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ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
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Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
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Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
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Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
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<blockquote data-quote="Admin" data-source="post: 117008" data-attributes="member: 1"><p>Gurfateh Ranghi Ji, </p><p></p><p>By your own analogy that means only illiterate/ignorant people believe that entire DG to be written by Guru Gobind Singh Ji because doubts can only be cast in the minds of the illiterate. </p><p></p><p>How come? You are talking about raising <strong>Doubts</strong> but Please explain.</p><p></p><p>Why a Sodhak Committee of Sikhs was formed in early 1900s to remove some of the contents of Bachittar Natak Granth? We have to also bear this in mind that India was then a slave country under the influence of British, who ruled India nearly for 300 years by treachery and all these anomalies were introduced by them in connaivance with Brahmins/Masands/whatever? Does it not raise doubts in your mind that even in this Sodhak Committee too, there could be people who were under the pressure and influence of British Rulers? How does it not create any doubts in your mind? It certainly does raise quite a few in my mind!</p><p></p><p>Who formed such a Shodak Committee? How are we sure that the selection of people in that committee was not doubtful?</p><p></p><p>Who gave them the wisdom to discard those 7 other compositions from the already accepted Compilations? On what ground did they discard those compositions? What were the guiding principles?</p><p></p><p>Is this omission of 7 compositions not doubtful? It certainly is!</p><p></p><p>How did they decide that these 7 particular Compositions do not pass the litmus test of the Gurmat Values and Principles laid down in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Our Only Guru! And How they decided that the rest of the compositions do adhere to the Gurmat Values and Principles laid down in Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Our only Guru? Why is that it does not raise any doubt in your mind? It certainly does!</p><p></p><p>Were Sodhak Committees actions not doubtful, when they remove these compiliations from Dasam Granth? It certainly does raise doubts?</p><p></p><p>Were these people over and above the Guru to decide, which compositions can be added or removed from the Dasam Granth? Why this does not raise doubt in your mind that how dare they remove those 7 compositions from Dasam Granth?</p><p></p><p>How do you comprehend that whatever that was finally incorporated into New Granth now called Dasam Granth is the 100% accurate compilation of writings of Guru Gobind Singh Ji Banies?</p><p></p><p>We are talking about Doubts! Doubts were already there about the authenticity of some of the compilations of Dasam Granth because Sikhs fought gallantly for their survival for almost two hundred years and when there was no Sikh presence in the mainstream and while hiding & fighting, there was aplenty of time for these Masands or Brahmins to twist/alter/manipulate the Sikh scriptures and to take Sikhs back to the gutter called Brahmanwad, for which Sikhs fought so gallantly for hundreds of years to get out of it... Two hundred years is enough time to raise doubts in minds of followers of any religion or any philosophy's future generations. <strong>It was only the sweet will of the Almighty and the divine intervention that Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our Only Guru, could not be manipulated in those two hundred years and the present generation and future generations can revere Him with a secure knowledge that there is no impurity incorporated in Our Guru. <img src="/images/smilies/whatsapp/wah.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wah:" title="Wah :wah:" data-shortname=":wah:" /> </strong></p><p></p><p>Only those people are raising doubts by manipulating or doctoring videos and technology, who are hoodwinked to believe that Sikhs should get back to Brahman-wad fold. They are hell bend upon to revert Sikh Sikhi Sikhism back to Brahman-wad and make future generation of Sikhs slaves of the Brahman-wad. </p><p></p><p>Getting back to the Dasam Granth issue, some of the remaining writings naturally do raise doubts in the mind of the learners, the seekers because most of these remaining compositions fail the litmus Gurmat Values and Principles of SGGS miserably. Any writing which does not fall true on the Gurmat values and Principles of SGGS is surely doubtful. And surely, when Guru Gobind Singh ji Himself ordained not to add His Bani into SGGS ji, then who are we to doubt His decision and raise any other Granth alongside SGGS? <strong>Can you tell me, Who is actually raising the doubts?</strong> :advocate: But as the shadows of ignorance are dispelled with more and more the seeker getting themselves aware of the centuries old conspiracy against Sikhism. </p><p></p><p>The only solution to dispel doubts is: <strong>The Education of the Masses</strong>. There is a great need to bring legible translations of Dasam Granth compositions, in dispute, in their native languages so that even the illiterate Sikhs in villages can read and understand what some of the compilations in this Granth are talking about and how they can even relate to such compositions. Why these so called Pooran Brahamgyanis have not made these translations freely available to the illiterate Sangat in villages? Certainly three hundred years was good enough period to make the illiterate Sikh Sangat aware of the true meanings of these compilations!!</p><p></p><p>And then you have raised another important topic: Please explain:</p><p></p><p>Who is a Pooran Brahamgyani? </p><p></p><p>How do we identify a Pooran Brahamgyani? </p><p></p><p>What are the traits of a Pooran Brahamgyani? </p><p></p><p>How does one become a Pooran Brahamgyani?</p><p></p><p>What is the criteiron for becoming a Brahamgyani?</p><p></p><p>What makes you believe that we should accept, in blind faith, whatever a so called Pooran BrahamGyani says over this issue?</p><p></p><p>Where were all these so called Pooran Brahamgyanis, during last three hundred years of this controversy? </p><p></p><p>Where were these so called Pooran Brahamgyanis, when Brahmins had hijacked the Sikhi for those two hundred years? and were manipulated the Sikh scriptures? Where were these Pooran Brahamgyanis?</p><p></p><p>Why they could not take any notables steps to clear the doubts of a common Sikh in all these hundreds of years?</p><p></p><p>Why these Pooran Brahamgyanis allowed this controversy to linger on for all these long years?</p><p></p><p>And What makes you think that now when all efforts to resolve the controversy are failing and therefore we should now blindly follow these Pooran Brahamgyanis?</p><p></p><p>I think you need to clear quite a few of Doubts in my mind before we proceed any further!! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Warm regards</p><p></p><p>Gurfateh!</p><p></p><p></p><p>Aman Singh</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Admin, post: 117008, member: 1"] Gurfateh Ranghi Ji, By your own analogy that means only illiterate/ignorant people believe that entire DG to be written by Guru Gobind Singh Ji because doubts can only be cast in the minds of the illiterate. How come? You are talking about raising [B]Doubts[/B] but Please explain. Why a Sodhak Committee of Sikhs was formed in early 1900s to remove some of the contents of Bachittar Natak Granth? We have to also bear this in mind that India was then a slave country under the influence of British, who ruled India nearly for 300 years by treachery and all these anomalies were introduced by them in connaivance with Brahmins/Masands/whatever? Does it not raise doubts in your mind that even in this Sodhak Committee too, there could be people who were under the pressure and influence of British Rulers? How does it not create any doubts in your mind? It certainly does raise quite a few in my mind! Who formed such a Shodak Committee? How are we sure that the selection of people in that committee was not doubtful? Who gave them the wisdom to discard those 7 other compositions from the already accepted Compilations? On what ground did they discard those compositions? What were the guiding principles? Is this omission of 7 compositions not doubtful? It certainly is! How did they decide that these 7 particular Compositions do not pass the litmus test of the Gurmat Values and Principles laid down in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Our Only Guru! And How they decided that the rest of the compositions do adhere to the Gurmat Values and Principles laid down in Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Our only Guru? Why is that it does not raise any doubt in your mind? It certainly does! Were Sodhak Committees actions not doubtful, when they remove these compiliations from Dasam Granth? It certainly does raise doubts? Were these people over and above the Guru to decide, which compositions can be added or removed from the Dasam Granth? Why this does not raise doubt in your mind that how dare they remove those 7 compositions from Dasam Granth? How do you comprehend that whatever that was finally incorporated into New Granth now called Dasam Granth is the 100% accurate compilation of writings of Guru Gobind Singh Ji Banies? We are talking about Doubts! Doubts were already there about the authenticity of some of the compilations of Dasam Granth because Sikhs fought gallantly for their survival for almost two hundred years and when there was no Sikh presence in the mainstream and while hiding & fighting, there was aplenty of time for these Masands or Brahmins to twist/alter/manipulate the Sikh scriptures and to take Sikhs back to the gutter called Brahmanwad, for which Sikhs fought so gallantly for hundreds of years to get out of it... Two hundred years is enough time to raise doubts in minds of followers of any religion or any philosophy's future generations. [B]It was only the sweet will of the Almighty and the divine intervention that Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our Only Guru, could not be manipulated in those two hundred years and the present generation and future generations can revere Him with a secure knowledge that there is no impurity incorporated in Our Guru. :wah: [/B] Only those people are raising doubts by manipulating or doctoring videos and technology, who are hoodwinked to believe that Sikhs should get back to Brahman-wad fold. They are hell bend upon to revert Sikh Sikhi Sikhism back to Brahman-wad and make future generation of Sikhs slaves of the Brahman-wad. Getting back to the Dasam Granth issue, some of the remaining writings naturally do raise doubts in the mind of the learners, the seekers because most of these remaining compositions fail the litmus Gurmat Values and Principles of SGGS miserably. Any writing which does not fall true on the Gurmat values and Principles of SGGS is surely doubtful. And surely, when Guru Gobind Singh ji Himself ordained not to add His Bani into SGGS ji, then who are we to doubt His decision and raise any other Granth alongside SGGS? [B]Can you tell me, Who is actually raising the doubts?[/B] :advocate: But as the shadows of ignorance are dispelled with more and more the seeker getting themselves aware of the centuries old conspiracy against Sikhism. The only solution to dispel doubts is: [B]The Education of the Masses[/B]. There is a great need to bring legible translations of Dasam Granth compositions, in dispute, in their native languages so that even the illiterate Sikhs in villages can read and understand what some of the compilations in this Granth are talking about and how they can even relate to such compositions. Why these so called Pooran Brahamgyanis have not made these translations freely available to the illiterate Sangat in villages? Certainly three hundred years was good enough period to make the illiterate Sikh Sangat aware of the true meanings of these compilations!! And then you have raised another important topic: Please explain: Who is a Pooran Brahamgyani? How do we identify a Pooran Brahamgyani? What are the traits of a Pooran Brahamgyani? How does one become a Pooran Brahamgyani? What is the criteiron for becoming a Brahamgyani? What makes you believe that we should accept, in blind faith, whatever a so called Pooran BrahamGyani says over this issue? Where were all these so called Pooran Brahamgyanis, during last three hundred years of this controversy? Where were these so called Pooran Brahamgyanis, when Brahmins had hijacked the Sikhi for those two hundred years? and were manipulated the Sikh scriptures? Where were these Pooran Brahamgyanis? Why they could not take any notables steps to clear the doubts of a common Sikh in all these hundreds of years? Why these Pooran Brahamgyanis allowed this controversy to linger on for all these long years? And What makes you think that now when all efforts to resolve the controversy are failing and therefore we should now blindly follow these Pooran Brahamgyanis? I think you need to clear quite a few of Doubts in my mind before we proceed any further!! :) Warm regards Gurfateh! Aman Singh [/QUOTE]
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