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How Many Sikhs Have Married Out Of Caste/race?
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<blockquote data-quote="pk70" data-source="post: 91991" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p>Also, for <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank">Guru</a> jis to follow their tradition, it would not have neccesarily meant following caste system, and instead just respecting their linage and traditions, so of course they were above the filth of looking at people as higher or lower, but respect is different, and we should all respect the desicions and laws of parents and government. Gurus had to respect their families wishes and could not reject their duty(quot lion-price- jatinder Ji)</p><p> </p><p> <strong>Why Guru Nanak didn’t follow all family traditions, he even didn’t prefer to live in his own house where Maya trade was in full circle. Guru Nanak unlike you and me, never gave in for any one tradition or ritual blindly. So don’t go there. Did Guru particularly instruct their followers to do family traditions or just speculation of yours is new tenant of Sikhi?</strong></p><p> </p><p> . <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/" target="_blank">Guru Nanak</a> had to get married as it was his parents wished, and <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank">Guru</a> ji showed respect towards his parents</p><p> <strong>Talk is not about parents wish, Guru Nanak didn’t accept many things said by his parents either.</strong></p><p> </p><p> . <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank">Guru</a> Gobind Singh had to create Khalsa, to protect the socity and to protect dharam. <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank">Guru</a> jis followed dharam. It was also their dharam to marry in their tradition,</p><p> <strong>Give me a single Gur Vaak from Sree Guru Granth Sahib ji or any Hukamnama of Guru jian where Guru ji supported your philosophy, I have no value what people say in context of Gurmat.</strong></p><p> it would have been adharam for them to disobey their parents and family desicions. It is also adharam for us to disobey our own parents. </p><p> <strong>Why didGuru Nanak just follow his parents and make money as they wished?</strong></p><p> Remember, many people follow adharam in this day and age, even the people that are called as religious, since it is the Kaliyuga/Kalijuga.</p><p> <strong>That is not what we are discussing</strong></p><p> <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank">Guru</a> jis were binded to their human bodies as long as they were in human form (when and if they were able to leave their bodies, then circumstances change of course).</p><p> <strong>Even being in their bonded body, Guru ji successfully guided the society to get rid of narrow illusions and see Him in all instead of falling for divisions created by a clever mind.</strong></p><p> Also as citizens we have to follow the law of our countries.</p><p></p><p>Also, to into caste system. You and I know, that it is evident in gurbani, that <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank">Guru</a> ji has respected the 4 varnas equally. They have spiritual equity. </p><p> <strong>You are openly distorting Guru Message, let’s see what Guru says. In the following, Guru ji addresses all the established castes, Guru ji is not saying that they are right( they were their already and were discriminated) followers should pick up “should be” message not what is mentioned as it was there.</strong></p><p><strong></strong>Adi <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-granth-sahib/" target="_blank">Guru Granth Sahib</a> p747</p><p><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%80" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਖਤ੍ਰੀ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A3" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬ੍ਰਾਹਮਣ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%A6" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੂਦ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A9%88%E0%A8%B8" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵੈਸ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਉਪਦੇਸੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚਹੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵਰਨਾ</span> </a></span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%89" target="_blank"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਉ</span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%9D%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਾਝਾ</span></span></a></span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: teal"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">खत्री ब्राहमण सूद वैस उपदेसु चहु वरना कउ साझा ॥</span></span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Kẖaṯrī barāhmaṇ sūḏ vais upḏes cẖahu varnā ka▫o sājẖā.</span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">The four castes - the Kh'shaatriyas, Brahmins, Soodras and Vaishyas - </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">are equal in respect to the teachings.</span></span> </strong></p><p> <strong>What does it say? The Teaching equally given to established four castes. Why, because before, it was limited to Brahmin only. Read on the next Guru vaak, when the Lord, as per Guru ji, permeates in each and every being, what importance of these castes has? The following Guru Vaak negates the importance of high castes as the Lord permeates equally in all. Why a Guru follower should believe in Caste System?</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਾਮੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%88" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਪੈ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%88" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਉਧਰੈ</span> </a></span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%8B" target="_blank"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੋ</span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਲਿ</span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਹਿ</span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%98%E0%A8%9F%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਘਟਿ</span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%98%E0%A8%9F%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਘਟਿ</span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%95" target="_blank"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਾਨਕ</span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%9D%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਾਝਾ</span></span></a></span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੪</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੩</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੫੦</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: teal"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">गुरमुखि नामु जपै उधरै सो कलि महि घटि घटि नानक माझा ॥४॥३॥५०॥</span></span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Gurmukẖ nām japai uḏẖrai so kal mėh gẖat gẖat Nānak mājẖā. ||4||3||50||</span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">One who, as <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank">Gurmukh</a>, chants the Naam, the Name of the Lord, is saved. In this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, O <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/" target="_blank">Nanak</a>, </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">God is permeating the hearts of each and every being. ||4||3||50||</span></span><span style="color: red"> </span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: red"></span></strong></p><p>Also research and traditions show that these 4 varnas weren't really a system of hierarchy, and more of a way of generalising people of the 4 ways of their duties, where Brahmins would be people who were learned/gyanis, and kshatriya being the warriors, sometimes with people even being able to jump to a different varna.</p><p> <strong>Wow, look at the western society, they never had it and progressed better than the land where it was forced (still is thanks to people like you), it was just to exploit humans like slavery was justified. As civility progressed, it was looked upon very badly then. Unfortunately, some Sikhs are distorting Guru Message to prove Guru ji supports it when truth is, Guru criticizes it. Read Kabir ji and other Bhagatas of Low castes how they question it? Read Guru ji what they say about it</strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%95" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਲੋਕ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%83" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਃ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A9%A7" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੧</span> </a></span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: teal"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">सलोक मः १ ॥</span></span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Salok mėhlā 1.</span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Shalok, First Mehl:</span></span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AB%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%9C" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਫਕੜ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%80" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਾਤੀ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AB%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%9C%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਫਕੜੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%89" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਾਉ</span> </a></span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: teal"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">फकड़ जाती फकड़ु नाउ ॥</span></span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Fakaṛ jāṯī fakaṛ nā▫o.</span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Pride in social status is empty; pride in personal glory is </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">useless.</span></span><span style="color: red"> </span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: red"></span></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਭਨਾ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%86" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੀਆ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਇਕਾ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9B%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%89" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਛਾਉ</span> </a></span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: teal"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">सभना जीआ इका छाउ ॥</span></span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Sabẖnā jī▫ā ikā cẖẖā▫o.</span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">The One Lord gives shade to all beings.</span></span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਆਪਹੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੇ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%8B" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੋ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਲਾ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%8F" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਹਾਏ</span> </a></span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: teal"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">आपहु जे को भला कहाए ॥</span></span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Āphu je ko bẖalā kahā▫e.</span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><u><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">You may call yourself good;</span></span><span style="color: red"> </span></u></strong></p><p><strong><u><span style="color: red"></span></u></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'">( slap on caste system believers)</span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%95" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਾਨਕ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਤਾ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪਰੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%88" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਾਪੈ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਾ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪਤਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%88" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਲੇਖੈ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%8F" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪਾਏ</span> </a></span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੧</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span> (SGGS Ji 83)</strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: teal"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">नानक ता परु जापै जा पति लेखै पाए ॥१॥</span></span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Nānak ṯā par jāpai jā paṯ lekẖai pā▫e. ||1||</span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><u><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">O Nanak, this will only be known when your honor is approved in God's Account. ||1||</span></span></u></strong></p><p><strong><u></u></strong>Bhai Gurdass has also gone into details of the different castes/tribes/jobs of the 4 varnas, in his vaaran.</p><p> <strong>Bhai Gurdas says Guru Nanak made four castes one. Just reread him please.</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pk70, post: 91991, member: 5889"] Also, for [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"]Guru[/URL] jis to follow their tradition, it would not have neccesarily meant following caste system, and instead just respecting their linage and traditions, so of course they were above the filth of looking at people as higher or lower, but respect is different, and we should all respect the desicions and laws of parents and government. Gurus had to respect their families wishes and could not reject their duty(quot lion-price- jatinder Ji) [B]Why Guru Nanak didn’t follow all family traditions, he even didn’t prefer to live in his own house where Maya trade was in full circle. Guru Nanak unlike you and me, never gave in for any one tradition or ritual blindly. So don’t go there. Did Guru particularly instruct their followers to do family traditions or just speculation of yours is new tenant of Sikhi?[/B] . [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/"]Guru Nanak[/URL] had to get married as it was his parents wished, and [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"]Guru[/URL] ji showed respect towards his parents [B]Talk is not about parents wish, Guru Nanak didn’t accept many things said by his parents either.[/B] . [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"]Guru[/URL] Gobind Singh had to create Khalsa, to protect the socity and to protect dharam. [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"]Guru[/URL] jis followed dharam. It was also their dharam to marry in their tradition, [B]Give me a single Gur Vaak from Sree Guru Granth Sahib ji or any Hukamnama of Guru jian where Guru ji supported your philosophy, I have no value what people say in context of Gurmat.[/B] it would have been adharam for them to disobey their parents and family desicions. It is also adharam for us to disobey our own parents. [B]Why didGuru Nanak just follow his parents and make money as they wished?[/B] Remember, many people follow adharam in this day and age, even the people that are called as religious, since it is the Kaliyuga/Kalijuga. [B]That is not what we are discussing[/B] [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"]Guru[/URL] jis were binded to their human bodies as long as they were in human form (when and if they were able to leave their bodies, then circumstances change of course). [B]Even being in their bonded body, Guru ji successfully guided the society to get rid of narrow illusions and see Him in all instead of falling for divisions created by a clever mind.[/B] Also as citizens we have to follow the law of our countries. Also, to into caste system. You and I know, that it is evident in gurbani, that [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"]Guru[/URL] ji has respected the 4 varnas equally. They have spiritual equity. [B]You are openly distorting Guru Message, let’s see what Guru says. In the following, Guru ji addresses all the established castes, Guru ji is not saying that they are right( they were their already and were discriminated) followers should pick up “should be” message not what is mentioned as it was there. [/B]Adi [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-granth-sahib/"]Guru Granth Sahib[/URL] p747 [B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=AnmolUniPr][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%80"][FONT=Raavi]ਖਤ੍ਰੀ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A3"][FONT=Raavi]ਬ੍ਰਾਹਮਣ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%A6"][FONT=Raavi]ਸੂਦ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A9%88%E0%A8%B8"][FONT=Raavi]ਵੈਸ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਉਪਦੇਸੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਚਹੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE"][FONT=Raavi]ਵਰਨਾ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=red][FONT=AnmolUniPr][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%89"][COLOR=red][FONT=Raavi]ਕਉ[/FONT][/COLOR][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%9D%E0%A8%BE"][COLOR=red][FONT=Raavi]ਸਾਝਾ[/FONT][/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=teal][FONT=Mangal]खत्री ब्राहमण सूद वैस उपदेसु चहु वरना कउ साझा ॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][FONT=Tahoma]Kẖaṯrī barāhmaṇ sūḏ vais upḏes cẖahu varnā ka▫o sājẖā.[/FONT] [/B][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=Tahoma]The four castes - the Kh'shaatriyas, Brahmins, Soodras and Vaishyas - [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=red][FONT=Tahoma]are equal in respect to the teachings.[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B] [B]What does it say? The Teaching equally given to established four castes. Why, because before, it was limited to Brahmin only. Read on the next Guru vaak, when the Lord, as per Guru ji, permeates in each and every being, what importance of these castes has? The following Guru Vaak negates the importance of high castes as the Lord permeates equally in all. Why a Guru follower should believe in Caste System? [/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=AnmolUniPr][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਨਾਮੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%88"][FONT=Raavi]ਜਪੈ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%88"][FONT=Raavi]ਉਧਰੈ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=red][FONT=AnmolUniPr][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%8B"][COLOR=red][FONT=Raavi]ਸੋ[/FONT][/COLOR][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF"][COLOR=red][FONT=Raavi]ਕਲਿ[/FONT][/COLOR][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF"][COLOR=red][FONT=Raavi]ਮਹਿ[/FONT][/COLOR][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%98%E0%A8%9F%E0%A8%BF"][COLOR=red][FONT=Raavi]ਘਟਿ[/FONT][/COLOR][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%98%E0%A8%9F%E0%A8%BF"][COLOR=red][FONT=Raavi]ਘਟਿ[/FONT][/COLOR][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%95"][COLOR=red][FONT=Raavi]ਨਾਨਕ[/FONT][/COLOR][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%9D%E0%A8%BE"][COLOR=red][FONT=Raavi]ਮਾਝਾ[/FONT][/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Raavi]੪[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Raavi]੩[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Raavi]੫੦[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=teal][FONT=Mangal]गुरमुखि नामु जपै उधरै सो कलि महि घटि घटि नानक माझा ॥४॥३॥५०॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][FONT=Tahoma]Gurmukẖ nām japai uḏẖrai so kal mėh gẖat gẖat Nānak mājẖā. ||4||3||50||[/FONT] [/B][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=Tahoma]One who, as [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"]Gurmukh[/URL], chants the Naam, the Name of the Lord, is saved. In this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, O [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/"]Nanak[/URL], [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=red][FONT=Tahoma]God is permeating the hearts of each and every being. ||4||3||50||[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red] [/COLOR][/B] Also research and traditions show that these 4 varnas weren't really a system of hierarchy, and more of a way of generalising people of the 4 ways of their duties, where Brahmins would be people who were learned/gyanis, and kshatriya being the warriors, sometimes with people even being able to jump to a different varna. [B]Wow, look at the western society, they never had it and progressed better than the land where it was forced (still is thanks to people like you), it was just to exploit humans like slavery was justified. As civility progressed, it was looked upon very badly then. Unfortunately, some Sikhs are distorting Guru Message to prove Guru ji supports it when truth is, Guru criticizes it. Read Kabir ji and other Bhagatas of Low castes how they question it? Read Guru ji what they say about it[/B] [B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=AnmolUniPr][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%95"][FONT=Raavi]ਸਲੋਕ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%83"][FONT=Raavi]ਮਃ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A9%A7"][FONT=Raavi]੧[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=teal][FONT=Mangal]सलोक मः १ ॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][FONT=Tahoma]Salok mėhlā 1.[/FONT] [/B][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=Tahoma]Shalok, First Mehl:[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=AnmolUniPr][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AB%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%9C"][FONT=Raavi]ਫਕੜ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%80"][FONT=Raavi]ਜਾਤੀ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AB%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%9C%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਫਕੜੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%89"][FONT=Raavi]ਨਾਉ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=teal][FONT=Mangal]फकड़ जाती फकड़ु नाउ ॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][FONT=Tahoma]Fakaṛ jāṯī fakaṛ nā▫o.[/FONT] [/B][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=Tahoma]Pride in social status is empty; pride in personal glory is [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=red][FONT=Tahoma]useless.[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red] [/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=AnmolUniPr][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE"][FONT=Raavi]ਸਭਨਾ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%86"][FONT=Raavi]ਜੀਆ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE"][FONT=Raavi]ਇਕਾ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9B%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%89"][FONT=Raavi]ਛਾਉ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=teal][FONT=Mangal]सभना जीआ इका छाउ ॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][FONT=Tahoma]Sabẖnā jī▫ā ikā cẖẖā▫o.[/FONT] [/B][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=Tahoma]The One Lord gives shade to all beings.[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=AnmolUniPr][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਆਪਹੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%87"][FONT=Raavi]ਜੇ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%8B"][FONT=Raavi]ਕੋ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BE"][FONT=Raavi]ਭਲਾ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%8F"][FONT=Raavi]ਕਹਾਏ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=teal][FONT=Mangal]आपहु जे को भला कहाए ॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][FONT=Tahoma]Āphu je ko bẖalā kahā▫e.[/FONT] [/B][B][U][COLOR=red][FONT=Tahoma]You may call yourself good;[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red] [/COLOR][/U][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=AnmolUniPr]( slap on caste system believers) [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%95"][FONT=Raavi]ਨਾਨਕ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BE"][FONT=Raavi]ਤਾ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਪਰੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%88"][FONT=Raavi]ਜਾਪੈ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE"][FONT=Raavi]ਜਾ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਪਤਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%88"][FONT=Raavi]ਲੇਖੈ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%8F"][FONT=Raavi]ਪਾਏ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Raavi]੧[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] (SGGS Ji 83) [/B][B][COLOR=teal][FONT=Mangal]नानक ता परु जापै जा पति लेखै पाए ॥१॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][FONT=Tahoma]Nānak ṯā par jāpai jā paṯ lekẖai pā▫e. ||1||[/FONT] [/B][B][U][COLOR=navy][FONT=Tahoma]O Nanak, this will only be known when your honor is approved in God's Account. ||1||[/FONT][/COLOR] [/U][/B]Bhai Gurdass has also gone into details of the different castes/tribes/jobs of the 4 varnas, in his vaaran. [B]Bhai Gurdas says Guru Nanak made four castes one. Just reread him please.[/B] [/QUOTE]
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