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<blockquote data-quote="Randip Singh" data-source="post: 97106" data-attributes="member: 1323"><p>Hi Interested, unfortunately there are many many sects in Sikhism. In terms of Media bandwith on the internet, the AKJ or Akhand Kirtani Jatha, which was shaped by the rather uncompromising figure of Bhai Randhit Singh seems to have a disproportiantely large amount of control of web sites, and they SPIN their version of Sikhism at every opporunity, without compromise. When anyone challenges that (Niddar Singh an example), the media machine swings into motion and the the person is vilified.</p><p></p><p>Let me give you an example of their misinformation:</p><p></p><p>Here is Sikhism 101, another one of their arms. Here is an essay on the emotive topic of meat:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.sikhism101.com/node/77" target="_blank">What is the attitude of Sikh Faith towards eating animals (i.e. meat)? | Sikhism101.com | UniversalFaith.net</a></p><p></p><p>Now let me take 3 sections from their Historical Sources in this essay (as I love to read Sikh history books).</p><p></p><p>They quote Dabistan e Mazhib written by Mohsin Fani</p><p></p><p>Mohsin Fani (1615-70), the well known historian and a contemporary of Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib, rites in his work DABISTAN-E-MAZAHIB as follows:</p><p><cite>"Having prohibited his disciples to drink wine and eat pork, he (Nanak) himself abstained from eating flesh and ordered not to hurt any living being. After him this precept was neglected by his followers; but Arjun Mal, one of the substitutes of his Faith, renewed the prohibition to eat flesh and said: This has not been approved by Nanak."</p><p></cite> </p><p></p><p>Now if I didn't read books I would believe this. Here is the same quote but from a a verifiable source:</p><p></p><p> Grewal, J.S. <em>Sikh History from Persian Sources: Translations of Major Texts</em> ISBN-13 978-8185229171 <em></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Many person became his disciples. Nanak believed in the Oneness of God and in the way that it is asserted in Muhammadan theology. He also believed in transmigration of souls. Holding wine and pork to be unlawful, he had [himself] abandoned eating meat. He decreed avoidance of causing harm to animals. It was after his time that meat-eating spread amongst his followers. Arjan Mal, who was on of his lineal succesors, found this to be evil. He prohibited people from eating meat, saying “This is not in accordance with Nanak’s wishes”. <strong>Later, Hargobind, son of Arjan Mal, ate meat and took to hunting. Most of their [the Gurus] followers adopted his practice</strong>.</em></p><p></p><p>Now look at the MISquote and wanton disregard for the TRUTH! I can supply the exact page too with page numbers.</p><p></p><p>Here is another example:</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">ਅਕ ਧਤੂਰਾ ਖਾਧਿਆਂ ਕੁਹਿ ਕੁਹਿ ਖਲ ਉਖਲਿ ਵਿਣਸੀ ॥</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">ਮਾਸੁ ਖਾਨਿ ਗਲ ਵਢਿ ਕੈ ਹਾਲੁ ਤਿਨਾੜਾ ਕਉਣੁ ਹੋਵਸੀ ॥</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><cite>"I was eating 'Ak' and 'Dhatura' plants (weed plants found in India) for whole of my life, to which no body else liked to eat. And even then I am being brutally killed and my skin being ripped, What will happen to those who cut my throat and eat my meat?</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">(Vaar 25, Pauri 7)</cite></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 9px">Elsewhere, Bhai Gurdaas Ji says:</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 9px">ਕੁਹੈ ਕਸਾਈ ਬਕਰੀ ਲਾਇ ਲੂਣ ਸੀਖ ਮਾਸੁ ਪਰੋਆ ॥</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">ਹਸਿ ਹਸਿ ਬੋਲੇ ਕੁਹੀਂਦੀ ਖਾਧੇ ਅਕਿ ਹਾਲੁ ਇਹੁ ਹੋਆ॥</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">ਮਾਸ ਖਾਨਿ ਗਿਲ ਛੁਰੀ ਦੇ ਹਾਲੁ ਤਿਨਾੜਾ ਕਉਣੁ ਅਲੋਆ ॥</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><cite>"Goat is being killed, cut into pieces, and salt being spread on the pieces. While being killed goat says this all happened to me while I was just eating 'Ak' plant (weed found in India's desert fields). What will be the fate of those in the Court of the Lord who cut my throat with a knife and eat my meat?"</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">(Vaar 37, Pauri 21)</cite></span> </p><p></p><p></p><p>That is fine, but do not lie. Here is another couplet from Varan Bhai Gurdas:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.searchgurbani.com/main.php?book=bhai_gurdas_vaaran&action=pauripage&pauri=13&vaar=23" target="_blank">Vaaran Bhai Gurdas :Vaar23Pauri13:SearchGurbani.com</a></p><p></p><p><table align="center" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" width="94%"><tbody><tr height="35"><td class="subhead1" align="center" valign="top"><span style="font-size: 10px">Vaar 23 Pauri 13 Lesson from Goat</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span> </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffecec"><td class="ggs"><span style="font-size: 10px">ਹਸਤਿ ਅਖਾਜੁ ਗੁਮਾਨ ਕਰਿ ਸੀਹੁ ਸਤਾਣਾ ਕੋਇ ਨ ਖਾਈ । </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffecec"><td class="subhead"><span style="font-size: 10px">hasati akhaaju gumaan kari seehu sataanaa koi n khaaee|</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffecec"><td class="shlok"><span style="font-size: 10px">The proud elephant is inedible and none eats the mighty lion.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></td></tr><tr><td class="rmenuheader"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: red">Line 1 </span></span> </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffec"><td class="ggs"><span style="font-size: 10px">ਹੋਇ ਨਿਮਾਣੀ ਬਕਰੀ ਦੀਨ ਦੁਨੀ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਪਾਈ । </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffec"><td class="subhead"><span style="font-size: 10px">hoi nimaanee bakaree deen dunee vadiaaee paaee|</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffec"><td class="shlok"><span style="font-size: 10px">Goat is humble and hence it is respected everywhere.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></td></tr><tr><td class="rmenuheader"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: red">Line 2 </span></span> </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffecec"><td class="ggs"><span style="font-size: 10px">ਮਰਣੈ ਪਰਣੈ ਮੰਨੀਐ ਜਗਿ ਭੋਗਿ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ ਕਰਾਈ । </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffecec"><td class="subhead"><span style="font-size: 10px">maranai paranai manneeai jagi bhogi paravaanu karaaee|</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffecec"><td class="shlok"><span style="font-size: 10px">On occasions of death, joy, marriage, yajna, etc only its meat dis accepted.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></td></tr><tr><td class="rmenuheader"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: red">Line 3 </span></span> </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffec"><td class="ggs"><span style="font-size: 10px">ਮਾਸੁ ਪਵਿਤ੍ਰ ਗ੍ਰਿਹਸਤ ਨੋ ਆਂਦਹੁ ਤਾਰ ਵੀਚਾਰਿ ਵਜਾਈ । </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffec"><td class="subhead"><span style="font-size: 10px">maasu pavitr grihasat no aandahu taar veechaari vajaaee|</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffec"><td class="shlok"><span style="font-size: 10px">Among the householders its meat is acknowledged as sacred and with its gut stringed instruments are made.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></td></tr><tr><td class="rmenuheader"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: red">Line 4 </span></span> </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffecec"><td class="ggs"><span style="font-size: 10px">ਚਮੜੇ ਦੀਆਂ ਕਰਿ ਜੁਤੀਆ ਸਾਧੂ ਚਰਣ ਸਰਣਿ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਈ । </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffecec"><td class="subhead"><span style="font-size: 10px">chamarhay deeaan kari juteeaa saadhoo charan sarani|iv|aaee|</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffecec"><td class="shlok"><span style="font-size: 10px">From its leather the shoes are made to be used by the saints merged in their meditation upon the Lord.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></td></tr><tr><td class="rmenuheader"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: red">Line 5 </span></span> </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffec"><td class="ggs"><span style="font-size: 10px">ਤੂਰ ਪਖਾਵਜ ਮੜੀਦੇ ਕੀਰਤਨੁ ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਸੁਖਦਾਈ । </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffec"><td class="subhead"><span style="font-size: 10px">toor pakhaavaj marheeday keeratanu saadhasangati sukhadaaee|</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffec"><td class="shlok"><span style="font-size: 10px">Drums are mounted by its skin and then in the holy congregation the delight-giving kirtan, eulogy of the Lord, is sung.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></td></tr><tr><td class="rmenuheader"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: red">Line 6 </span></span> </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffecec"><td class="ggs"><span style="font-size: 10px">ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸਰਣਾਈ ॥੧੩॥ </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffecec"><td class="subhead"><span style="font-size: 10px">saadhasangati satigur saranaaee ॥13॥</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffecec"><td class="shlok"><span style="font-size: 10px">In fact, going to the holy congregation is the same as going to the shelter of the true Guru.</span></td></tr></tbody></table></p><p></p><p>My point is these people are LIARS and are manipulaters. They will stoop so low as to disregard Sikh ideals of Truth and Justice, just to push their own point of view. This is what they are doing with Niddar Singh.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What book is this? Are these people Nihangs or AKJer's dressed as Nihangs?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I keep various weapons in the house, and I treat them with great respect. I don't worship them (although to the outsider it may seem so), the reason why was because these weapons have been in our family for generations. They are the reason why Randip Singh is on this planet. The Sikh's of old treated their weapons with great care. They were Guerilla's in effect and had to, and that is why they treated them like that. They gave their weapons names, and even characteristics. That is why they are their.</p><p></p><p>The Guru's, Bandha Bahadhur and the Misls fought many battle's. Thier lives dependended on these weapons. Niddar S=ingh is saying nothing different from this. Like I said read some more books.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>The Guru's spoke but did we listen? He spoke against caste yet caste is stronger than ever in Punajb today amongst Sikhs!</p><p></p><p>The Guru's spoke about the place of women, banned Sati and female infanticide, yet it is practiced more in Punab amongst Sikhs than any other groups.</p><p></p><p>Dr IJ Singh and Kohli talk in their books about the strong Vashnavite influences that taint Sikhism today.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What are real Nihangs? What are your definitions? What the manipulative AKJ sites tell you? or teh followers of Yogi Bhajan? Maybe the Vashnavite orientatetd Guru Nanak Nishkam Sewak Jatha?</p><p></p><p>We need to get back to Sikhi, but lets face up to our history.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Indeed. In order to pursue Truth immerse yourself in Sikh history.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Randip Singh, post: 97106, member: 1323"] Hi Interested, unfortunately there are many many sects in Sikhism. In terms of Media bandwith on the internet, the AKJ or Akhand Kirtani Jatha, which was shaped by the rather uncompromising figure of Bhai Randhit Singh seems to have a disproportiantely large amount of control of web sites, and they SPIN their version of Sikhism at every opporunity, without compromise. When anyone challenges that (Niddar Singh an example), the media machine swings into motion and the the person is vilified. Let me give you an example of their misinformation: Here is Sikhism 101, another one of their arms. Here is an essay on the emotive topic of meat: [url=http://www.sikhism101.com/node/77]What is the attitude of Sikh Faith towards eating animals (i.e. meat)? | Sikhism101.com | UniversalFaith.net[/url] Now let me take 3 sections from their Historical Sources in this essay (as I love to read Sikh history books). They quote Dabistan e Mazhib written by Mohsin Fani Mohsin Fani (1615-70), the well known historian and a contemporary of Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib, rites in his work DABISTAN-E-MAZAHIB as follows: <cite>"Having prohibited his disciples to drink wine and eat pork, he (Nanak) himself abstained from eating flesh and ordered not to hurt any living being. After him this precept was neglected by his followers; but Arjun Mal, one of the substitutes of his Faith, renewed the prohibition to eat flesh and said: This has not been approved by Nanak." </cite> Now if I didn't read books I would believe this. Here is the same quote but from a a verifiable source: Grewal, J.S. [I]Sikh History from Persian Sources: Translations of Major Texts[/I] ISBN-13 978-8185229171 [I] Many person became his disciples. Nanak believed in the Oneness of God and in the way that it is asserted in Muhammadan theology. He also believed in transmigration of souls. Holding wine and pork to be unlawful, he had [himself] abandoned eating meat. He decreed avoidance of causing harm to animals. It was after his time that meat-eating spread amongst his followers. Arjan Mal, who was on of his lineal succesors, found this to be evil. He prohibited people from eating meat, saying “This is not in accordance with Nanak’s wishes”. [B]Later, Hargobind, son of Arjan Mal, ate meat and took to hunting. Most of their [the Gurus] followers adopted his practice[/B].[/I] Now look at the MISquote and wanton disregard for the TRUTH! I can supply the exact page too with page numbers. Here is another example: [SIZE=1]ਅਕ ਧਤੂਰਾ ਖਾਧਿਆਂ ਕੁਹਿ ਕੁਹਿ ਖਲ ਉਖਲਿ ਵਿਣਸੀ ॥ ਮਾਸੁ ਖਾਨਿ ਗਲ ਵਢਿ ਕੈ ਹਾਲੁ ਤਿਨਾੜਾ ਕਉਣੁ ਹੋਵਸੀ ॥ <cite>"I was eating 'Ak' and 'Dhatura' plants (weed plants found in India) for whole of my life, to which no body else liked to eat. And even then I am being brutally killed and my skin being ripped, What will happen to those who cut my throat and eat my meat? (Vaar 25, Pauri 7)</cite>[/SIZE] [SIZE=1]Elsewhere, Bhai Gurdaas Ji says:[/SIZE] [SIZE=1]ਕੁਹੈ ਕਸਾਈ ਬਕਰੀ ਲਾਇ ਲੂਣ ਸੀਖ ਮਾਸੁ ਪਰੋਆ ॥ ਹਸਿ ਹਸਿ ਬੋਲੇ ਕੁਹੀਂਦੀ ਖਾਧੇ ਅਕਿ ਹਾਲੁ ਇਹੁ ਹੋਆ॥ ਮਾਸ ਖਾਨਿ ਗਿਲ ਛੁਰੀ ਦੇ ਹਾਲੁ ਤਿਨਾੜਾ ਕਉਣੁ ਅਲੋਆ ॥ <cite>"Goat is being killed, cut into pieces, and salt being spread on the pieces. While being killed goat says this all happened to me while I was just eating 'Ak' plant (weed found in India's desert fields). What will be the fate of those in the Court of the Lord who cut my throat with a knife and eat my meat?" (Vaar 37, Pauri 21)</cite>[/SIZE] That is fine, but do not lie. Here is another couplet from Varan Bhai Gurdas: [url=http://www.searchgurbani.com/main.php?book=bhai_gurdas_vaaran&action=pauripage&pauri=13&vaar=23]Vaaran Bhai Gurdas :Vaar23Pauri13:SearchGurbani.com[/url] <table align="center" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" width="94%"><tbody><tr height="35"><td class="subhead1" align="center" valign="top">[SIZE=2]Vaar 23 Pauri 13 Lesson from Goat [/SIZE] </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffecec"><td class="ggs">[SIZE=2]ਹਸਤਿ ਅਖਾਜੁ ਗੁਮਾਨ ਕਰਿ ਸੀਹੁ ਸਤਾਣਾ ਕੋਇ ਨ ਖਾਈ । [/SIZE]</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffecec"><td class="subhead">[SIZE=2]hasati akhaaju gumaan kari seehu sataanaa koi n khaaee| [/SIZE]</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffecec"><td class="shlok">[SIZE=2]The proud elephant is inedible and none eats the mighty lion. [/SIZE]</td></tr><tr><td class="rmenuheader">[SIZE=2][COLOR=red]Line 1 [/COLOR][/SIZE] </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffec"><td class="ggs">[SIZE=2]ਹੋਇ ਨਿਮਾਣੀ ਬਕਰੀ ਦੀਨ ਦੁਨੀ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਪਾਈ । [/SIZE]</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffec"><td class="subhead">[SIZE=2]hoi nimaanee bakaree deen dunee vadiaaee paaee| [/SIZE]</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffec"><td class="shlok">[SIZE=2]Goat is humble and hence it is respected everywhere. [/SIZE]</td></tr><tr><td class="rmenuheader">[SIZE=2][COLOR=red]Line 2 [/COLOR][/SIZE] </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffecec"><td class="ggs">[SIZE=2]ਮਰਣੈ ਪਰਣੈ ਮੰਨੀਐ ਜਗਿ ਭੋਗਿ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ ਕਰਾਈ । [/SIZE]</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffecec"><td class="subhead">[SIZE=2]maranai paranai manneeai jagi bhogi paravaanu karaaee| [/SIZE]</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffecec"><td class="shlok">[SIZE=2]On occasions of death, joy, marriage, yajna, etc only its meat dis accepted. [/SIZE]</td></tr><tr><td class="rmenuheader">[SIZE=2][COLOR=red]Line 3 [/COLOR][/SIZE] </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffec"><td class="ggs">[SIZE=2]ਮਾਸੁ ਪਵਿਤ੍ਰ ਗ੍ਰਿਹਸਤ ਨੋ ਆਂਦਹੁ ਤਾਰ ਵੀਚਾਰਿ ਵਜਾਈ । [/SIZE]</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffec"><td class="subhead">[SIZE=2]maasu pavitr grihasat no aandahu taar veechaari vajaaee| [/SIZE]</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffec"><td class="shlok">[SIZE=2]Among the householders its meat is acknowledged as sacred and with its gut stringed instruments are made. [/SIZE]</td></tr><tr><td class="rmenuheader">[SIZE=2][COLOR=red]Line 4 [/COLOR][/SIZE] </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffecec"><td class="ggs">[SIZE=2]ਚਮੜੇ ਦੀਆਂ ਕਰਿ ਜੁਤੀਆ ਸਾਧੂ ਚਰਣ ਸਰਣਿ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਈ । [/SIZE]</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffecec"><td class="subhead">[SIZE=2]chamarhay deeaan kari juteeaa saadhoo charan sarani|iv|aaee| [/SIZE]</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffecec"><td class="shlok">[SIZE=2]From its leather the shoes are made to be used by the saints merged in their meditation upon the Lord. [/SIZE]</td></tr><tr><td class="rmenuheader">[SIZE=2][COLOR=red]Line 5 [/COLOR][/SIZE] </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffec"><td class="ggs">[SIZE=2]ਤੂਰ ਪਖਾਵਜ ਮੜੀਦੇ ਕੀਰਤਨੁ ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਸੁਖਦਾਈ । [/SIZE]</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffec"><td class="subhead">[SIZE=2]toor pakhaavaj marheeday keeratanu saadhasangati sukhadaaee| [/SIZE]</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffec"><td class="shlok">[SIZE=2]Drums are mounted by its skin and then in the holy congregation the delight-giving kirtan, eulogy of the Lord, is sung. [/SIZE]</td></tr><tr><td class="rmenuheader">[SIZE=2][COLOR=red]Line 6 [/COLOR][/SIZE] </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffecec"><td class="ggs">[SIZE=2]ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸਰਣਾਈ ॥੧੩॥ [/SIZE]</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffecec"><td class="subhead">[SIZE=2]saadhasangati satigur saranaaee ॥13॥ [/SIZE]</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffecec"><td class="shlok">[SIZE=2]In fact, going to the holy congregation is the same as going to the shelter of the true Guru.[/SIZE]</td></tr></tbody></table> My point is these people are LIARS and are manipulaters. They will stoop so low as to disregard Sikh ideals of Truth and Justice, just to push their own point of view. This is what they are doing with Niddar Singh. What book is this? Are these people Nihangs or AKJer's dressed as Nihangs? I keep various weapons in the house, and I treat them with great respect. I don't worship them (although to the outsider it may seem so), the reason why was because these weapons have been in our family for generations. They are the reason why Randip Singh is on this planet. The Sikh's of old treated their weapons with great care. They were Guerilla's in effect and had to, and that is why they treated them like that. They gave their weapons names, and even characteristics. That is why they are their. The Guru's, Bandha Bahadhur and the Misls fought many battle's. Thier lives dependended on these weapons. Niddar S=ingh is saying nothing different from this. Like I said read some more books. The Guru's spoke but did we listen? He spoke against caste yet caste is stronger than ever in Punajb today amongst Sikhs! The Guru's spoke about the place of women, banned Sati and female infanticide, yet it is practiced more in Punab amongst Sikhs than any other groups. Dr IJ Singh and Kohli talk in their books about the strong Vashnavite influences that taint Sikhism today. What are real Nihangs? What are your definitions? What the manipulative AKJ sites tell you? or teh followers of Yogi Bhajan? Maybe the Vashnavite orientatetd Guru Nanak Nishkam Sewak Jatha? We need to get back to Sikhi, but lets face up to our history. Indeed. In order to pursue Truth immerse yourself in Sikh history. [/QUOTE]
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