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<blockquote data-quote="ekmusafir_ajnabi" data-source="post: 58329" data-attributes="member: 4318"><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Comments by Amerikaur</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">There is no need to be defensive about Astrology and Sikhism. </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">If one goes to an astrologer, does that person do so because they want to make their life more difficult? Or is it because they are seeking some kind of guidance or assistance? If one consults a horoscope, does one do so to to be lied to? Or to be decieved? Or, does one go to seek some kind of truth? </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">One would visit an astrologer when one needs guidance. An astrologer is not a magician but a Wise Person who is able to guide you out of your difficulty. Just as in any trade religious or non-religious there are crooks, they equally exist in this profession. </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Comments by</span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/members/gyani-jarnail-singh.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red"><u>Gyani Jarnail Singh</u></span></a></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Bhen Ameri Kaur has given the example about auspicious /unauspicious days from GURBANI.... that should be enough for us to decide that GURU JI is saying..NO JANAM KUNDALII...how much clearer can this be.</span></span><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">You said the same about Kalyug in another thread when Guru ji have written many verses explaining Kalyug in SGGS. You are a Gyani, please have respect for your trade.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The JK is prepared just to find out the AUSPICIOUS and INAUSPICIOUS days..and when GURU JI says there are NO SUCH DAYS....it means that JK is a Total waste of time.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">You know nothing about Astrology. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">In a janamsakhi incident it is related that Guru nanak ji went to "see" a very famous Astrologer at hardwaaar. When GURU Ji arrived, the astrologer closed his eyes shut and pretended to be deep in meditation. Guru ji slowly removed his money bag from his front and placed it at his back. After a while when he opened his eyes...the first thing that he noticed was that his MONEY was MISSING....and he was highly perplexed at who in his right mind would dare to steal from such a great astrologer who KNEW the Past and the FUTURE !!! Guru Ji told him his money bag was behind him....and when he was relived that it was all there GURU JI told him....YOU who profess to KNOW the Past and the FUTURE....DIDNT EVEN KNOW that his money as behind his back !!! JHHOOTH NA BOL PANDEY SACH KAHIEYEH....is RIGHT.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Guru ji here was exposing the pretence of one Jyotshi/pandit and not a criticism of astrology.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Astrology is nothing but a highly refined art of hypnosis where the practiotioner actually "makes" the victim "tell his/her own future and past"....he gives out VAGUE indications of GENERAL EVENTS....the VICTIM makes haste to CONNECT these vague generalisations into CONCRETE PAST events happening in his life.....and says Vah vah this man really knows his stuff...I have innocently tried out this stuff and man..it really works. ALl you got to do is don the right clothes, the right personality, etc...the moment you "tell" a woman...I think your husband has a another woman in his life...she will instantly pick up vague instances in her life and turn them into CONCRETE PROOF that her man indeed is unfaithful.....like the time he came home late from work and was a bit flustered....the time when he stayed back in the shop to talk to the salesgirl...ALL seem to Fall into PLACE..and the "astrologer" has his case made out for him....DIG his claws so deep into the victim that there is now NO ESCAPE....</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Astrology has nothing to do with hypnosis. This is your own shortfall. A proof of confusion of your mind.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">After hundreds of Years of practise and fine tuning these masters of forgery and human manipulation have refined their art to a mastery of human emotions and insecurities...people are in a hurry to TELL them their own FUTURE and Past... In the WEST this "service" is performed by the PSYCHOLOGIST/PSYCHOANALYST...who earns BIG BUCKS listening to victims pour their hearts out.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Astrology is a Science. There is nothing to forge here.</span></span><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">IF I wasnt an AMRITDHAREE and a Firm beleiver in GURBANi and GURMATT.. I could make a killing in astrology....its that easy ( and I KNOW FOR A FACT that I KNOW NOTHING about any PAST or FUTURE of anybody even myself !!!)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">After noting your comments, I have serious doubts of your above statements however I do wholeheartedly agree with your last comments in brackets. To practice Astrology one needs Wisdom, Logic and a clear Mind. So just as well you are not practicing this art.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Forgive me</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">“Aisa kamm mooley na keejey jit ant pashotayea. “ – Guru Amar Dass ji.</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Comments by Balbir ji</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">In my view, all jyotishis (astrologers) are blind like any other professionals until they come to know Simran.</span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">All sciences and their studies lead one to worldly engagements. The push of Simran changes its direction toward God.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">A true Astrologer does not practice this art without Naam Simran. Predicting someones future is not a game. It has consequences. The Jyotishi is subjected to the effects of mis-interpretation. There are very many astrologers who conduct this trade in pretence. They will suffer their own fate. The same can equally be said about people that pretend to selectively follow Sikhism and pretend to “live gurbani” and claim to have a third eye vision when it is blatantly clear that they have a very poor understanding of the subject.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Article put forward by Luthra Sumeet ji</span></span></p><p></p><p><strong><u><span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">JOTISH</span></span></u></strong><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> by T.Singh</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Do not tell lies, O Pandit; speak the Truth. When egoism is </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">eradicated through the Shabad, then one finds His Home, </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Reality. Calculating and counting, the astrologer draws the </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">horoscope. He studies it and announces it, but he does not </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">understand Reality. Understand, that the Gur-Shabad is above</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">all. Do not speak of anything else; it is all just ashes (sggs 904)…………………………</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">There are very many authors who have published their frustrations on the net. If they had put this much effort on understanding this topic, they would have become much wiser.</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Comments by Vijaydeep ji</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">In old time both astronmoers and astrologers were called Jyotishi and only now we use term Khagol Shastri for Astronomer.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">There is a big difference between Astronomers and Astrologers. Please read around on the subject.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">As in Japu Ji saihb itself it is writtan.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Huaqqami Ander Sabh Ko Bahar Huqam Na Koi,Nanak Huqqami Jai Bujhe,Hau mai Kahe Nan Koi.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Astrology does not contradict that statement. It takes aid from that fact in predicting what is written in your “Hukam”</span></span><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">All universe works under will of God and if someone understand it then no ego is left.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Alas your understanding is very poor of both Gurbani and Astrology.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">So Horoscope,which tells by pseudo scince that by the position of stars or plannet our life is gooing to be effected and by particular riltaism or stone we can undo damge has no place in Gurmat.As If Akal want something to happen then no object star or Plannet can prevent it.Rather all celestial objects move by will of Akal and no one knows it but Akal so why should we try to shamm with astrology or Horoscope.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Brother Balbeer Singh Ji Das hope you have got the point.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Let alone Balbir getting the point, you are yourself totally off the mark.</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">As an ex Hindu Das here wants to inform you that as per astrologers Mahoorat or asupisius Days and Horoscopes are toatly differnat things.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">As far as Horoscope is concern it is a sort of arrangement various palnatory and steller position during birht of a human ie time of birht.And based on then there are various extrpolations done to predict the life of that person.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">If something wrong is predicted then to undo it vaour rituals are told.Like wearing stone etc.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Veras Mahurat is based upon the fact as per astrologers the day which is good to do the job in question based upon steller position.Well due to this stupid thing in past hindus were defeated time and again by foregn invaders.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Firstly you Hindu background has nothing to do with astrology and secondly you know “ILL DA NAAM KUKKAR” about astrology. Do not comment on what you do not understand.</span></span><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Forgive Das if wrong is writtan.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Yes, what you have written in wrong. Why verbally puke in the first place? And then ask for forgiveness later.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Comments by sskohli</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Your comments are very much to the point on correctness. Only if these people would read around the topic in question before giving their opinions. </span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">There is no clash between Astrology and Sikhism. It is true to say that Astrology will not lead you to Mukti but It has the ability to predict to considerable accuracy what the future holds for you. A true astrologer will guide you like a Wise Man and not mislead you. </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">So please do not mix issues here. </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Ekmusafir_ajnabi</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ekmusafir_ajnabi, post: 58329, member: 4318"] [COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]Comments by Amerikaur[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]There is no need to be defensive about Astrology and Sikhism. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]If one goes to an astrologer, does that person do so because they want to make their life more difficult? Or is it because they are seeking some kind of guidance or assistance? If one consults a horoscope, does one do so to to be lied to? Or to be decieved? Or, does one go to seek some kind of truth? [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana]One would visit an astrologer when one needs guidance. An astrologer is not a magician but a Wise Person who is able to guide you out of your difficulty. Just as in any trade religious or non-religious there are crooks, they equally exist in this profession. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]Comments by[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana] [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/members/gyani-jarnail-singh.html"][COLOR=red][U]Gyani Jarnail Singh[/U][/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]Bhen Ameri Kaur has given the example about auspicious /unauspicious days from GURBANI.... that should be enough for us to decide that GURU JI is saying..NO JANAM KUNDALII...how much clearer can this be.[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR][COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana]You said the same about Kalyug in another thread when Guru ji have written many verses explaining Kalyug in SGGS. You are a Gyani, please have respect for your trade.[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] The JK is prepared just to find out the AUSPICIOUS and INAUSPICIOUS days..and when GURU JI says there are NO SUCH DAYS....it means that JK is a Total waste of time.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana]You know nothing about Astrology. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] In a janamsakhi incident it is related that Guru nanak ji went to "see" a very famous Astrologer at hardwaaar. When GURU Ji arrived, the astrologer closed his eyes shut and pretended to be deep in meditation. Guru ji slowly removed his money bag from his front and placed it at his back. After a while when he opened his eyes...the first thing that he noticed was that his MONEY was MISSING....and he was highly perplexed at who in his right mind would dare to steal from such a great astrologer who KNEW the Past and the FUTURE !!! Guru Ji told him his money bag was behind him....and when he was relived that it was all there GURU JI told him....YOU who profess to KNOW the Past and the FUTURE....DIDNT EVEN KNOW that his money as behind his back !!! JHHOOTH NA BOL PANDEY SACH KAHIEYEH....is RIGHT.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana]Guru ji here was exposing the pretence of one Jyotshi/pandit and not a criticism of astrology. [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] Astrology is nothing but a highly refined art of hypnosis where the practiotioner actually "makes" the victim "tell his/her own future and past"....he gives out VAGUE indications of GENERAL EVENTS....the VICTIM makes haste to CONNECT these vague generalisations into CONCRETE PAST events happening in his life.....and says Vah vah this man really knows his stuff...I have innocently tried out this stuff and man..it really works. ALl you got to do is don the right clothes, the right personality, etc...the moment you "tell" a woman...I think your husband has a another woman in his life...she will instantly pick up vague instances in her life and turn them into CONCRETE PROOF that her man indeed is unfaithful.....like the time he came home late from work and was a bit flustered....the time when he stayed back in the shop to talk to the salesgirl...ALL seem to Fall into PLACE..and the "astrologer" has his case made out for him....DIG his claws so deep into the victim that there is now NO ESCAPE.... [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana]Astrology has nothing to do with hypnosis. This is your own shortfall. A proof of confusion of your mind.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] After hundreds of Years of practise and fine tuning these masters of forgery and human manipulation have refined their art to a mastery of human emotions and insecurities...people are in a hurry to TELL them their own FUTURE and Past... In the WEST this "service" is performed by the PSYCHOLOGIST/PSYCHOANALYST...who earns BIG BUCKS listening to victims pour their hearts out.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana]Astrology is a Science. There is nothing to forge here.[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] IF I wasnt an AMRITDHAREE and a Firm beleiver in GURBANi and GURMATT.. I could make a killing in astrology....its that easy ( and I KNOW FOR A FACT that I KNOW NOTHING about any PAST or FUTURE of anybody even myself !!!) [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana]After noting your comments, I have serious doubts of your above statements however I do wholeheartedly agree with your last comments in brackets. To practice Astrology one needs Wisdom, Logic and a clear Mind. So just as well you are not practicing this art.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]Forgive me[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana]“Aisa kamm mooley na keejey jit ant pashotayea. “ – Guru Amar Dass ji.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR][COLOR=blue][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]Comments by Balbir ji[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]In my view, all jyotishis (astrologers) are blind like any other professionals until they come to know Simran.[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]All sciences and their studies lead one to worldly engagements. The push of Simran changes its direction toward God.[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana]A true Astrologer does not practice this art without Naam Simran. Predicting someones future is not a game. It has consequences. The Jyotishi is subjected to the effects of mis-interpretation. There are very many astrologers who conduct this trade in pretence. They will suffer their own fate. The same can equally be said about people that pretend to selectively follow Sikhism and pretend to “live gurbani” and claim to have a third eye vision when it is blatantly clear that they have a very poor understanding of the subject.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]Article put forward by Luthra Sumeet ji[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [B][U][COLOR=#000099][FONT=Verdana]JOTISH[/FONT][/COLOR][/U][/B][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] by T.Singh Do not tell lies, O Pandit; speak the Truth. When egoism is eradicated through the Shabad, then one finds His Home, Reality. Calculating and counting, the astrologer draws the horoscope. He studies it and announces it, but he does not understand Reality. Understand, that the Gur-Shabad is above all. Do not speak of anything else; it is all just ashes (sggs 904)…………………………[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana]There are very many authors who have published their frustrations on the net. If they had put this much effort on understanding this topic, they would have become much wiser.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]Comments by Vijaydeep ji[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]In old time both astronmoers and astrologers were called Jyotishi and only now we use term Khagol Shastri for Astronomer. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana]There is a big difference between Astronomers and Astrologers. Please read around on the subject.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] As in Japu Ji saihb itself it is writtan. Huaqqami Ander Sabh Ko Bahar Huqam Na Koi,Nanak Huqqami Jai Bujhe,Hau mai Kahe Nan Koi.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana]Astrology does not contradict that statement. It takes aid from that fact in predicting what is written in your “Hukam”[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] All universe works under will of God and if someone understand it then no ego is left. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana]Alas your understanding is very poor of both Gurbani and Astrology.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] So Horoscope,which tells by pseudo scince that by the position of stars or plannet our life is gooing to be effected and by particular riltaism or stone we can undo damge has no place in Gurmat.As If Akal want something to happen then no object star or Plannet can prevent it.Rather all celestial objects move by will of Akal and no one knows it but Akal so why should we try to shamm with astrology or Horoscope. Brother Balbeer Singh Ji Das hope you have got the point.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana]Let alone Balbir getting the point, you are yourself totally off the mark.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]As an ex Hindu Das here wants to inform you that as per astrologers Mahoorat or asupisius Days and Horoscopes are toatly differnat things. As far as Horoscope is concern it is a sort of arrangement various palnatory and steller position during birht of a human ie time of birht.And based on then there are various extrpolations done to predict the life of that person. If something wrong is predicted then to undo it vaour rituals are told.Like wearing stone etc. Veras Mahurat is based upon the fact as per astrologers the day which is good to do the job in question based upon steller position.Well due to this stupid thing in past hindus were defeated time and again by foregn invaders.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana]Firstly you Hindu background has nothing to do with astrology and secondly you know “ILL DA NAAM KUKKAR” about astrology. Do not comment on what you do not understand.[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] Forgive Das if wrong is writtan.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana]Yes, what you have written in wrong. Why verbally puke in the first place? And then ask for forgiveness later.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]Comments by sskohli[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana]Your comments are very much to the point on correctness. Only if these people would read around the topic in question before giving their opinions. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]There is no clash between Astrology and Sikhism. It is true to say that Astrology will not lead you to Mukti but It has the ability to predict to considerable accuracy what the future holds for you. A true astrologer will guide you like a Wise Man and not mislead you. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]So please do not mix issues here. [/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Ekmusafir_ajnabi[/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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