]“You won’t be born again, take some measures to obtain salvation right now. Praising the Merciful One will take you across the ocean of worldly temptations,” says Nanak. AGGS, M 9, p. 220."[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Here are Gurbani words :[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਮਾਨਸ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਦੇਹ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਬਹੁਰਿ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਨਹ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਪਾਵੈ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਕਛੂ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਉਪਾਉ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਮੁਕਤਿ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਕਾ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਕਰੁ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਰੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] maanas dhaeh bahur neh paavai kashhoo oupaao mu[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]kath kaa kar rae || You shall not obtain this human body again; make the effort - try to achieve liberation! [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਨਾਨਕ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਕਹਤ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਗਾਇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਕਰੁਨਾ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਮੈ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਭਵ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਸਾਗਰ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਕੈ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਪਾਰਿ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਉਤਰੁ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਰੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]੨॥੯॥੨੫੧॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] naanak kehath gaae karunaa mai bhav saagar kai paar outhar rae ||2||9||251|| Says Nanak, s[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]ing of the Lord of compassion, and cross over the terrifying world-ocean. ||2||9||251||[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The meaning may here be reference to not getting human body again so to make best use of the opportunity.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]On the same page Guru ji says :[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਦੁਰਲਭ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਦੇਹ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਪਾਇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਮਾਨਸ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਕੀ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਬਿਰਥਾ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਜਨਮੁ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਸਿਰਾਵੈ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [B]dhuralabh dhaeh[/B] paae maanas kee birathhaa janam siraavai || Having obtained this [B]human [/B][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][B]body, so very difficult to obtain[/B], it is now being uselessly wasted. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]These words were ignored by the writer as these give a different meaning. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Here are some othere quotes from SGGSji.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [CENTER][CENTER][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਭਗਤਾਂ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਸਰਨਿ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਪਰੁ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਹਾਂ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri]bhagathaan saran par haan || Taking to the Sanctuary of His devotees,[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][/COLOR][/CENTER] [CENTER][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਜਨਮਿ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਨ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਕਦੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਮਰੁ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਹਾਂ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri]janam n kadhae mar haan || he is no longer subject to birth and death. [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][/COLOR][/CENTER] [CENTER][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] SGGS 410[/FONT][/COLOR][/CENTER][/CENTER] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [CENTER][CENTER][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਬਿਰਥਾ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਜਨਮੁ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਗਵਾਇਆ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਮਰਿ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਜੰਮੈ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਵਾਰੋ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਵਾਰ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]੧॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] birathhaa janam gavaaeiaa mar janmai vaaro vaar ||1|| They lose their l[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]ives uselessly; they die, only to be re-born, over and over again. ||1||[/FONT][/COLOR][/CENTER] [CENTER][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/CENTER] [CENTER][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]SGGS 86[/FONT][/COLOR][/CENTER] [CENTER][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/CENTER] [CENTER][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/CENTER] [CENTER][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਸੇਵਿਐ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਸੂਤਕੁ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਜਾਇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri]sathigur saeviai soothak jaae || Serving the True Guru, pollution is eradicated,[/FONT][/COLOR][/CENTER] [CENTER][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਮਰੈ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਨ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਜਨਮੈ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਕਾਲੁ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਨ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਖਾਇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]੫[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri]marai n janamai kaal n khaae ||5|| and then, one does not suffer death and rebirth, or get devoured by death. [/FONT][/COLOR][/CENTER] [CENTER][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri]SGGS 229[/FONT][/COLOR][/CENTER] [CENTER][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਮਾਇਆ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਮੋਹੁ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਖੁਆਇਅਨੁ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਮਰਿ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਜੰਮੈ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਵਾਰੋ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਵਾਰਾ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri]maaeiaa mohu khuaaeian mar janmai vaaro vaaraa || The love of Maya has ruined the world; people die, to be re-born, over and over again.[/FONT][/COLOR][/CENTER] [CENTER][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਮਰਿ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਜੰਮੈ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਵਾਰੋ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਵਾਰਾ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਵਧਹਿ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਬਿਕਾਰਾ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਗਿਆਨ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਵਿਹੂਣੀ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਮੂਠੀ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] mar janmai vaaro vaaraa vadhhehi bikaaraa giaan vihoonee moothee || People die to be re-born, over and over again, while their sins increase; without spiritual wisdom, they are deluded.[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][/COLOR][/CENTER] [CENTER][COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri]SGGS 583[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][/COLOR][/CENTER][/CENTER] [COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]The prevailing interpretation is that having obtained this human body in this life it should be better utilised as only in an human body liberation can be obtained. Next life may or may not be human . [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]This article is to be checked further to see whether what is being proved is actually correct. I seek opinion of others.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] <o:p>[SIZE=3] [/SIZE]</o:p> </o:p>[/FONT] [CENTER] [/CENTER] [/QUOTE]
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