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Gurbax Singh Ji Kala Afghana - A Debate
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<blockquote data-quote="Harjas Kaur Khalsa" data-source="post: 76212" data-attributes="member: 2125"><p><strong>Re: Allegation of sexual abuse by S. Gurbax Singh Ji Kala Afghana Ji.</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">In the above direct quote, a particular moderator is alleging: "</span><span style="color: darkred"><em>I </em></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: darkred"><em>think they (AKJ) will <strong>stoop to any lengths </strong>to <strong>try and discredit him</strong>, rather than challenge his beliefs."</em></span></span></p><p> </p><p>********************************************</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #008080"><span style="color: black">Yet, the <em><strong>slightest hint</strong> of disagreement</em> has led to<em><strong>invective</strong>.</em></span> </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black">I*************************************************</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><em><u>Anyone who goes around erasing words can make them say anything</u></em> *********************************</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span> <em><span style="color: darkred"><em><span style="color: darkred">Yet, the slightest hint of disagreement has led to <strong>invective.</strong> </span></em></span></em></p><p><span style="color: darkred"><em><em><span style="color: darkred">Noun 1: <strong>invective</strong> - abusive or venomous language used to express blame or censure or bitter deep-seated ill will. Language characterized by insult or abuse. V</span></em><a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/vituperation" target="_blank"><em><span style="color: darkred">ituperation</span></em></a><em><span style="color: darkred">, </span></em><a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/vitriol" target="_blank"><em><span style="color: darkred">vitriol</span></em></a><em><span style="color: darkred">. I</span></em><a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/insult" target="_blank"><em><span style="color: darkred">nsult</span></em></a><em><span style="color: darkred">, </span></em><a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/revilement" target="_blank"><em><span style="color: darkred">revilement</span></em></a><em><span style="color: darkred">, </span></em><a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/vilification" target="_blank"><em><span style="color: darkred">vilification</span></em></a><em><span style="color: darkred">, </span></em><a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/abuse" target="_blank"><em><span style="color: darkred">abuse</span></em></a><em><span style="color: darkred"> - a rude expression intended to offend or hurt; &quot;when a student made a stupid mistake he spared them no abuse&quot;; &quot;they yelled insults at the visiting team.&quot;</span></em></em></span></p><p><span style="color: darkred"><em><em><span style="color: darkred"></span></em></em></span></p><p><span style="color: darkred"><em><em><span style="color: darkred"></span></em></em> </span></p></blockquote><p><em><span style="color: black">Here you are erasing words where we name the moderator so that he can own his statements very clearly. No one has spoken rudely, with venom, with vitriol, with bitter deep-seated ill-will in a way to cause anquish. ************************************************* </span></em></p><p> **********************************Yet by his very words and deeds, it is clear KA accuses himself, and Akal Takht Sahib Ji Panj Piare have declared him exscommunicated, not AKJ sangat. <strong>*****************</strong></p><p><span style="color: black"><strong>The only people who have no freedom of speech here are those defending AKJ sangat.</strong> <strong>Why is AKJ being personally attacked over a thread questioning the behaviors of KA? Why is AKJ being scapegoated to avoid the reality that Akal Takht is the sole authority regarding determination of his excommunication?</strong> These are groundless attacks which are unjustified, <em><u>repetitively claimed without evidence</u></em> to back them up. It is a <em>diversionary tactic</em> to smear the reputation of a Panthic Jatha in order to create a smokescreen defense for a declared apostate.</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span> ***************************************</p><p> </p><p></p><p><em>**************************************************</em><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: #0000ff">I think there is a hardcore minority I have encountered in groups like AKJ, GNSSJ, DDT etc that seem to be intolerant of the views of other groups and even mainstream Sikhism. I think we need to step back and ensure we are not going down the line of what other faiths have. The fanaticism in Christianity that resulted in Crusades, Spanish Inquisitions>>>the fanaticism in Islam, Sharia Law, Wahabism etc etc, >>>>these things are what we as Sikhs can learn from and ensure Sikhism does not end up down that route."</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"> And he makes these spurious attacks that mainstream Panthic Jathas which support the authority of Akal Takht are like Crusades and Spanish Inquisition, Sharia and Whabism, Fanaticism, etc. ***********************</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span> <span style="color: darkred"><span style="color: darkred">In his last letter written to Giani Joginder Singh Vedanti, Jathedar, Akal Takht, Mr Kala Afghana had used derogatory language describing him as a ‘liar’ and ‘maha pappi’. Taking serious note of the language used, Jathedar Vedanti said it was unpardonable. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: darkred"><span style="color: darkred">The Sikh high priests said if Mr Kala Afghana failed to appear before Akal Takht by July 10, he would be punished as per the Sikh ‘maryada’. In such a case Mr Kala Afghana could be declared excommunicated from the Panth.</span> </span></p><p><span style="color: darkred"><a href="http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/20030511/main6.htm" target="_blank">The Tribune, Chandigarh, India - Main News</a></span></p><p><span style="color: darkred"></span>[/quote]<strong><span style="color: #00008b">Sri Akal Takht Sahib Warns Kala Afghana Supporters</span></strong></p><p><a href="http://www.khalsaalliance.org/news.php?pagename=index&article=13" target="_blank">http://www.khalsaalliance.org/news.php?pagename=index&article=13</a></p><p><strong><span style="color: #00008b">Sri Akal Takht Calls For Boycott Of Ghugga</span></strong></p><p><a href="http://www.shindasingh.com/blog/2006/10/21/akaal-takhat-calls-for-boycott-of-ghagga/" target="_blank">Shinda’s Spot Akaal Takhat Calls for Boycott of Ghagga</a></p><p><strong><span style="color: navy">Boycott In Effect</span></strong></p><p><a href="http://www.panthic.org/news/125/ARTICLE/2839/2006-10-21.html" target="_blank">Panthic Weekly: AKAL TAKHT SUMMONS GHAGGA AND PARTY, Boycott In Effect</a></p><p></p><p></p><p>By defending and repeatedly airing the views of a censured apostate as "reasonable," attempting to whitewash his tankiya and paint it in a better light by blaming Panthic Jathas for <em>falsely impugning him</em>, for attacking the credibility of Akal Takht for excommunication of Kala Afghana "unreasonable," for defending position of Ghugga, etc, all censured supporters of KA. <strong>*************************</strong></p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Harjas Kaur Khalsa, post: 76212, member: 2125"] [b]Re: Allegation of sexual abuse by S. Gurbax Singh Ji Kala Afghana Ji.[/b] [I][FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=#8b0000][/COLOR][/FONT][/I] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]In the above direct quote, a particular moderator is alleging: "[/COLOR][COLOR=darkred][I]I [/I][/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=darkred][I]think they (AKJ) will [B]stoop to any lengths [/B]to [B]try and discredit him[/B], rather than challenge his beliefs."[/I][/COLOR][/FONT] ******************************************** [COLOR=teal][/COLOR] [COLOR=#008080][COLOR=black]Yet, the [I][B]slightest hint[/B] of disagreement[/I] has led to[I][B]invective[/B].[/I][/COLOR] [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]I*************************************************[/COLOR] [COLOR=black][I][U]Anyone who goes around erasing words can make them say anything[/U][/I] ********************************* [/COLOR] [I][COLOR=darkred][I][COLOR=darkred]Yet, the slightest hint of disagreement has led to [B]invective.[/B] [/COLOR][/I][/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=darkred][I][I][COLOR=darkred]Noun 1: [B]invective[/B] - abusive or venomous language used to express blame or censure or bitter deep-seated ill will. Language characterized by insult or abuse. V[/COLOR][/I][URL="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/vituperation"][I][COLOR=darkred]ituperation[/COLOR][/I][/URL][I][COLOR=darkred], [/COLOR][/I][URL="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/vitriol"][I][COLOR=darkred]vitriol[/COLOR][/I][/URL][I][COLOR=darkred]. I[/COLOR][/I][URL="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/insult"][I][COLOR=darkred]nsult[/COLOR][/I][/URL][I][COLOR=darkred], [/COLOR][/I][URL="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/revilement"][I][COLOR=darkred]revilement[/COLOR][/I][/URL][I][COLOR=darkred], [/COLOR][/I][URL="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/vilification"][I][COLOR=darkred]vilification[/COLOR][/I][/URL][I][COLOR=darkred], [/COLOR][/I][URL="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/abuse"][I][COLOR=darkred]abuse[/COLOR][/I][/URL][I][COLOR=darkred] - a rude expression intended to offend or hurt; "when a student made a stupid mistake he spared them no abuse"; "they yelled insults at the visiting team." [/COLOR][/I][/I] [/COLOR][/quote][I][COLOR=black]Here you are erasing words where we name the moderator so that he can own his statements very clearly. No one has spoken rudely, with venom, with vitriol, with bitter deep-seated ill-will in a way to cause anquish. ************************************************* [/COLOR][/I] **********************************Yet by his very words and deeds, it is clear KA accuses himself, and Akal Takht Sahib Ji Panj Piare have declared him exscommunicated, not AKJ sangat. [B]*****************[/B] [COLOR=black][B]The only people who have no freedom of speech here are those defending AKJ sangat.[/B] [B]Why is AKJ being personally attacked over a thread questioning the behaviors of KA? Why is AKJ being scapegoated to avoid the reality that Akal Takht is the sole authority regarding determination of his excommunication?[/B] These are groundless attacks which are unjustified, [I][U]repetitively claimed without evidence[/U][/I] to back them up. It is a [I]diversionary tactic[/I] to smear the reputation of a Panthic Jatha in order to create a smokescreen defense for a declared apostate. [/COLOR] *************************************** [COLOR=darkred][I][/I][/COLOR] [I]**************************************************[/I][FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=#0000ff]I think there is a hardcore minority I have encountered in groups like AKJ, GNSSJ, DDT etc that seem to be intolerant of the views of other groups and even mainstream Sikhism. I think we need to step back and ensure we are not going down the line of what other faiths have. The fanaticism in Christianity that resulted in Crusades, Spanish Inquisitions>>>the fanaticism in Islam, Sharia Law, Wahabism etc etc, >>>>these things are what we as Sikhs can learn from and ensure Sikhism does not end up down that route."[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=black] And he makes these spurious attacks that mainstream Panthic Jathas which support the authority of Akal Takht are like Crusades and Spanish Inquisition, Sharia and Whabism, Fanaticism, etc. *********************** [/COLOR] [COLOR=darkred][COLOR=darkred]In his last letter written to Giani Joginder Singh Vedanti, Jathedar, Akal Takht, Mr Kala Afghana had used derogatory language describing him as a ‘liar’ and ‘maha pappi’. Taking serious note of the language used, Jathedar Vedanti said it was unpardonable. [/COLOR] [COLOR=darkred]The Sikh high priests said if Mr Kala Afghana failed to appear before Akal Takht by July 10, he would be punished as per the Sikh ‘maryada’. In such a case Mr Kala Afghana could be declared excommunicated from the Panth.[/COLOR] [URL="http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/20030511/main6.htm"]The Tribune, Chandigarh, India - Main News[/URL] [/COLOR][/quote][B][COLOR=#00008b]Sri Akal Takht Sahib Warns Kala Afghana Supporters[/COLOR][/B] [URL]http://www.khalsaalliance.org/news.php?pagename=index&article=13[/URL] [B][COLOR=#00008b]Sri Akal Takht Calls For Boycott Of Ghugga[/COLOR][/B] [URL="http://www.shindasingh.com/blog/2006/10/21/akaal-takhat-calls-for-boycott-of-ghagga/"]Shinda’s Spot Akaal Takhat Calls for Boycott of Ghagga[/URL] [B][COLOR=navy]Boycott In Effect[/COLOR][/B] [URL="http://www.panthic.org/news/125/ARTICLE/2839/2006-10-21.html"]Panthic Weekly: AKAL TAKHT SUMMONS GHAGGA AND PARTY, Boycott In Effect[/URL] By defending and repeatedly airing the views of a censured apostate as "reasonable," attempting to whitewash his tankiya and paint it in a better light by blaming Panthic Jathas for [I]falsely impugning him[/I], for attacking the credibility of Akal Takht for excommunication of Kala Afghana "unreasonable," for defending position of Ghugga, etc, all censured supporters of KA. [B]*************************[/B] [/QUOTE]
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