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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="anders" data-source="post: 1048" data-attributes="member: 238"><p>ThinkingOne,</p><p></p><p>I disagree with most everything you wrote in your first post. I have a problem with your Sayar-ul-okul quote, as you make no effort to make a consistent transcription. Your using the non-Arabic letters “p” and “o” make me doubt the whole thing, as well as the strange “bl-“ words. No “Arabic” words seem to correspond to your English version’s “moon” (should be qamar), “sun” (shams), “lamb” (hamal) etc.</p><p></p><p>Where do you find a Shiv emblem in the Ka’ba? Even if there is something resembling a trident somewhere, it proves nothing. That is also a symbol of, for example, the Greek sea god Neptun. Or is it another case of Mr. Oak’s interpreting a crescent as a trident, like when he, as the only person in the world, tries to make the Taj Mahal a Hindu temple, not a Muslim mausoleum? Mr. Oak also tries to prove that the rather typical Muslim tower Qutb Minar in Delhi is a Hindu building.</p><p></p><p>Your theory that “Allah” is Sanskrit is just nuts. Allah derives from Ilah, with a preceding definite article. It cannot be equated to Sanskrit words beginning with an “a”. It is misleading, to use a kind word, to say that allah is a Sanskrit word. The mother word is allaa, which clearly lacks the final h.</p><p></p><p>It is no wonder that religious texts from different religions have similar ideas. Think of the “Golden rule”, for example. You will find equivalents in most religions. That a higher power is “one and that He is beyond man's sensory experience.” is central to more religions than I care to count. Think of the Mul mantra for example.</p><p></p><p>You write, “The Hindus have a pantheon of 33 gods. People in Asia Minor too worshipped 33 gods before the spread of Islam”. In the Vedas and other central Hindu texts, you can find any number of number of gods. Why pick just 33, and where did you find that number? More credible quotes from the Internet are “Preeminent among the many gods of Hinduism (over 1000, so far) is the Trimurti, or trinity.”, “In Hinduism, polytheism and idolatry are extreme. The number of gods worshipped is said to be more than 300,000,000.”, “There is an immense number of gods and goddesses in the Hindu pantheon--330 million by one estimate.”, “any number of gods”, “There are an immense number of gods (thousands),” and “"Acceptance of the Vedas with reverence; recognition of the fact that the means or ways to salvation are diverse; and the realization of the truth that the number of gods to be worshiped is large, that indeed is the distinguishing feature of the Hindu religion." B.G. Tilak's definition of what makes one a basic Hindu, as quoted by India's Supreme Court.”</p><p></p><p>You write “Since Eed means worship and Griha means ‘house’, the Islamic word Idgah signifies a ‘House of worship’ which is the exact Sanskrit connotation of the term.“ Idgah is an Indian word, in which ‘`id’ is unquestionably borrowed from Arabic. You won’t find that word in Sanskrit; I don’t find any Sanskrit word for worship even remotely close to eed/id. Moreover, the -gah is not from Sanskrit griha, but from the Persian gah, meaning time, place.</p><p></p><p>These are only the examples which first came to my mind. No doubt I would have found more absurdities if it hadn’t been 2 a.m. now.</p><p></p><p>truth_seeker,</p><p></p><p>Just try to find one single credible reference for your claim that Vedic religion existed in Arabia 570 AD.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="anders, post: 1048, member: 238"] ThinkingOne, I disagree with most everything you wrote in your first post. I have a problem with your Sayar-ul-okul quote, as you make no effort to make a consistent transcription. Your using the non-Arabic letters “p” and “o” make me doubt the whole thing, as well as the strange “bl-“ words. No “Arabic” words seem to correspond to your English version’s “moon” (should be qamar), “sun” (shams), “lamb” (hamal) etc. Where do you find a Shiv emblem in the Ka’ba? Even if there is something resembling a trident somewhere, it proves nothing. That is also a symbol of, for example, the Greek sea god Neptun. Or is it another case of Mr. Oak’s interpreting a crescent as a trident, like when he, as the only person in the world, tries to make the Taj Mahal a Hindu temple, not a Muslim mausoleum? Mr. Oak also tries to prove that the rather typical Muslim tower Qutb Minar in Delhi is a Hindu building. Your theory that “Allah” is Sanskrit is just nuts. Allah derives from Ilah, with a preceding definite article. It cannot be equated to Sanskrit words beginning with an “a”. It is misleading, to use a kind word, to say that allah is a Sanskrit word. The mother word is allaa, which clearly lacks the final h. It is no wonder that religious texts from different religions have similar ideas. Think of the “Golden rule”, for example. You will find equivalents in most religions. That a higher power is “one and that He is beyond man's sensory experience.” is central to more religions than I care to count. Think of the Mul mantra for example. You write, “The Hindus have a pantheon of 33 gods. People in Asia Minor too worshipped 33 gods before the spread of Islam”. In the Vedas and other central Hindu texts, you can find any number of number of gods. Why pick just 33, and where did you find that number? More credible quotes from the Internet are “Preeminent among the many gods of Hinduism (over 1000, so far) is the Trimurti, or trinity.”, “In Hinduism, polytheism and idolatry are extreme. The number of gods worshipped is said to be more than 300,000,000.”, “There is an immense number of gods and goddesses in the Hindu pantheon--330 million by one estimate.”, “any number of gods”, “There are an immense number of gods (thousands),” and “"Acceptance of the Vedas with reverence; recognition of the fact that the means or ways to salvation are diverse; and the realization of the truth that the number of gods to be worshiped is large, that indeed is the distinguishing feature of the Hindu religion." B.G. Tilak's definition of what makes one a basic Hindu, as quoted by India's Supreme Court.” You write “Since Eed means worship and Griha means ‘house’, the Islamic word Idgah signifies a ‘House of worship’ which is the exact Sanskrit connotation of the term.“ Idgah is an Indian word, in which ‘`id’ is unquestionably borrowed from Arabic. You won’t find that word in Sanskrit; I don’t find any Sanskrit word for worship even remotely close to eed/id. Moreover, the -gah is not from Sanskrit griha, but from the Persian gah, meaning time, place. These are only the examples which first came to my mind. No doubt I would have found more absurdities if it hadn’t been 2 a.m. now. truth_seeker, Just try to find one single credible reference for your claim that Vedic religion existed in Arabia 570 AD. [/QUOTE]
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