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<blockquote data-quote="Ishna" data-source="post: 144344" data-attributes="member: 2709"><p>Hukam is discussed in some depth by Dr Karminder Singh Dhillon in Part 4 of his discource of Japji (available from SPN <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/jap-ji-sahib/34163-study-japuji-sahib-dr-karminder-singh.html" target="_blank">here</a>).</p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Dr Dhillon goes as far as to say:</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">He also aptly says this on page 4:</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><p style="text-align: left"></p></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></p></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">This would support a responsible, spiritual person's logical behaviour of "doing the best you can and leaving the rest up to Hukam", rather than a non-violent, passivist "I'll just sit here and let Hukam do it's think since I can't do anything about it anyway" attitude, which doesn't reflect the proactive Sikh spirit.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Dr Dhillon goes on to eventually say (as per my understanding, please correct me if I'm wrong) that as Waheguru is the only thing which is not subject to Hukam, Hukam (by logic) cannot lead to meet Waheguru -- Waheguru ji must circumvent the action of Hukam by Grace to liberate you.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I disagree that hukam is the food of love, because many people by the consequences of hukam come to leave Sikhi and/or are the lowest of the low and never find love or contempate SAT in this lifetime. It's <em>acceptance</em> of Hukam that brings that beautiful love of Truth. I'm not sure too many northern Japanese people are feeling too much love for the Truth right now though.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Comments such as "</span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">God loves some, and does not love others as much" <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">and</span> "Its his will, he LEADS some astray, he keeps them in darkness. He does not give them the strength to come to him or to forgive! He leads them to hurt other human beings." </span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">appear to be rooted in Abrahamical religious thought when viewed in the context of Dr Dhillon's interpretation of Hukam.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">By asking "what is SAT" are we not asking "what is God"?</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ishna, post: 144344, member: 2709"] Hukam is discussed in some depth by Dr Karminder Singh Dhillon in Part 4 of his discource of Japji (available from SPN [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/jap-ji-sahib/34163-study-japuji-sahib-dr-karminder-singh.html"]here[/URL]). [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=2][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=2][FONT=Verdana]Dr Dhillon goes as far as to say:[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=2][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=2][FONT=Verdana][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=2][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=2][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=2][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=2][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=2][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=2][FONT=Verdana]He also aptly says this on page 4:[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=2][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=2][LEFT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=2][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=2][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/LEFT][FONT=Verdana][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=2][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=2][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=2][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=2] [FONT=Verdana]This would support a responsible, spiritual person's logical behaviour of "doing the best you can and leaving the rest up to Hukam", rather than a non-violent, passivist "I'll just sit here and let Hukam do it's think since I can't do anything about it anyway" attitude, which doesn't reflect the proactive Sikh spirit.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Dr Dhillon goes on to eventually say (as per my understanding, please correct me if I'm wrong) that as Waheguru is the only thing which is not subject to Hukam, Hukam (by logic) cannot lead to meet Waheguru -- Waheguru ji must circumvent the action of Hukam by Grace to liberate you.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]I disagree that hukam is the food of love, because many people by the consequences of hukam come to leave Sikhi and/or are the lowest of the low and never find love or contempate SAT in this lifetime. It's [I]acceptance[/I] of Hukam that brings that beautiful love of Truth. I'm not sure too many northern Japanese people are feeling too much love for the Truth right now though.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Comments such as "[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman]God loves some, and does not love others as much" [FONT=Verdana]and[/FONT] "Its his will, he LEADS some astray, he keeps them in darkness. He does not give them the strength to come to him or to forgive! He leads them to hurt other human beings." [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]appear to be rooted in Abrahamical religious thought when viewed in the context of Dr Dhillon's interpretation of Hukam.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]By asking "what is SAT" are we not asking "what is God"?[/FONT] [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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