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Guru Granth Sahib
Composition, Arrangement & Layout
ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="max314" data-source="post: 25772" data-attributes="member: 2817"><p>Hi there, Ms. Cheema.</p><p></p><p>I respect that sentiment. But might one enquire to what end "knowing the grand truth behind the veil" serves?</p><p></p><p>The grand truth, according to Gurbani, is <strong>Ek Onkar</strong>. There is no greater truth than this.</p><p></p><p>But the main purpose of <em>human</em> life, according to Guru Nanak, is to do one's life duties and to live a family life that is dictated by steadfast humanistic morals and a humility under God.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Indeed.</p><p></p><p>And if "your real self" is in fact being part of Waheguru himself, then - humbled by this knowledge - we should do what we are here to do.</p><p></p><p>Live life.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>I am in complete concordance with you.</p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: black">Words are human. The letters of Gurmukhi, the words of the Persians, the poetic structure of Sanskrit literature existed well before Guru Nanak set foot on this Earth.</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: black"></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: black">The words, the poetic form...this is all a man-made construct. The Gurus used this man-made construct to communicate ideas to us that are impossible to represent entirely with these limited Words of Men. That is why poetry is an exercise in the abstract, not the literal. That is why poetry aims at inciting emotion intuition, and not logical reason and rationale in the most scientific sense. </span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></span> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 10px">Indeed. Through inspiration of experiencing the divine, Master Nanak expresses his experiences in the form of human words.</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>"Limitless"? No, I don't think so.</p><p></p><p>There is only One Concept that is truly limitless. And I think we both know what this is.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p> Absolutely.</p><p></p><p>We are <strong>limited</strong> by <strong>human language</strong> and <strong>human concepts</strong> to express God...this is why it can only be done poetically and not using logic.</p><p></p><p>This also means that the True Nature of God is defiant to humans. Not even Gurbani can transcend the limits of language.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>No, I'm afriad you have mistaken my sentiments.</p><p></p><p>I did not say that "God is out there somewhere". I said quite the opposite.</p><p> </p><p>And yes, the only "Sat Guru" (literally "True Guru") is God.</p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p> The "Greater Force" I refer to is just another name to refer to God in all his infiniteness. Nothing more.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>Quite right. I wish more people would read that and understand what it means.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>Indeed. Absolution of the Self into the being of the One is the ultimate realisation.</p><p></p><p>Again, it all comes back to the ultimate revelation:</p><p></p><p><strong>Ek Onkar</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="max314, post: 25772, member: 2817"] Hi there, Ms. Cheema. I respect that sentiment. But might one enquire to what end "knowing the grand truth behind the veil" serves? The grand truth, according to Gurbani, is [b]Ek Onkar[/b]. There is no greater truth than this. But the main purpose of [i]human[/i] life, according to Guru Nanak, is to do one's life duties and to live a family life that is dictated by steadfast humanistic morals and a humility under God. [COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] Indeed. And if "your real self" is in fact being part of Waheguru himself, then - humbled by this knowledge - we should do what we are here to do. Live life. [SIZE=3][COLOR=#0000ff][/COLOR][/SIZE] I am in complete concordance with you. [SIZE=3][COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana] [SIZE=2][COLOR=black]Words are human. The letters of Gurmukhi, the words of the Persians, the poetic structure of Sanskrit literature existed well before Guru Nanak set foot on this Earth. The words, the poetic form...this is all a man-made construct. The Gurus used this man-made construct to communicate ideas to us that are impossible to represent entirely with these limited Words of Men. That is why poetry is an exercise in the abstract, not the literal. That is why poetry aims at inciting emotion intuition, and not logical reason and rationale in the most scientific sense.[COLOR=blue][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/COLOR][/COLOR][/SIZE] [/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=blue][FONT=GurbaniWebThick][SIZE=3] [FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3] [COLOR=black][SIZE=2]Indeed. Through inspiration of experiencing the divine, Master Nanak expresses his experiences in the form of human words.[/SIZE][/COLOR] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [SIZE=3][COLOR=blue][/COLOR][/SIZE] "Limitless"? No, I don't think so. There is only One Concept that is truly limitless. And I think we both know what this is. [COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] Absolutely. We are [b]limited[/b] by [b]human language[/b] and [b]human concepts[/b] to express God...this is why it can only be done poetically and not using logic. This also means that the True Nature of God is defiant to humans. Not even Gurbani can transcend the limits of language. [COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] No, I'm afriad you have mistaken my sentiments. I did not say that "God is out there somewhere". I said quite the opposite. And yes, the only "Sat Guru" (literally "True Guru") is God. [COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] The "Greater Force" I refer to is just another name to refer to God in all his infiniteness. Nothing more. [COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] Quite right. I wish more people would read that and understand what it means. [COLOR=red][SIZE=4][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] Indeed. Absolution of the Self into the being of the One is the ultimate realisation. Again, it all comes back to the ultimate revelation: [b]Ek Onkar[/b] [/QUOTE]
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