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If I Don't Believe In God, Is Sikhism Pretty Pointless?
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<blockquote data-quote="BhagatSingh" data-source="post: 88639" data-attributes="member: 2610"><p>What about the concept of Sargun and Nirgun?</p><p>Sargun meaning all attributes and nirgun meaning no attributes.</p><p>Existence is an attribute. Therefore, God has does not exist... even in Sikhism. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>WAIT God has all attributes ... so he exists? yes. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>NO YES NO...</p><p></p><p>What I mean is that you can make anything out of God! You're God is not the same as my God, but you're God is the same as my God. </p><p>For those of you who think that is contradictory. Let me tell you something, God is contradictory and guess what... he is not contradictory! Fascinating isnt it?</p><p>So what does this mean? what should I believe in?</p><p>This means that it doesn't matter if God exists or not, use your own brain (think rationally) and move on with your life. You can believe in God or you can be a non believer, either way you are a Sikh!</p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=98&punjabi=t&id=3904#l3904" target="_blank"><u>ਪੰਨਾ 98, ਸਤਰ 2</u></a></span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: BLACK">ਨਿਰਗੁਣੁ <strong><span style="color: #ab5555">ਸਰਗੁਣ</span></strong>ੁ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਮੇਰਾ ਕੋਈ ਹੈ ਜੀਉ ਆਣਿ ਮਿਲਾਵੈ ਜੀਉ ॥੧॥</span></span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: BLACK">निरगुणु सरगुणु हरि हरि मेरा कोई है जीउ आणि मिलावै जीउ ॥१॥</span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: BLACK">Nirguṇ sarguṇ har har merā ko▫ī hai jī▫o āṇ milāvai jī▫o. ||1||</span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: BLACK">My Lord, Har, Har, is both absolute and related, unmanifest and manifest; is there anyone who can come and unite me with Him? ||1||</span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: green">ਮਃ 5</span></span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"> - </span><span style="font-size: 10px"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=98&L=2&id=3904" target="_blank"><u>view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</u></a></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=128&punjabi=t&id=5250#l5250" target="_blank"><u>ਪੰਨਾ 128, ਸਤਰ 13</u></a></span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: BLACK">ਨਿਰਗੁਣੁ <strong><span style="color: #ab5555">ਸਰਗੁਣ</span></strong>ੁ ਆਪੇ ਸੋਈ ॥</span></span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: BLACK">निरगुणु सरगुणु आपे सोई ॥</span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: BLACK">Nirguṇ sarguṇ āpe so▫ī.</span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: BLACK">The Lord Himself is Unmanifest and Unrelated; He is Manifest and Related as well.</span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: green">ਮਃ 3</span></span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"> - </span><span style="font-size: 10px"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=128&L=13&id=5250" target="_blank"><u>view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</u></a></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=387&punjabi=t&id=17781#l17781" target="_blank"><u>ਪੰਨਾ 387, ਸਤਰ 18</u></a></span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: BLACK"><strong><span style="color: #ab5555">ਸਰਗੁਣ</span></strong> ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਥਾਪੈ ਨਾਉ ॥</span></span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: BLACK">सरगुण निरगुण थापै नाउ ॥</span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: BLACK">Sarguṇ nirguṇ thāpai nā▫o.</span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: BLACK">He is said to be of the highest attributes, and without attributes.</span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: green">ਮਃ 5</span></span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"> - </span><span style="font-size: 10px"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=387&L=18&id=17781" target="_blank"><u>view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</u></a></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=222&punjabi=t&id=9570#l9570" target="_blank"><u>ਪੰਨਾ 222, ਸਤਰ 2</u></a></span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: BLACK"><strong><span style="color: #ab5555">ਨਿਰਗੁਣ</span></strong> ਰਾਮੁ ਗੁਣਹ ਵਸਿ ਹੋਇ ॥</span></span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: BLACK">निरगुण रामु गुणह वसि होइ ॥</span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: BLACK">Nirguṇ rām guṇah vas ho▫e.</span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: BLACK">The Lord is without attributes; the attributes of virtue are under His control.</span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: green">ਮਃ 1</span></span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"> - </span><span style="font-size: 10px"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=222&L=2&id=9570" target="_blank"><u>view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</u></a></span></p><p></p><p>Guru Nanak's purpose was not to say if God existed or not, to him it DID NOT matter! His purpose was to improve the state of humanity. He used God's name to do that since<strong> everyone could relate to God</strong>. So he said we all are the children of the same God (or the concept of God, it doesn't matter). </p><p>Notice how he says God is served through serving humanity. That is what he places soooo much stress on "selfless service". </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1247&english=t&id=53678#l53678" target="_blank"><u>Page 1247, Line 17</u></a></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: BLACK">ਸੋ ਜਪੁ ਤਪੁ ਸੇਵਾ ਚਾਕਰੀ ਜੋ ਖਸਮੈ ਭਾਵੈ ॥</span></span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: BLACK">सो जपु तपु सेवा चाकरी जो खसमै भावै ॥</span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: BLACK">So jap ṯap sevā cẖākrī jo kẖasmai bẖāvai.</span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: BLACK">That is chanting and meditation, work and <strong><span style="color: #ab5555">selfless service</span></strong>, which is pleasing to our Lord and Master.</span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: green"><strong>Guru Amar Das</strong></span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"> - </span><span style="font-size: 10px"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=1247&L=17&id=53678" target="_blank"><u>view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</u></a></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%A4" target="_blank">ਸੇਵਤ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%A4" target="_blank">ਸੇਵਤ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਸਦਾ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਸੇਵਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਤੇਰੈ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਸੰਗਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਬਸਤੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਹੈ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਕਾਲੁ </a> ॥</span></span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #008080">सेवत सेवत सदा सेवि तेरै संगि बसतु है कालु ॥</span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-size: 10px">Sevaṯ sevaṯ saḏā sev ṯerai sang basaṯ hai kāl.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">Serve, serve, forever serve the Lord. Death hangs over your head.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਕਰਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਸੇਵਾ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%82%E0%A9%B0" target="_blank">ਤੂੰ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A7" target="_blank">ਸਾਧ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਕੀ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8B" target="_blank">ਹੋ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%9F%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%90" target="_blank">ਕਾਟੀਐ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%AE" target="_blank">ਜਮ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਜਾਲੁ </a> ॥੧॥</span></span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #008080">करि सेवा तूं साध की हो काटीऐ जम जालु ॥१॥</span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-size: 10px">Kar sevā ṯūʼn sāḏẖ kī ho kātī▫ai jam jāl. ||1||</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">Do seva, selfless service, for the Holy Saints, and the noose of Death shall be cut away. ||1|| </span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=214&english=t&id=9256#l9256" target="_blank"><u>Page 214, Line 9 </u></a></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=214&english=t&id=9256#l9256" target="_blank"><u></u></a></span></p><p></p><p> Nanak found God or the concept of God very fascinating though. If you read Gurbani, you will find out how he finds it fascinating.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BhagatSingh, post: 88639, member: 2610"] What about the concept of Sargun and Nirgun? Sargun meaning all attributes and nirgun meaning no attributes. Existence is an attribute. Therefore, God has does not exist... even in Sikhism. :) WAIT God has all attributes ... so he exists? yes. :D NO YES NO... What I mean is that you can make anything out of God! You're God is not the same as my God, but you're God is the same as my God. For those of you who think that is contradictory. Let me tell you something, God is contradictory and guess what... he is not contradictory! Fascinating isnt it? So what does this mean? what should I believe in? This means that it doesn't matter if God exists or not, use your own brain (think rationally) and move on with your life. You can believe in God or you can be a non believer, either way you are a Sikh! [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=2][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=98&punjabi=t&id=3904#l3904"][U]ਪੰਨਾ 98, ਸਤਰ 2[/U][/URL][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=2][COLOR=BLACK]ਨਿਰਗੁਣੁ [B][COLOR=#ab5555]ਸਰਗੁਣ[/COLOR][/B]ੁ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਮੇਰਾ ਕੋਈ ਹੈ ਜੀਉ ਆਣਿ ਮਿਲਾਵੈ ਜੀਉ ॥੧॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=BLACK]निरगुणु सरगुणु हरि हरि मेरा कोई है जीउ आणि मिलावै जीउ ॥१॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=BLACK]Nirguṇ sarguṇ har har merā ko▫ī hai jī▫o āṇ milāvai jī▫o. ||1||[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=BLACK]My Lord, Har, Har, is both absolute and related, unmanifest and manifest; is there anyone who can come and unite me with Him? ||1||[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=2][COLOR=green]ਮਃ 5[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2] - [/SIZE][SIZE=2][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=98&L=2&id=3904"][U]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok[/U][/URL][/SIZE] [SIZE=2] [/SIZE][FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=2][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=128&punjabi=t&id=5250#l5250"][U]ਪੰਨਾ 128, ਸਤਰ 13[/U][/URL][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=2][COLOR=BLACK]ਨਿਰਗੁਣੁ [B][COLOR=#ab5555]ਸਰਗੁਣ[/COLOR][/B]ੁ ਆਪੇ ਸੋਈ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=BLACK]निरगुणु सरगुणु आपे सोई ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=BLACK]Nirguṇ sarguṇ āpe so▫ī.[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=BLACK]The Lord Himself is Unmanifest and Unrelated; He is Manifest and Related as well.[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=2][COLOR=green]ਮਃ 3[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2] - [/SIZE][SIZE=2][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=128&L=13&id=5250"][U]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok[/U][/URL][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=2][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=387&punjabi=t&id=17781#l17781"][U]ਪੰਨਾ 387, ਸਤਰ 18[/U][/URL][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=2][COLOR=BLACK][B][COLOR=#ab5555]ਸਰਗੁਣ[/COLOR][/B] ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਥਾਪੈ ਨਾਉ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=BLACK]सरगुण निरगुण थापै नाउ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=BLACK]Sarguṇ nirguṇ thāpai nā▫o.[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=BLACK]He is said to be of the highest attributes, and without attributes.[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=2][COLOR=green]ਮਃ 5[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2] - [/SIZE][SIZE=2][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=387&L=18&id=17781"][U]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok[/U][/URL][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=2][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=222&punjabi=t&id=9570#l9570"][U]ਪੰਨਾ 222, ਸਤਰ 2[/U][/URL][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=2][COLOR=BLACK][B][COLOR=#ab5555]ਨਿਰਗੁਣ[/COLOR][/B] ਰਾਮੁ ਗੁਣਹ ਵਸਿ ਹੋਇ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=BLACK]निरगुण रामु गुणह वसि होइ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=BLACK]Nirguṇ rām guṇah vas ho▫e.[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=BLACK]The Lord is without attributes; the attributes of virtue are under His control.[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=2][COLOR=green]ਮਃ 1[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2] - [/SIZE][SIZE=2][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=222&L=2&id=9570"][U]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok[/U][/URL][/SIZE] Guru Nanak's purpose was not to say if God existed or not, to him it DID NOT matter! His purpose was to improve the state of humanity. He used God's name to do that since[B] everyone could relate to God[/B]. So he said we all are the children of the same God (or the concept of God, it doesn't matter). Notice how he says God is served through serving humanity. That is what he places soooo much stress on "selfless service". [SIZE=2][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1247&english=t&id=53678#l53678"][U]Page 1247, Line 17[/U][/URL] [/SIZE][FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=2][COLOR=BLACK]ਸੋ ਜਪੁ ਤਪੁ ਸੇਵਾ ਚਾਕਰੀ ਜੋ ਖਸਮੈ ਭਾਵੈ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=BLACK]सो जपु तपु सेवा चाकरी जो खसमै भावै ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=BLACK]So jap ṯap sevā cẖākrī jo kẖasmai bẖāvai.[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=BLACK]That is chanting and meditation, work and [B][COLOR=#ab5555]selfless service[/COLOR][/B], which is pleasing to our Lord and Master.[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=green][B]Guru Amar Das[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] - [/SIZE][SIZE=2][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=1247&L=17&id=53678"][U]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok[/U][/URL][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=2][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%A4"]ਸੇਵਤ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%A4"]ਸੇਵਤ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%BE"]ਸਦਾ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%BF"]ਸੇਵਿ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%88"]ਤੇਰੈ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%BF"]ਸੰਗਿ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81"]ਬਸਤੁ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%88"]ਹੈ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%81"]ਕਾਲੁ [/URL] ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#008080]सेवत सेवत सदा सेवि तेरै संगि बसतु है कालु ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][SIZE=2]Sevaṯ sevaṯ saḏā sev ṯerai sang basaṯ hai kāl. [/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080]Serve, serve, forever serve the Lord. Death hangs over your head.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=2][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF"]ਕਰਿ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%BE"]ਸੇਵਾ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%82%E0%A9%B0"]ਤੂੰ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A7"]ਸਾਧ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%80"]ਕੀ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8B"]ਹੋ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%9F%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%90"]ਕਾਟੀਐ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%AE"]ਜਮ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%81"]ਜਾਲੁ [/URL] ॥੧॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#008080]करि सेवा तूं साध की हो काटीऐ जम जालु ॥१॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][SIZE=2]Kar sevā ṯūʼn sāḏẖ kī ho kātī▫ai jam jāl. ||1|| [/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080]Do seva, selfless service, for the Holy Saints, and the noose of Death shall be cut away. ||1|| [/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=214&english=t&id=9256#l9256"][U]Page 214, Line 9 [/U][/URL][/SIZE] Nanak found God or the concept of God very fascinating though. If you read Gurbani, you will find out how he finds it fascinating. [/QUOTE]
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