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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="Ambarsaria" data-source="post: 156918" data-attributes="member: 14194"><p>Harry Haller ji the explanation is pretty straightforward and I think I got it. With of course in a sense, it is with various taints of the five thieves I so submit.</p><p></p><p>The so called five thieves are making a proposition and have stated a case to your soul. They feel a losing battle and so they are in a compromising mindset. Such are saying let us call a truce, don't kill us, life is not all about that. I have some sympathy for them and the reason follows.</p><p></p><p>Basically at this juncture in your stated description one can take two approaches.</p><p></p><p></p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> Balanced Control of the Thieves</li> </ol> <p style="margin-left: 20px">This will let you have continuity to Harry that you have lived with so far. Not only for yourself but also for your relatives and spouse. If you have control and teach the thieves a lesson every once in a while to enforce "Thief Control" you could continue in a steady state continuity of life that you and others can recognize and relate to.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Not the best of best goals in some people's mind but it is so from your brother Ambarsaria and you give something for others to look up to.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>2. Elimination of the five Thieves<p style="margin-left: 20px">I find this concept actually very dangerous. I may offend some people but I will say what I feel.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">This will create a Harry who has discontinuity. A perennial fight to always verify if the thieves are eliminated. How do you know something is not there unless someone else tests you for this, I do not know. So self test is a mirage that many people try to chase in a make believe fashion but it really is a mirage. One cannot be "Judge and Jury".</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">So how this state plays out. You will be unknowing as anyone wanting to Judge you have to be better than you or at least know what is meant by absolute "Zero" state of all thieves. I do not believe such people exist or at least I don't know any including all that I have met here or outside.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">So this is not practical Sikhism that I know of. It is preached pretty heavily but our Gurus never taught us to live sterile lives.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">By the way if anyone has achieved stage 2 living, they cannot claim to be so as that is tinge of five thieves that will show up in any such statement. <img src="/images/smilies/sikhsmileys/singh-bhangra.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":singhbhangra:" title="Singh Bhangra :singhbhangra:" data-shortname=":singhbhangra:" /><img src="/images/smilies/sikhsmileys/tabla-kudi.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":tablakudi:" title="Tabla Kudi :tablakudi:" data-shortname=":tablakudi:" /><img src="/images/smilies/sikhsmileys/munda-bhangra.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":mundabhangra:" title="Munda Bhangra :mundabhangra:" data-shortname=":mundabhangra:" /></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>Chill out, maintain and gradually work to improve but don't panic or become idealistic.</p><p></p><p>Sat Sri Akal.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ambarsaria, post: 156918, member: 14194"] Harry Haller ji the explanation is pretty straightforward and I think I got it. With of course in a sense, it is with various taints of the five thieves I so submit. The so called five thieves are making a proposition and have stated a case to your soul. They feel a losing battle and so they are in a compromising mindset. Such are saying let us call a truce, don't kill us, life is not all about that. I have some sympathy for them and the reason follows. Basically at this juncture in your stated description one can take two approaches. [LIST=1] [*] Balanced Control of the Thieves [/LIST] [INDENT]This will let you have continuity to Harry that you have lived with so far. Not only for yourself but also for your relatives and spouse. If you have control and teach the thieves a lesson every once in a while to enforce "Thief Control" you could continue in a steady state continuity of life that you and others can recognize and relate to. Not the best of best goals in some people's mind but it is so from your brother Ambarsaria and you give something for others to look up to. [/INDENT]2. Elimination of the five Thieves[INDENT]I find this concept actually very dangerous. I may offend some people but I will say what I feel. This will create a Harry who has discontinuity. A perennial fight to always verify if the thieves are eliminated. How do you know something is not there unless someone else tests you for this, I do not know. So self test is a mirage that many people try to chase in a make believe fashion but it really is a mirage. One cannot be "Judge and Jury". So how this state plays out. You will be unknowing as anyone wanting to Judge you have to be better than you or at least know what is meant by absolute "Zero" state of all thieves. I do not believe such people exist or at least I don't know any including all that I have met here or outside. So this is not practical Sikhism that I know of. It is preached pretty heavily but our Gurus never taught us to live sterile lives. By the way if anyone has achieved stage 2 living, they cannot claim to be so as that is tinge of five thieves that will show up in any such statement. :singhbhangra::tablakudi::mundabhangra: [/INDENT]Chill out, maintain and gradually work to improve but don't panic or become idealistic. Sat Sri Akal. [/QUOTE]
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