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Hypocrisy Of Karma
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<blockquote data-quote="vsgrewal48895" data-source="post: 118883" data-attributes="member: 8024"><p>God is compassionate, merciful, forgiving and hundreds (Uncountable) attributes. Then wehy It is not transparent about past and future?</p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਬ ਕਛੁ ਨ ਸੀਓ ਤਬ ਕਿਆ ਕਰਤਾ ਕਵਨ ਕਰਮ ਕਰਿ ਆਇਆ </span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"> ਅਪਨਾ ਖੇਲੁ ਆਪਿ ਕਰਿ ਦੇਖੈ ਠਾਕੁਰਿ ਰਚਨੁ ਰਚਾਇਆ </span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥ </span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Jab kac</span></em><em><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖẖ</span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> na sī&shy;o </span></em><em><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṯ</span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">ab ki&shy;ā kar</span></em><em><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṯ</span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">ā kavan karam kar ā&shy;i&shy;ā. Apnā k</span></em><em><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">ėl āp kar </span></em><em><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ḏ</span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">ėk</span></em><em><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">ai </span></em><em><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṯẖ</span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">ākur rac</span></em><em><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">an rac</span></em><em><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">ā&shy;i&shy;ā.<?"urn:<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite9" alt=":eek:" title="Eek! :eek:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":eek:" />ffice<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite9" alt=":eek:" title="Eek! :eek:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":eek:" />ffice" /></span></em></span></p><p><em><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></em></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">When nothing existed, what deeds were being done? And what karma caused anyone to be born at all? The Creator Itself set Its play in motion, and Itself beholds the created Creation.</span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">-----Guru Arjan, Raag Suhi, AGGS, Page, 748-14</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਾਇ ਨ ਹੋਤੀ ਬਾਪੁ ਨ ਹੋਤਾ ਕਰਮੁ ਨ ਹੋਤੀ ਕਾਇਆ </span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥ </span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹਮ ਨਹੀ ਹੋਤੇ ਤੁਮ ਨਹੀ ਹੋਤੇ ਕਵਨੁ ਕਹਾਂ ਤੇ ਆਇਆ </span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥ </span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਾਸਤੁ ਨ ਹੋਤਾ ਬੇਦੁ ਨ ਹੋਤਾ ਕਰਮੁ ਕਹਾਂ ਤੇ ਆਇਆ </span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Maaey Na Hotee Baap Na Hota Karam Na Hotee Kaa-eaa, Ham Nahee Hotay Tum Nahee Hotay Kavan Kahaan Tay Aa-eaa, Saasat Na Hota Bayd Na Hota Karam Kahaan Tay Aa-eaa.</span></span></em></p><p><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">When there was no mother, father, our actions or even the human body and no one existed then where was this human being? How was he born? When there were neither Shaastras nor Vedas, where did destiny come from? -----Bhagat Namdev, Raag Ramkali, AGGS, Page, 973</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">IMHO it is the Karma of the present life resulting in its cause and effect in the present life. There is no Karma of the past or future as there is only this life as Guru Nanak in Raag Gauri And Guru Arjan in Raag Maru Dakhnay says;</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਬਦਿ ਮਰੈ ਫਿਰਿ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਰਣੁ ਨ ਹੋਇ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬਿਨੁ ਮੂਏ ਕਿਉ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪੂਰਾ ਹੋਇ </span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Saba</span></span></em></span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ḏ</span></span></em><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> marai fir mara</span></span></span></em><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṇ</span></span></em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> na ho&shy;ė. Bin mū&shy;ė ki&shy;o pūrā ho&shy;ė.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">One, who dies in the Word of the Sabd, shall never again have to die. Without such a death, how can one attain perfection?</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> -----Guru Nanak Raag Gauri, AGGS, Page, 152 & 153</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਆਗਾਹਾ ਕੂ ਤ੍ਰਾਘਿ ਪਿਛਾ ਫੇਰਿ ਨ ਮੁਹਡੜਾ </span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥ </span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਾਨਕ ਸਿਝਿ ਇਵੇਹਾ ਵਾਰ ਬਹੁੜਿ ਨ ਹੋਵੀ ਜਨਮੜਾ </span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>Āgāhā kū </em><em><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṯ</span>arāg</em><em><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span> pic</em><em><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖẖ</span>ā fėr na muhad</em><em><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṛ</span>ā. Nānak sij</em><em><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span> ivėhā vār bahu</em><em><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṛ</span> na hovī janam</em><em><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṛ</span>ā.</em></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Look ahead; don't look back over your shoulders to the past. O Nanak, be successful this time, as there is no birth again. -----Guru Arjan, Raag Maru-Dakhnay, AGGS, Page, 1096-12</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />>Any how we always can agree to disagree and I have nothing further to add on this subject.</o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />>Cordially,</o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />>Virinder</o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></span></span></p><p> </p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="vsgrewal48895, post: 118883, member: 8024"] God is compassionate, merciful, forgiving and hundreds (Uncountable) attributes. Then wehy It is not transparent about past and future? [SIZE=3][FONT=Raavi]ਜਬ ਕਛੁ ਨ ਸੀਓ ਤਬ ਕਿਆ ਕਰਤਾ ਕਵਨ ਕਰਮ ਕਰਿ ਆਇਆ [/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][FONT=Raavi] ਅਪਨਾ ਖੇਲੁ ਆਪਿ ਕਰਿ ਦੇਖੈ ਠਾਕੁਰਿ ਰਚਨੁ ਰਚਾਇਆ [/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥ [/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][I][FONT=Times New Roman]Jab kac[/FONT][/I][I][FONT=Tahoma]ẖẖ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] na sī­o [/FONT][/I][I][FONT=Tahoma]ṯ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman]ab ki­ā kar[/FONT][/I][I][FONT=Tahoma]ṯ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman]ā kavan karam kar ā­i­ā. Apnā k[/FONT][/I][I][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman]ėl āp kar [/FONT][/I][I][FONT=Tahoma]ḏ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman]ėk[/FONT][/I][I][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman]ai [/FONT][/I][I][FONT=Tahoma]ṯẖ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman]ākur rac[/FONT][/I][I][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman]an rac[/FONT][/I][I][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman]ā­i­ā.<?"urn::office:office" />[/FONT][/I][/SIZE] [I]<o:p>[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]</o:p>[/I] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]When nothing existed, what deeds were being done? And what karma caused anyone to be born at all? The Creator Itself set Its play in motion, and Itself beholds the created Creation.[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]-----Guru Arjan, Raag Suhi, AGGS, Page, 748-14[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Raavi]ਮਾਇ ਨ ਹੋਤੀ ਬਾਪੁ ਨ ਹੋਤਾ ਕਰਮੁ ਨ ਹੋਤੀ ਕਾਇਆ [/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥ [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਹਮ ਨਹੀ ਹੋਤੇ ਤੁਮ ਨਹੀ ਹੋਤੇ ਕਵਨੁ ਕਹਾਂ ਤੇ ਆਇਆ [/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥ [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਸਾਸਤੁ ਨ ਹੋਤਾ ਬੇਦੁ ਨ ਹੋਤਾ ਕਰਮੁ ਕਹਾਂ ਤੇ ਆਇਆ [/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/SIZE] [I][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Maaey Na Hotee Baap Na Hota Karam Na Hotee Kaa-eaa, Ham Nahee Hotay Tum Nahee Hotay Kavan Kahaan Tay Aa-eaa, Saasat Na Hota Bayd Na Hota Karam Kahaan Tay Aa-eaa.[/FONT][/SIZE][/I] <o:p>[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]</o:p> [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]When there was no mother, father, our actions or even the human body and no one existed then where was this human being? How was he born? When there were neither Shaastras nor Vedas, where did destiny come from? -----Bhagat Namdev, Raag Ramkali, AGGS, Page, 973[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]IMHO it is the Karma of the present life resulting in its cause and effect in the present life. There is no Karma of the past or future as there is only this life as Guru Nanak in Raag Gauri And Guru Arjan in Raag Maru Dakhnay says;[/SIZE][/FONT] [COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਸਬਦਿ ਮਰੈ ਫਿਰਿ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਮਰਣੁ ਨ ਹੋਇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਬਿਨੁ ਮੂਏ ਕਿਉ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਪੂਰਾ ਹੋਇ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Saba[/SIZE][/FONT][/I][/FONT][/COLOR][SIZE=3][I][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ḏ[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][I][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][FONT=Times New Roman] marai fir mara[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/I][I][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ṇ[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][FONT=Times New Roman][I][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] na ho­ė. Bin mū­ė ki­o pūrā ho­ė.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][I][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]One, who dies in the Word of the Sabd, shall never again have to die. Without such a death, how can one attain perfection?[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] -----Guru Nanak Raag Gauri, AGGS, Page, 152 & 153[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][FONT=Raavi]ਆਗਾਹਾ ਕੂ ਤ੍ਰਾਘਿ ਪਿਛਾ ਫੇਰਿ ਨ ਮੁਹਡੜਾ [/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥ [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਨਾਨਕ ਸਿਝਿ ਇਵੇਹਾ ਵਾਰ ਬਹੁੜਿ ਨ ਹੋਵੀ ਜਨਮੜਾ [/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT] [I]Āgāhā kū [/I][I][FONT=Tahoma]ṯ[/FONT]arāg[/I][I][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT] pic[/I][I][FONT=Tahoma]ẖẖ[/FONT]ā fėr na muhad[/I][I][FONT=Tahoma]ṛ[/FONT]ā. Nānak sij[/I][I][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT] ivėhā vār bahu[/I][I][FONT=Tahoma]ṛ[/FONT] na hovī janam[/I][I][FONT=Tahoma]ṛ[/FONT]ā.[/I] <o:p> </o:p> Look ahead; don't look back over your shoulders to the past. O Nanak, be successful this time, as there is no birth again. -----Guru Arjan, Raag Maru-Dakhnay, AGGS, Page, 1096-12 <o:p>Any how we always can agree to disagree and I have nothing further to add on this subject.</o:p> <o:p>Cordially,</o:p> <o:p>Virinder</o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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