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ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
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Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
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Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
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I'm At The Verge Of Losing My Faith In Sikhi. Maybe Already Have. I Need Advice.
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<blockquote data-quote="Rajveer_97" data-source="post: 217604" data-attributes="member: 21285"><p>First of all, thank you for taking the time to respond to my questions. I really appreciate it. Secondly, apologies for the late response, I have been quite busy. This apology goes to others as well, I'll try to respond where I can as soon as I can.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There isn't actually any way to verify this reasoning and it's a really strange reasoning as well.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I am reading through the Bible right now and I do find it to be quite interesting, but I am yet to form a final judgement because I don't feel I've read enough to form one. The Quran I've only read a little bits, even though it's much better than what some people may make it out to be, I struggle to believe in it. But still, I won't rule it out until I've read it properly. The way I see it so far, I could pick any of these however and make arguments for how it is the greatest truth. I realise though I'd reach a point where I'd need to make a leap of faith, for I do believe there is SOMETHING out there, I just want to make sure it's an educated leap of faith.</p><p>As for fight over Guru Nanak. Yes it's true, but why only Guru Nanak? Why not such fights over the other Gurus? If there were any please do correct me if I'm wrong. But it does seem to me like even though Sikh philosophy for the most part remained intact through the centuries, it's universalism did become slightly more restricted.</p><p></p><p>This restriction of Sikhi to Punjab is somewhat damaging, have you heard of the recent groups of Sikhs in the UK trying to turn being a Sikh into an ethnicity? I know this is the people's fault, not fault of the teachings themselves, but it's worth talking about. In this manner Sikhi becomes a regional practice, not a universal truth.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Truth is exclusive. There can't be more than one. I'm not saying people NEED to be converted. I recognise the importance of orthopraxy over orthodoxy as per Sikh values and I have tremendous respect for it. But this shouldn't be a reason for community to a keep such a Truth to themselves. In this case again I do recognise the difference between the fault of humans and the original teachings. But the Khalsa was given the authority to carry these teachings forward.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed, but discussions like these need to be had to make progress.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree with you. I was never dismissive of how much pressure Islam and Christian empires put on "non-believers" until they converted. Looking more into it I read that in case of Indonesia, which was a very tribal society, it was a case of convert the ruler and the people will follow.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You misunderstood me here, maybe I wasn't clear. I didn't say the Sikh scripture itself was diluted. My point was, as Max Arthur Macauliffe states in the introduction to the Sikh religion, barely anyone was left knowledgeable enough about Gurbani for it to be followed properly. Very few gyanis themselves understood the SGGS ji properly. Hence the reason most Sikhs only differentiated from Hindus in terms of their dress, but in terms of ritualism and daily practice there weren't big difference. I wish I could source better but this is in A History of the Sikhs by Khushwant Singh.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not what I was getting to. My point was how does one differentiate between a true guru and a fake guru? But we don't need to go further on this one, I don't think it'd go anywhere for now. But just to be clear, I'm not relating these gurus to Sikhi. But the idea of such spiritual gurus is obviously not just restricted to sikhs.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree, the repetitiveness makes sense in terms of the nature of the SGGS</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm in agreement here as well. The sources are not really that clear. But I have heard that the wives of Guru Gobind Singh were cremated in different places which are still marked as such.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The authenticity of the 52 Hukams is debatable. So I don't consider them reliable until I'm shown a proper historical source.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I was in error here. I did receive this particular piece of information from someone biased.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If this was a world where we only had one religion vs atheism debate, then I'd happily believe and not question. But it isn't. There are many beliefs out, each has their own convincing arguments and questionable ones and so I will question. The most recent thing that doesn't sit well with me is in gurbani it says not to follow Guru's actions, but what they say. If I'm interpreting this wrongly then correct me, but I see a good leader as one who leads by example. This kind of thinking could just give anyone a free pass to preach one thing and do another.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I find it hard to believe this anymore. If God was to sent down this truth and if as we are taught this God is kind, loving, helpful then such truth would have been better known to a larger group of people. Most people have barely even heard of it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I've been thinking about this and my completely honest answer is I think it's likely Sikhi might not be for me. I'll read it, I'll still study it and I'll learn what I can but I am inclined to treat it more as a philosophy.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have been very much careful in differentiating between the teachings and people. Maybe the flaw is in me, but Sikhi isn't working for me. If it works for others I'm happy for them. I can't say I see it as a perfect set of teachings. It appears to be the kindest and most down to earth, but not perfect to me and I'm sorry if this hurts anyone's sentiments. I'll be continuing my studies and am open to having my mind changed in the future.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>1. It is true they believe this, but correct me if I'm wrong, there is the Judgment Day where everyone will be called before God and be given another chance. I don't know too much about it so it's something I'll look more into it. If this is true then even if at this stage someone doesn't believe in God then the result could be like infinite reincarnations. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing here with this concept, but just stating what I think.</p><p></p><p>2. Something I have great respect for.</p><p></p><p>3. For Christians this was largely cultural as well, which is similar to Sikhs. For a while women on their periods weren't allowed in the Harimandir Sahib which is ridiculous. Yes this is the fault of the practitioners again but same can go for Christianity. West has made quicker progress on gender equality than the east. Women are treated better in Sikh teachings than other religion, but one can go further and wonder why then weren't any seen as contenders for the Guruship when people were tested. Sikh history is still largely male dominated. There are no clear answers to this question maybe, but I'm not yet willing to give up and settle with "Accept what the Guru did".</p><p></p><p>4. I already discussed this one above.</p><p></p><p>5. Which I love.</p><p></p><p>6. Which is indeed rare and important aspect of Sikhi.</p><p></p><p>Once again thank you for responding to my post. I learned a lot from it and it got me to think more about where I was in error. </p><p></p><p>Bhul Chuk Maaf</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rajveer_97, post: 217604, member: 21285"] First of all, thank you for taking the time to respond to my questions. I really appreciate it. Secondly, apologies for the late response, I have been quite busy. This apology goes to others as well, I'll try to respond where I can as soon as I can. There isn't actually any way to verify this reasoning and it's a really strange reasoning as well. I am reading through the Bible right now and I do find it to be quite interesting, but I am yet to form a final judgement because I don't feel I've read enough to form one. The Quran I've only read a little bits, even though it's much better than what some people may make it out to be, I struggle to believe in it. But still, I won't rule it out until I've read it properly. The way I see it so far, I could pick any of these however and make arguments for how it is the greatest truth. I realise though I'd reach a point where I'd need to make a leap of faith, for I do believe there is SOMETHING out there, I just want to make sure it's an educated leap of faith. As for fight over Guru Nanak. Yes it's true, but why only Guru Nanak? Why not such fights over the other Gurus? If there were any please do correct me if I'm wrong. But it does seem to me like even though Sikh philosophy for the most part remained intact through the centuries, it's universalism did become slightly more restricted. This restriction of Sikhi to Punjab is somewhat damaging, have you heard of the recent groups of Sikhs in the UK trying to turn being a Sikh into an ethnicity? I know this is the people's fault, not fault of the teachings themselves, but it's worth talking about. In this manner Sikhi becomes a regional practice, not a universal truth. Truth is exclusive. There can't be more than one. I'm not saying people NEED to be converted. I recognise the importance of orthopraxy over orthodoxy as per Sikh values and I have tremendous respect for it. But this shouldn't be a reason for community to a keep such a Truth to themselves. In this case again I do recognise the difference between the fault of humans and the original teachings. But the Khalsa was given the authority to carry these teachings forward. Agreed, but discussions like these need to be had to make progress. I agree with you. I was never dismissive of how much pressure Islam and Christian empires put on "non-believers" until they converted. Looking more into it I read that in case of Indonesia, which was a very tribal society, it was a case of convert the ruler and the people will follow. You misunderstood me here, maybe I wasn't clear. I didn't say the Sikh scripture itself was diluted. My point was, as Max Arthur Macauliffe states in the introduction to the Sikh religion, barely anyone was left knowledgeable enough about Gurbani for it to be followed properly. Very few gyanis themselves understood the SGGS ji properly. Hence the reason most Sikhs only differentiated from Hindus in terms of their dress, but in terms of ritualism and daily practice there weren't big difference. I wish I could source better but this is in A History of the Sikhs by Khushwant Singh. Not what I was getting to. My point was how does one differentiate between a true guru and a fake guru? But we don't need to go further on this one, I don't think it'd go anywhere for now. But just to be clear, I'm not relating these gurus to Sikhi. But the idea of such spiritual gurus is obviously not just restricted to sikhs. I agree, the repetitiveness makes sense in terms of the nature of the SGGS I'm in agreement here as well. The sources are not really that clear. But I have heard that the wives of Guru Gobind Singh were cremated in different places which are still marked as such. The authenticity of the 52 Hukams is debatable. So I don't consider them reliable until I'm shown a proper historical source. I was in error here. I did receive this particular piece of information from someone biased. If this was a world where we only had one religion vs atheism debate, then I'd happily believe and not question. But it isn't. There are many beliefs out, each has their own convincing arguments and questionable ones and so I will question. The most recent thing that doesn't sit well with me is in gurbani it says not to follow Guru's actions, but what they say. If I'm interpreting this wrongly then correct me, but I see a good leader as one who leads by example. This kind of thinking could just give anyone a free pass to preach one thing and do another. I find it hard to believe this anymore. If God was to sent down this truth and if as we are taught this God is kind, loving, helpful then such truth would have been better known to a larger group of people. Most people have barely even heard of it. I've been thinking about this and my completely honest answer is I think it's likely Sikhi might not be for me. I'll read it, I'll still study it and I'll learn what I can but I am inclined to treat it more as a philosophy. I have been very much careful in differentiating between the teachings and people. Maybe the flaw is in me, but Sikhi isn't working for me. If it works for others I'm happy for them. I can't say I see it as a perfect set of teachings. It appears to be the kindest and most down to earth, but not perfect to me and I'm sorry if this hurts anyone's sentiments. I'll be continuing my studies and am open to having my mind changed in the future. 1. It is true they believe this, but correct me if I'm wrong, there is the Judgment Day where everyone will be called before God and be given another chance. I don't know too much about it so it's something I'll look more into it. If this is true then even if at this stage someone doesn't believe in God then the result could be like infinite reincarnations. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing here with this concept, but just stating what I think. 2. Something I have great respect for. 3. For Christians this was largely cultural as well, which is similar to Sikhs. For a while women on their periods weren't allowed in the Harimandir Sahib which is ridiculous. Yes this is the fault of the practitioners again but same can go for Christianity. West has made quicker progress on gender equality than the east. Women are treated better in Sikh teachings than other religion, but one can go further and wonder why then weren't any seen as contenders for the Guruship when people were tested. Sikh history is still largely male dominated. There are no clear answers to this question maybe, but I'm not yet willing to give up and settle with "Accept what the Guru did". 4. I already discussed this one above. 5. Which I love. 6. Which is indeed rare and important aspect of Sikhi. Once again thank you for responding to my post. I learned a lot from it and it got me to think more about where I was in error. Bhul Chuk Maaf . [/QUOTE]
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