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ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
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Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
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Vaar Soohee (785-792)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="pk70" data-source="post: 92030" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p>Again, also I have red in some places that <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/" target="_blank">Guru Nanak</a> didn't accept janeoo, and in some places that they did. However, I and some others haven't found concrete source of rejecting the janeoo. This is why I never use the janeoo argument these days.(quote Lion-prince-jatinder ji)</p><p> <strong>What is your source? Gurbani openly states about the rejection of the Janeo and gives new meaning what actually Janeo should be. I do not accept hearsay or hearsay like stories. Here is a concrete source, if “main na mano” exists, what Guru ji can do?</strong></p><p> <strong>SGGS JI 471</strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%86" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦਇਆ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B9" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਪਾਹ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੰਤੋਖੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੂਤੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਤੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A2%E0%A9%80" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗੰਢੀ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਤੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%9F%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵਟੁ</span> </a></span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span> (what we actually need)</strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Ḏa▫i▫ā kapāh sanṯokẖ sūṯ jaṯ gandẖī saṯ vat.</span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Make compassion the cotton, contentment the thread, modesty the knot and truth the twist.</span></span> ( This is what Guru likes not the thread)</strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%8F%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਏਹੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%8A" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਨੇਊ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%85" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੀਅ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਾ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%88" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹਈ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਤ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A1%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪਾਡੇ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%98%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਘਤੁ</span> </a></span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Ėhu jane▫ū jī▫a kā ha▫ī ṯa pāde gẖaṯ.</span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">This is the sacred thread of the soul; if you have it, then go ahead and put it on me.</span></span> (</strong><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">.</span></span> ( This is what Guru likes not the thread)</strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਾ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%8F%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਏਹੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%9F%E0%A9%88" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਤੁਟੈ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਲੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%88" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਲਗੈ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਾ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%8F%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਏਹੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%88" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਲੈ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਾਇ</span> </a></span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span> (why? It goes with the soul)</strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Nā ehu ṯutai nā mal lagai nā ehu jalai na jā▫e.</span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">It does not break, it cannot be soiled by filth, it cannot be burnt, or lost.</span></span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A7%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਧੰਨੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%B8" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਾਣਸ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਾਨਕਾ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੋ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗਲਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚਲੇ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪਾਇ</span> </a></span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span> ( Praise of those who wear such kind not the thread-janeo, isn’t it enough?)</strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Ḏẖan so māṇas nānkā jo gal cẖale pā▫e.</span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Blessed are those mortal beings, O Nanak, who wear such a thread around their necks.</span></span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%9C%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚਉਕੜਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮੁਲਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%86" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਅਣਾਇਆ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬਹਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%88" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚਉਕੈ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%86" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪਾਇਆ</span> </a></span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span> </strong></p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖa▫ukaṛ mul aṇā▫i▫ā bahi cẖa▫ukai pā▫i▫ā.</span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">You buy the thread for a few shells, and seated in your enclosure, you put it on.</span></span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਿਖਾ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੰਨਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A9%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%88%E0%A8%86" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚੜਾਈਆ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗੁਰੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A3%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬ੍ਰਾਹਮਣੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A5%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਥਿਆ</span> </a></span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Sikẖā kann cẖaṛā▫ī▫ā gur barāhmaṇ thi▫ā.</span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Whispering instructions into others' ears, the Brahmin becomes a guru.</span></span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%93%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਓਹੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%86" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮੁਆ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%93%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਓਹੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9D%E0%A9%9C%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਝੜਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%86" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪਇਆ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵੇਤਗਾ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%86" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗਇਆ</span> </a></span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੧</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span> ( the end of so called Janeo in Guru ji’s eyes)</strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Oh mu▫ā oh jẖaṛ pa▫i▫ā veṯgā ga▫i▫ā. ||1||</span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">But he dies, and the sacred thread falls away, and the soul departs without it. ||1||</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p> <strong><span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: Black">The janeo that gets burn with the body is useless as per Guru ji</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p> Again you also mentioned western society in one of your posts before, and in uk a class system was followed in UK in the victorian era, where high and low class people lived differently separetly, and had different habits, morals, values, traditions, and just different ways of thinking, that also conflicted with each other.</p><p> Now, although the western society has forgotten these classes, they have also dropped down into hedonism, and I would say they have taken more of the values and morals that were associated with the victorian lower classes, and are forgetting those values/morals that made people respectable.</p><p><strong>There is difference between caste system and class. You should know that class is usually based on economical situations but caste system runs deep in blood line, an exploitation never to end.</strong></p><p> Again, even though we may illusions and maya, we are still different individuals, and we must be able to acknowledge and respect this</p><p> <strong>I started my post with” I respect your views…” so now what are you trying to say?</strong></p><p> <strong>Well, I do not acknowledge and accept caste system or clan illusions as Guru ji didn’t by calling them “useless” and illusionary concepts. I do not speculate on Guru ji’s behalf to support my assumptions ever to negate their hard work they did to clean some filth of the society. There is no substance left to debate it. So enjoy your traditions and convictions, no one is bothered by them. My only humble supplication is that keep Guru Sahiban out of it.<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pk70, post: 92030, member: 5889"] Again, also I have red in some places that [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/"]Guru Nanak[/URL] didn't accept janeoo, and in some places that they did. However, I and some others haven't found concrete source of rejecting the janeoo. This is why I never use the janeoo argument these days.(quote Lion-prince-jatinder ji) [B]What is your source? Gurbani openly states about the rejection of the Janeo and gives new meaning what actually Janeo should be. I do not accept hearsay or hearsay like stories. Here is a concrete source, if “main na mano” exists, what Guru ji can do?[/B] [B]SGGS JI 471[/B] [B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=AnmolUniPr][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%86"][FONT=Raavi]ਦਇਆ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B9"][FONT=Raavi]ਕਪਾਹ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਸੰਤੋਖੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਸੂਤੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਜਤੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A2%E0%A9%80"][FONT=Raavi]ਗੰਢੀ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਸਤੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%9F%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਵਟੁ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] (what we actually need) [/B][B][FONT=Tahoma]Ḏa▫i▫ā kapāh sanṯokẖ sūṯ jaṯ gandẖī saṯ vat.[/FONT] [/B][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=Tahoma]Make compassion the cotton, contentment the thread, modesty the knot and truth the twist.[/FONT][/COLOR] ( This is what Guru likes not the thread) [/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=AnmolUniPr][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%8F%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਏਹੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%8A"][FONT=Raavi]ਜਨੇਊ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%85"][FONT=Raavi]ਜੀਅ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE"][FONT=Raavi]ਕਾ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%88"][FONT=Raavi]ਹਈ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4"][FONT=Raavi]ਤ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A1%E0%A9%87"][FONT=Raavi]ਪਾਡੇ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%98%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਘਤੁ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][FONT=Tahoma]Ėhu jane▫ū jī▫a kā ha▫ī ṯa pāde gẖaṯ.[/FONT] [/B][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=Tahoma]This is the sacred thread of the soul; if you have it, then go ahead and put it on me.[/FONT][/COLOR] ([/B][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=Tahoma].[/FONT][/COLOR] ( This is what Guru likes not the thread) [/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=AnmolUniPr][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE"][FONT=Raavi]ਨਾ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%8F%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਏਹੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%9F%E0%A9%88"][FONT=Raavi]ਤੁਟੈ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8"][FONT=Raavi]ਨ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਮਲੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%88"][FONT=Raavi]ਲਗੈ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE"][FONT=Raavi]ਨਾ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%8F%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਏਹੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%88"][FONT=Raavi]ਜਲੈ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8"][FONT=Raavi]ਨ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87"][FONT=Raavi]ਜਾਇ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] (why? It goes with the soul) [/B][B][FONT=Tahoma]Nā ehu ṯutai nā mal lagai nā ehu jalai na jā▫e.[/FONT] [/B][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=Tahoma]It does not break, it cannot be soiled by filth, it cannot be burnt, or lost.[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=AnmolUniPr][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A7%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਧੰਨੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਸੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%B8"][FONT=Raavi]ਮਾਣਸ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE"][FONT=Raavi]ਨਾਨਕਾ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B"][FONT=Raavi]ਜੋ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਗਲਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%87"][FONT=Raavi]ਚਲੇ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87"][FONT=Raavi]ਪਾਇ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] ( Praise of those who wear such kind not the thread-janeo, isn’t it enough?) [/B][B][FONT=Tahoma]Ḏẖan so māṇas nānkā jo gal cẖale pā▫e.[/FONT] [/B][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=Tahoma]Blessed are those mortal beings, O Nanak, who wear such a thread around their necks.[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=AnmolUniPr][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%9C%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਚਉਕੜਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਮੁਲਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%86"][FONT=Raavi]ਅਣਾਇਆ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਬਹਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%88"][FONT=Raavi]ਚਉਕੈ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%86"][FONT=Raavi]ਪਾਇਆ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B] [B][FONT=Tahoma]ẖa▫ukaṛ mul aṇā▫i▫ā bahi cẖa▫ukai pā▫i▫ā.[/FONT] [/B][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=Tahoma]You buy the thread for a few shells, and seated in your enclosure, you put it on.[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=AnmolUniPr][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%BE"][FONT=Raavi]ਸਿਖਾ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਕੰਨਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A9%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%88%E0%A8%86"][FONT=Raavi]ਚੜਾਈਆ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਗੁਰੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A3%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਬ੍ਰਾਹਮਣੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A5%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86"][FONT=Raavi]ਥਿਆ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][FONT=Tahoma]Sikẖā kann cẖaṛā▫ī▫ā gur barāhmaṇ thi▫ā.[/FONT] [/B][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=Tahoma]Whispering instructions into others' ears, the Brahmin becomes a guru.[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=AnmolUniPr][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%93%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਓਹੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%86"][FONT=Raavi]ਮੁਆ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%93%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਓਹੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9D%E0%A9%9C%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਝੜਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%86"][FONT=Raavi]ਪਇਆ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%BE"][FONT=Raavi]ਵੇਤਗਾ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%86"][FONT=Raavi]ਗਇਆ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Raavi]੧[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] ( the end of so called Janeo in Guru ji’s eyes) [/B][B][FONT=Tahoma]Oh mu▫ā oh jẖaṛ pa▫i▫ā veṯgā ga▫i▫ā. ||1||[/FONT] [/B][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=Tahoma]But he dies, and the sacred thread falls away, and the soul departs without it. ||1||[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=navy][FONT=Tahoma][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=green][FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=Black]The janeo that gets burn with the body is useless as per Guru ji[/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=green] [/COLOR][/B] Again you also mentioned western society in one of your posts before, and in uk a class system was followed in UK in the victorian era, where high and low class people lived differently separetly, and had different habits, morals, values, traditions, and just different ways of thinking, that also conflicted with each other. Now, although the western society has forgotten these classes, they have also dropped down into hedonism, and I would say they have taken more of the values and morals that were associated with the victorian lower classes, and are forgetting those values/morals that made people respectable. [B]There is difference between caste system and class. You should know that class is usually based on economical situations but caste system runs deep in blood line, an exploitation never to end.[/B] Again, even though we may illusions and maya, we are still different individuals, and we must be able to acknowledge and respect this [B]I started my post with” I respect your views…” so now what are you trying to say?[/B] [B]Well, I do not acknowledge and accept caste system or clan illusions as Guru ji didn’t by calling them “useless” and illusionary concepts. I do not speculate on Guru ji’s behalf to support my assumptions ever to negate their hard work they did to clean some filth of the society. There is no substance left to debate it. So enjoy your traditions and convictions, no one is bothered by them. My only humble supplication is that keep Guru Sahiban out of it.:)[/B] [/QUOTE]
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