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<blockquote data-quote="Archived_Member4" data-source="post: 86814" data-attributes="member: 6184"><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Quote:</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Originally Posted by <strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Singh</span></strong> <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/sikh-youth/22759-hair-and-general-sikh-philosophy-study-post86723.html#post86723" target="_blank"><img src="http://file:///C:/DOCUME~1/HP_ADM~1/LOCALS~1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></span></span></p><p><em><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The shabad is only talking about hair when one is completely in love with the Lord and before that people are just using the shabad to say hair is not required in <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800080">Sikhi</span></a> because of this shabad.<strong> And in this shabad there is only one line that talks about hair rest is about duality and love for the Lord.</strong></span></span></em></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">'Singh ji!! The shabad is only two lines!!!'</span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><strong>Yes only two lines that you bring up but the whole shabad is more than this. The lines that are above and below it finishes the shabad and the person gets the understanding. Just looking at those two lines misleads a person like you have been mislead; so focused on that one line about hair and trying to prove hair can be cut and forgot to look one line up. Did it ever come to mind to ask yourself has duality and alienation departed from my body and mind? Am I only in love with the Lord or do I still have that duality in my life that from time to time enters me and the lords naam is forgotten even for a millisecond? </strong></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Quote:</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Originally Posted by <strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Singh</span></strong> <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/sikh-youth/22759-hair-and-general-sikh-philosophy-study-post86723.html#post86723" target="_blank"><img src="http://file:///C:/DOCUME~1/HP_ADM~1/LOCALS~1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></span></span></p><p><em><u><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Either way the shabad does not say keep hair or cut hair.</span></span></u></em></p><p> </p><p><em><u><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">"You may have long hair or you may shave your head bald"</span></span></u></em><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> ?? That doesn't tell you that you can have cut or uncut hair?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>Read what I wrote above it examples this one line that you cannot understand alone.</strong></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Quote:</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Originally Posted by <strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Singh</span></strong> <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/sikh-youth/22759-hair-and-general-sikh-philosophy-study-9.html#post86753" target="_blank"><img src="http://file:///C:/DOCUME~1/HP_ADM~1/LOCALS~1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></span></span></p><p><em><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">'There is no need to take the idea of one jyote and use/misuse this idea to claim that there is a universal mandate among all the Gurus to keep hair'</span></span></em></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #5b5b5b">This is not an idea it is a fact because once again the Shabad <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800080">Guru</span></a> tells us it is a fact.</span></span></em></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Please provide quotes from SGGS that back up your "facts".</span></span></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Tahona'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">I hope this will clear things up for Bhagat ji and Aad ji. </span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahona'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">THIRD MEHL: There is One Bani; there is One Guru; there is one Shabad to contemplate. True is the merchandise, and true is the shop; the warehouses are overflowing with jewels. By</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahona'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Guru.s Grace, they are obtained, if the Great Giver gives them. Dealing in this true merchandise, one earns the profit of the incomparable Naam. In the midst of poison, the Ambrosial Nectar is revealed; by His Mercy, one drinks it in. O Nanak, praise the True Lord; blessed is the Creator, the Embellisher. || 2 || PAUREE: Those who are permeated by falsehood, do not love the Truth. If someone speaks the Truth, falsehood is burnt away. The false are satisfied by falsehood, like the crows who eat manure. When the Lord grants His Grace, then one meditates on the Naam, the Name of the Lord. As Gurmukh, worship the</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahona'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Lord.s Name in adoration; fraud and sin shall disappear. || 10 || ang 646</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">‘<a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800080">Guru</span></a> Gobind Singh ji started this discipline he called "Khalsa". He intiated people into this discipline so they could fight oppression!</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">But Gur Gobind SIngh was smart, what he did was make the <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800080">Amrit</span></a> ceremony a ritual (yes a ritual)! This attracted quite a number of people as it seemed very magical to them (and still does). And all <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800080">Guru</span></a> Gobind Singh ji really had to do was say was that the water in the bowl would make one(who drinks it) fight millions! And voila!!! We have 21 vs 1000, 40 vs 10000, 2 vs 800 and so on! What power of this simple water and his rebelious discipline!!! It fascinating but it is not to be confused with <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800080">Sikhism</span></a>! Well, that's my take on it.’</span></span></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Thank you for your opinion Bhagat ji. Your opinion clearly shows you do not understand how the Amrit ceremony works and how it is done. But thank you for your opinion I had a fun time reading the fairy tale theories you come up with.</span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Quote:</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Now you tell me which Guru did not say keep hair; keep in mind Ika Bani Ik Gur Iko Shabad Vichaar. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The other 9, even <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800080">Guru</span></a> Gobind Singh said keep hair, only to those who were in his new discipline. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">About that sentence, please post the whole shabad. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji made two orders that day one for the Sikh and the other for the Khalsa. The one for the Sikh said Hukam: A Sikh must keep hair and not smoke tobacco. A Sikh must not have sexual relationship outside the marital bond and cannot eat the flesh of an animal killed slowly in the Muslim way or in any sacrificial ceremony.</span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Quote:</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">So how can you say Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji never said a Sikh must keep hair? </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">'After showing you that shabad by Kabeer ji, I think it's quite obvious how we can say "Sri <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/666-guru-granth-sahib-history-arrangements-text.html" target="_blank">Guru Granth</a> Sahib ji never said a <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800080">Sikh</span></a> must keep hair"'</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>Read that shabad over and over and over and over and over again until you actually read, understand and apply the first line of the shabad that you presented, here is the line again.</strong></span></span></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Kabeer, when you are in love with the One Lord, duality and alienation depart.</span></span></em></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>And please don’t tell me to read the shabad over and over again for I understand duality has not departed from me and know this shabad will be speaking to me only when duality and alienation do depart.</strong></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Quote:</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Because all the Gurus have one jot living in them; there is no difference from any Guru. Please tell us how many jots existed in all the Gurus? </span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">'Ya buddy we all have one jyot in us! Your jyot is no different than the jyot of the Gurus. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #5b5b5b">Well the Gurus were all different individuals so 10 individual jyots, and one Main Jyot AKA God.'</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">This is what you think my friend. Please present Gurbani that explains this to back up your claim. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Quote:</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Present these facts because Guru Gobind Singh ji gave a hukam to the sikhs and the same hukam went to the Khalsa about keep hair uncut and also Guru Gobind Singh Sahib was intaited in the Khalsa by the Panj Pyare, Which would mean Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji would have to keep his hair and not cut or trim it. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Ok <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800080">Guru</span></a> Gobind Singh ji would have definitely started to keep hair when he got intiated. But that doesn't mean he didn't cut his hair before. And it definitely doesn't mean the other Gurus had uncut hair.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Bhagat ji prove it with facts that Guru ji had an hair cut before he created the Khalsa.</span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Quote:</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">'This is the same </span></span><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800080">Guru</span></a></span></span><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> whose did not include his bani in the <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/sikh-gurus/4549-guru-granth-sahib.html" target="_blank">(Guru Granth Sahib)</a></span></span><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><a href="http://www.sikhism.us/sikh-gurus/4549-guru-granth-sahib.html" target="_blank">Adi Granth</a></span></span><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> even when he had the opportunity to do so. '</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #5b5b5b">What do you mean by this, please explain. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">She means the so called "Dasam Granth" was not added to SGGS and neither were any of the "rehitnamas".</span></span></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Aad ji can speak for herself. I would like to hear her take on what she wrote. </span></span></strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Archived_Member4, post: 86814, member: 6184"] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Tahoma]Quote:[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]Originally Posted by [B][FONT=Verdana]Singh[/FONT][/B] [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/sikh-youth/22759-hair-and-general-sikh-philosophy-study-post86723.html#post86723"][IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME~1/HP_ADM~1/LOCALS~1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif[/IMG][/URL][/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana]The shabad is only talking about hair when one is completely in love with the Lord and before that people are just using the shabad to say hair is not required in [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"][COLOR=#800080]Sikhi[/COLOR][/URL] because of this shabad.[B] And in this shabad there is only one line that talks about hair rest is about duality and love for the Lord.[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [B][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]'Singh ji!! The shabad is only two lines!!!'[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][B]Yes only two lines that you bring up but the whole shabad is more than this. The lines that are above and below it finishes the shabad and the person gets the understanding. Just looking at those two lines misleads a person like you have been mislead; so focused on that one line about hair and trying to prove hair can be cut and forgot to look one line up. Did it ever come to mind to ask yourself has duality and alienation departed from my body and mind? Am I only in love with the Lord or do I still have that duality in my life that from time to time enters me and the lords naam is forgotten even for a millisecond? [/B][/FONT][/SIZE] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Tahoma]Quote:[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]Originally Posted by [B][FONT=Verdana]Singh[/FONT][/B] [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/sikh-youth/22759-hair-and-general-sikh-philosophy-study-post86723.html#post86723"][IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME~1/HP_ADM~1/LOCALS~1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif[/IMG][/URL][/FONT][/COLOR] [I][U][COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana]Either way the shabad does not say keep hair or cut hair.[/FONT][/COLOR][/U][/I] [I][U][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]"You may have long hair or you may shave your head bald"[/FONT][/COLOR][/U][/I][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] ?? That doesn't tell you that you can have cut or uncut hair?[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana][B]Read what I wrote above it examples this one line that you cannot understand alone.[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Tahoma]Quote:[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]Originally Posted by [B][FONT=Verdana]Singh[/FONT][/B] [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/sikh-youth/22759-hair-and-general-sikh-philosophy-study-9.html#post86753"][IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME~1/HP_ADM~1/LOCALS~1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif[/IMG][/URL][/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]'There is no need to take the idea of one jyote and use/misuse this idea to claim that there is a universal mandate among all the Gurus to keep hair'[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#5b5b5b]This is not an idea it is a fact because once again the Shabad [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"][COLOR=#800080]Guru[/COLOR][/URL] tells us it is a fact.[/COLOR][/FONT][/I] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]Please provide quotes from SGGS that back up your "facts".[/FONT][/COLOR] [B][FONT=Tahona][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]I hope this will clear things up for Bhagat ji and Aad ji. [/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [FONT=Tahona][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]THIRD MEHL: There is One Bani; there is One Guru; there is one Shabad to contemplate. True is the merchandise, and true is the shop; the warehouses are overflowing with jewels. By[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahona][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Guru.s Grace, they are obtained, if the Great Giver gives them. Dealing in this true merchandise, one earns the profit of the incomparable Naam. In the midst of poison, the Ambrosial Nectar is revealed; by His Mercy, one drinks it in. O Nanak, praise the True Lord; blessed is the Creator, the Embellisher. || 2 || PAUREE: Those who are permeated by falsehood, do not love the Truth. If someone speaks the Truth, falsehood is burnt away. The false are satisfied by falsehood, like the crows who eat manure. When the Lord grants His Grace, then one meditates on the Naam, the Name of the Lord. As Gurmukh, worship the[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahona][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Lord.s Name in adoration; fraud and sin shall disappear. || 10 || ang 646[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]‘[URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"][COLOR=#800080]Guru[/COLOR][/URL] Gobind Singh ji started this discipline he called "Khalsa". He intiated people into this discipline so they could fight oppression![/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]But Gur Gobind SIngh was smart, what he did was make the [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"][COLOR=#800080]Amrit[/COLOR][/URL] ceremony a ritual (yes a ritual)! This attracted quite a number of people as it seemed very magical to them (and still does). And all [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"][COLOR=#800080]Guru[/COLOR][/URL] Gobind Singh ji really had to do was say was that the water in the bowl would make one(who drinks it) fight millions! And voila!!! We have 21 vs 1000, 40 vs 10000, 2 vs 800 and so on! What power of this simple water and his rebelious discipline!!! It fascinating but it is not to be confused with [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"][COLOR=#800080]Sikhism[/COLOR][/URL]! Well, that's my take on it.’[/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]Thank you for your opinion Bhagat ji. Your opinion clearly shows you do not understand how the Amrit ceremony works and how it is done. But thank you for your opinion I had a fun time reading the fairy tale theories you come up with.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Tahoma]Quote:[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]Now you tell me which Guru did not say keep hair; keep in mind Ika Bani Ik Gur Iko Shabad Vichaar. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]The other 9, even [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"][COLOR=#800080]Guru[/COLOR][/URL] Gobind Singh said keep hair, only to those who were in his new discipline. [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]About that sentence, please post the whole shabad. [/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji made two orders that day one for the Sikh and the other for the Khalsa. The one for the Sikh said Hukam: A Sikh must keep hair and not smoke tobacco. A Sikh must not have sexual relationship outside the marital bond and cannot eat the flesh of an animal killed slowly in the Muslim way or in any sacrificial ceremony.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Tahoma]Quote:[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]So how can you say Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji never said a Sikh must keep hair? [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]'After showing you that shabad by Kabeer ji, I think it's quite obvious how we can say "Sri [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/666-guru-granth-sahib-history-arrangements-text.html"]Guru Granth[/URL] Sahib ji never said a [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"][COLOR=#800080]Sikh[/COLOR][/URL] must keep hair"'[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana][B]Read that shabad over and over and over and over and over again until you actually read, understand and apply the first line of the shabad that you presented, here is the line again.[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=navy][FONT=Tahoma]Kabeer, when you are in love with the One Lord, duality and alienation depart.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][B]And please don’t tell me to read the shabad over and over again for I understand duality has not departed from me and know this shabad will be speaking to me only when duality and alienation do depart.[/B][/SIZE][/FONT] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Tahoma]Quote:[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]Because all the Gurus have one jot living in them; there is no difference from any Guru. Please tell us how many jots existed in all the Gurus? [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]'Ya buddy we all have one jyot in us! Your jyot is no different than the jyot of the Gurus. [/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#5b5b5b]Well the Gurus were all different individuals so 10 individual jyots, and one Main Jyot AKA God.'[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]This is what you think my friend. Please present Gurbani that explains this to back up your claim. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Tahoma]Quote:[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]Present these facts because Guru Gobind Singh ji gave a hukam to the sikhs and the same hukam went to the Khalsa about keep hair uncut and also Guru Gobind Singh Sahib was intaited in the Khalsa by the Panj Pyare, Which would mean Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji would have to keep his hair and not cut or trim it. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]Ok [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"][COLOR=#800080]Guru[/COLOR][/URL] Gobind Singh ji would have definitely started to keep hair when he got intiated. But that doesn't mean he didn't cut his hair before. And it definitely doesn't mean the other Gurus had uncut hair.[/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]Bhagat ji prove it with facts that Guru ji had an hair cut before he created the Khalsa.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Tahoma]Quote:[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]'This is the same [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana][URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"][COLOR=#800080]Guru[/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] whose did not include his bani in the [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/sikh-gurus/4549-guru-granth-sahib.html"](Guru Granth Sahib)[/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana][URL="http://www.sikhism.us/sikh-gurus/4549-guru-granth-sahib.html"]Adi Granth[/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] even when he had the opportunity to do so. '[/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#5b5b5b]What do you mean by this, please explain. [/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]She means the so called "Dasam Granth" was not added to SGGS and neither were any of the "rehitnamas".[/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]Aad ji can speak for herself. I would like to hear her take on what she wrote. [/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [/QUOTE]
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