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ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
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Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="A_seeker" data-source="post: 226941" data-attributes="member: 22047"><p>This article draws on a historical incident supported by some documented sources, so I am equally justified in using historical references to present my arguments.....</p><p></p><p></p><p>Just to recall Harsimrat Badal Akali leader in Parliment angrily in the Lok Sabha said <em>It was our Guru who sacrificed who was beheaded to save your Tillak and Janeau</em> .. And When challenged by a BJP MP that the Gurus belonged to Hindus as well, Harsimrat Kaur angrily rejected the former’s claim and emphasized t<em>hat the Gurus belonged only to the Sikhs. </em></p><p></p><p>A similar narrative was given by Yograj Singh, the father of ex-cricketer Yuvraj Singh durning farmer protest </p><p></p><p><em>During the times when invaders like Ahmad Shah Durrani attacked, countless Hindus women and daughters were abducted and sold for a pittance. It was the Sikhs who risked their lives and fought to save their honor and bring them back.”</em></p><p></p><p><strong>Neither of the above reflects a tone of humanism... instead, they convey more of a tribalistic mindset.</strong></p><p></p><p>It is a historical fact that Aurangzeb’s policies were aggressive Islamisation ,, Destruction of temples,,,Mass conversions (especially in Kashmir).</p><p></p><p> </p><p>Since the author of this article has citied sources from M.A Macauliffe </p><p></p><p>Let me cite from book Vol4 fof the same author : </p><p></p><p></p><p><em><strong>Guru Gobind Rai thus writes of his father:</strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>-He protected the frontal marks and sacrificial threads of</strong></em></p><p><strong><em>the Hindus And displayed great bravery in this Kal age.</em></strong></p><p><strong><em>When he put an end to his life for the sake of holy men, He gave his head, but uttered not a groan.</em></strong></p><p><strong><em>He suffered martyrdom for the sake of his religion;</em></strong></p><p><strong><em>He gave his head but swerved not from his determination.</em></strong></p><p><strong><em>God's people would be ashamed</em></strong></p><p><em><strong>To perform the tricks of mountebanks and cheats.</strong></em></p><p></p><p>Either this passge was missed out from his research or he deliberatley avoided to mention it .</p><p></p><p></p><p>Other source used is Sooraj Peakash Granth by KAvi Santokh Singh ..</p><p></p><p>Now this granth also has verses that indeed consciously identified Gurus sacrifice for Hindu Dharam , rashi 12 :</p><p></p><p><em><strong>ਤਿਨ ਤੇ ਸੁਨਿ ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਤੇਗ ਬਹਾਦਰ। ਧਰਮ ਨਿਬਾਹਨਿ ਬਿਖੈ ਬਹਾਦਰ। ਉੱਤਰ ਭਯੋ ‘ਧਰਮ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ। ਅਤਿ ਪ੍ਰਿਯ ਕੋ ਕਿਮ ਕਰਹਿਂ ਨਿਕੰਦੂ॥੩੪॥</strong></em></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਪਾਸੋਂ ਸੁਣ ਕੇ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਤੇਗ ਬਹਾਦਰ ਜੀ, ਜਿਹੜੇ ਧਰਮ ਨਿਬਾਉਣ ਵਿਚ ਵੱਡੇ ਬਹਾਦਰ ਹਨ, ਬੋਲੇ, "ਸਾਡਾ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਧਰਮ ਸਾਨੂੰ ਅਤੀ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਹੈ, ਇਸ ਦਾ ਕਿਵੇਂ ਨਾਸ਼ ਕਰੀਏ॥੩੪॥</span></p><p></p><p><em><strong>ਲੋਕ ਪ੍ਰਲੋਕ ਬਿਖੈ ਸੁਖਦਾਨੀ। ਆਨ ਨ ਪਈਯਹਿ ਜਾਂਹਿ ਸਮਾਨੀ। ਮਤਿ ਮਲੀਨ ਮੂਰਖ ਮਤਿ ਜੋਇ। ਜਿਸ ਕੋ ਤ੍ਯਾਗਹਿ ਪਾਂਮਰ ਸੋਇ॥੩੫॥</strong></em></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">ਇਹ (ਹਿੰਦੂ ਧਰਮ)ਲੋਕ ਪਰਲੋਕ ਵਿਚ ਸੁਖਾਂ ਦਾ ਦਾਤਾ ਹੈ, ਕੋਈ ਹੋਰ ਧਰਮ ਇਸ ਦੀ ਬਰਾਬਰੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਰ ਸਕਦਾ ਹੈ। ਮਲੀਨ ਮੱਤ ਵਾਲੇ ਜੋ ਮੂਰਖਮਤੀ ਹਨ, ਉਹੀ ਇਸ ਮੱਤ ਨੂੰ ਤਿਆਗਦੇ ਹਨ॥੩੫॥</span></p><p></p><p>There are some persian texts and quote from Dasam Granth as well which refers the guru with hindu identity </p><p></p><p>If you go by historical texts which the article drives its information from there are Hindu identity markers.</p><p></p><p>Yes,Gurus act represents Humanistic values, but Humanistic values arise from specific struggles.</p><p></p><p>At that moment in history, the oppressed community was Hindu.</p><p></p><p><strong><em> And Based on the Historical Sources </em></strong>His sacrifice upheld the <strong>civilizational continuity of the land </strong>which includes Dharmic philosophy, culture, and practices.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="A_seeker, post: 226941, member: 22047"] This article draws on a historical incident supported by some documented sources, so I am equally justified in using historical references to present my arguments..... Just to recall Harsimrat Badal Akali leader in Parliment angrily in the Lok Sabha said [I]It was our Guru who sacrificed who was beheaded to save your Tillak and Janeau[/I] .. And When challenged by a BJP MP that the Gurus belonged to Hindus as well, Harsimrat Kaur angrily rejected the former’s claim and emphasized t[I]hat the Gurus belonged only to the Sikhs. [/I] A similar narrative was given by Yograj Singh, the father of ex-cricketer Yuvraj Singh durning farmer protest [I]During the times when invaders like Ahmad Shah Durrani attacked, countless Hindus women and daughters were abducted and sold for a pittance. It was the Sikhs who risked their lives and fought to save their honor and bring them back.”[/I] [B]Neither of the above reflects a tone of humanism... instead, they convey more of a tribalistic mindset.[/B] It is a historical fact that Aurangzeb’s policies were aggressive Islamisation ,, Destruction of temples,,,Mass conversions (especially in Kashmir). Since the author of this article has citied sources from M.A Macauliffe Let me cite from book Vol4 fof the same author : [I][B]Guru Gobind Rai thus writes of his father: -He protected the frontal marks and sacrificial threads of[/B][/I] [B][I]the Hindus And displayed great bravery in this Kal age. When he put an end to his life for the sake of holy men, He gave his head, but uttered not a groan. He suffered martyrdom for the sake of his religion; He gave his head but swerved not from his determination. God's people would be ashamed[/I][/B] [I][B]To perform the tricks of mountebanks and cheats.[/B][/I] Either this passge was missed out from his research or he deliberatley avoided to mention it . Other source used is Sooraj Peakash Granth by KAvi Santokh Singh .. Now this granth also has verses that indeed consciously identified Gurus sacrifice[B] [/B]for Hindu Dharam , rashi 12 : [I][B]ਤਿਨ ਤੇ ਸੁਨਿ ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਤੇਗ ਬਹਾਦਰ। ਧਰਮ ਨਿਬਾਹਨਿ ਬਿਖੈ ਬਹਾਦਰ। ਉੱਤਰ ਭਯੋ ‘ਧਰਮ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ। ਅਤਿ ਪ੍ਰਿਯ ਕੋ ਕਿਮ ਕਰਹਿਂ ਨਿਕੰਦੂ॥੩੪॥[/B][/I] [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਪਾਸੋਂ ਸੁਣ ਕੇ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਤੇਗ ਬਹਾਦਰ ਜੀ, ਜਿਹੜੇ ਧਰਮ ਨਿਬਾਉਣ ਵਿਚ ਵੱਡੇ ਬਹਾਦਰ ਹਨ, ਬੋਲੇ, "ਸਾਡਾ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਧਰਮ ਸਾਨੂੰ ਅਤੀ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਹੈ, ਇਸ ਦਾ ਕਿਵੇਂ ਨਾਸ਼ ਕਰੀਏ॥੩੪॥[/COLOR] [I][B]ਲੋਕ ਪ੍ਰਲੋਕ ਬਿਖੈ ਸੁਖਦਾਨੀ। ਆਨ ਨ ਪਈਯਹਿ ਜਾਂਹਿ ਸਮਾਨੀ। ਮਤਿ ਮਲੀਨ ਮੂਰਖ ਮਤਿ ਜੋਇ। ਜਿਸ ਕੋ ਤ੍ਯਾਗਹਿ ਪਾਂਮਰ ਸੋਇ॥੩੫॥[/B][/I] [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]ਇਹ (ਹਿੰਦੂ ਧਰਮ)ਲੋਕ ਪਰਲੋਕ ਵਿਚ ਸੁਖਾਂ ਦਾ ਦਾਤਾ ਹੈ, ਕੋਈ ਹੋਰ ਧਰਮ ਇਸ ਦੀ ਬਰਾਬਰੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਰ ਸਕਦਾ ਹੈ। ਮਲੀਨ ਮੱਤ ਵਾਲੇ ਜੋ ਮੂਰਖਮਤੀ ਹਨ, ਉਹੀ ਇਸ ਮੱਤ ਨੂੰ ਤਿਆਗਦੇ ਹਨ॥੩੫॥[/COLOR] There are some persian texts and quote from Dasam Granth as well which refers the guru with hindu identity If you go by historical texts which the article drives its information from there are Hindu identity markers. Yes,Gurus act represents Humanistic values, but Humanistic values arise from specific struggles. At that moment in history, the oppressed community was Hindu. [B][I] And Based on the Historical Sources [/I][/B]His sacrifice upheld the [B]civilizational continuity of the land [/B]which includes Dharmic philosophy, culture, and practices. [/QUOTE]
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