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<blockquote data-quote="Harjas Kaur Khalsa" data-source="post: 75916" data-attributes="member: 2125"><p><strong>Re: Allegation of sexual abuse by S. Gurbax Singh Ji Kala Afghana Ji.</strong></p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"></li> </ul><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: black">I was drinking tea and you made me choke when I read that a moderator of a Sikh forum said that. Aad0002 panji... Do you believe in Gurbani? See, this is why people like Kala Afghana are so dangerous. They create confusion about Sikh teaching in a very reasonable way. </span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: navy">ਚਿਤ੍ਰ ਗੁਪਤ ਕਾ ਕਾਗਦੁ ਫਾਰਿਆ ਜਮਦੂਤਾ ਕਛੂ ਨ ਚਲੀ ॥ </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: navy">chithr gupath kaa kaagadh faariaa<strong><em> <span style="color: darkred">jam</span>adhoothaa</em></strong> kashhoo n chalee ||</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: navy">The accounts of <strong><em>Chitr and Gupt</em></strong>, the recording scribes of the conscious and the subconscious are torn up, and the <em><strong>Messenger of Death</strong></em> cannot do anything.</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: #000080">~SGGS Ji p. 79</span></p><p></p><p> </p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: darkred">ਰਵਿ ਕੇ ਸੁਤ ਕੋ ਤਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਤ੍ਰਾਸੁ ਕਹਾ ਜੁ ਚਰੰਨ ਗੁਰੂ ਚਿਤੁ ਲਾਵਤ ਹੈ ॥੩॥ </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: darkred">rav kae suth ko thinh thraas kehaa j charann guroo chith laavath hai ||3||</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: darkred">Those who focus their consciousness on the Guru's Feet, they do not fear the judgement of <em><strong>Dharamraj.</strong></em> ||3||</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: #8b0000">~SGGS Ji p. 1404</span></p><p></p><p> </p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: darkslategray">ਨਰਕੁ ਸੁਰਗੁ ਦੁਇ ਭੁੰਚਨਾ ਹੋਇ ਬਹੁਰਿ ਬਹੁਰਿ ਅਵਤਾਰ ॥੨॥ </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: darkslategray"><strong><em>narak surag</em></strong> dhue bhunchanaa hoe bahur bahur avathaar ||2||</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: darkslategray">You are subject to both heaven and hell, and you are reincarnated over and over again. ||2||</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: #2f4f4f">~SGGS Ji p. 214</span></p><p></p><p> </p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: navy">ਐਥੈ ਧੰਧੁ ਪਿਟਾਈਐ ਸਚੁ ਲਿਖਤੁ ਪਰਵਾਨੁ ॥ </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: navy">aithhai dhhandhh pittaaeeai sach likhath paravaan ||</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: navy">In this world, people are engrossed in false pursuits, but in the<strong><em> world hereafter</em></strong>, only the account of your true actions is accepted.</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: #000080">~SGGS Ji p. 21</span></p><p></p><p> </p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: black">What kind of religion are people believing in when they don't accept Sikh teaching but still call themselves a Sikh? Clearly in Gurbani we see Guruji is teaching us about Chitr and Gupt, conscious and subconscious mind, Dharam-Raj, Jums or Jams and here Gurbani talks about the Jamdhoot, Narak-Surag or heaven, hell and reincarnation, and an afterworld. See only someone who thinks he has nothing to fear after death because nothing is there would challenge Gurbani this way as if this Kala Afghana was more authority than Guruji Himself!</span></p><p></p><p> </p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: darkred">ਜਿਤੁ ਦਿਨਿ ਦੇਹ ਬਿਨਸਸੀ ਤਿਤੁ ਵੇਲੈ ਕਹਸਨਿ ਪ੍ਰੇਤੁ ॥ </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: darkred">jith dhin dhaeh binasasee thith vaelai kehasan praeth ||</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: darkred">On that day when the body perishes-at that time, she becomes a ghost.</span></p><p></p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: darkred">ਪਕੜਿ ਚਲਾਇਨਿ ਦੂਤ ਜਮ ਕਿਸੈ ਨ ਦੇਨੀ ਭੇਤੁ ॥ </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: darkred">pakarr chalaaein dhooth jam kisai n dhaenee bhaeth ||</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: darkred">The Messenger of Death seizes and holds her, and does not tell anyone his secret.</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: darkred">~SGGS Ji p. 134</span></p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black">What kind of Sikhism doesn't believe in their own Guru? Nothing in Sikhism says nothing happens after death. Gurbani is very clear. And to all those sceptics and scientific types, these things are real. Let me show you something from a photo. I found these faces when I was examining a photo. I did not put those faces there. I also have many other photos. You may disbelieve, but there are realities beyond what the physical senses can perceive. I had a haunted house, and Gurbani kirtan caused the bhoots to leave. There are many people who have had these experiences which show Gurbani is not just words, but truth. Also I worked for a number of years as a nurse with dying people. And sometimes they would even talk about the other world before they died. So even not knowing Gurbani, I knew these experiences are real. The thing is, they can't be scientifically proven, so it remains a matter of faith and personal experience. I would hope, if we call ourselves Sikhs, disciples of Guruji, that at least we believe in what Guruji says. My great-grandmother was a spiritualist medium. Believe me, our family knows a lot about this kind of thing and has many experiences. The scientists who believe in nothing are going to be in for a big shock. And what this has to do with Brahmanism is beyond me. As for Vaishnava, We all know Sikhism was involving Vaishnav Bhakti and Muslim Sufi saints to create whole new religion. </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Harjas/spiritmirror.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /> </span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harjas Kaur Khalsa, post: 75916, member: 2125"] [b]Re: Allegation of sexual abuse by S. Gurbax Singh Ji Kala Afghana Ji.[/b] [LIST] [*] [/LIST][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black]I was drinking tea and you made me choke when I read that a moderator of a Sikh forum said that. Aad0002 panji... Do you believe in Gurbani? See, this is why people like Kala Afghana are so dangerous. They create confusion about Sikh teaching in a very reasonable way. [/COLOR][/FONT] [CENTER][COLOR=navy]ਚਿਤ੍ਰ ਗੁਪਤ ਕਾ ਕਾਗਦੁ ਫਾਰਿਆ ਜਮਦੂਤਾ ਕਛੂ ਨ ਚਲੀ ॥ [/COLOR] [COLOR=navy]chithr gupath kaa kaagadh faariaa[B][I] [COLOR=darkred]jam[/COLOR]adhoothaa[/I][/B] kashhoo n chalee ||[/COLOR] [COLOR=navy]The accounts of [B][I]Chitr and Gupt[/I][/B], the recording scribes of the conscious and the subconscious are torn up, and the [I][B]Messenger of Death[/B][/I] cannot do anything.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000080]~SGGS Ji p. 79[/COLOR][/CENTER] [CENTER][COLOR=darkred]ਰਵਿ ਕੇ ਸੁਤ ਕੋ ਤਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਤ੍ਰਾਸੁ ਕਹਾ ਜੁ ਚਰੰਨ ਗੁਰੂ ਚਿਤੁ ਲਾਵਤ ਹੈ ॥੩॥ [/COLOR] [COLOR=darkred]rav kae suth ko thinh thraas kehaa j charann guroo chith laavath hai ||3||[/COLOR] [COLOR=darkred]Those who focus their consciousness on the Guru's Feet, they do not fear the judgement of [I][B]Dharamraj.[/B][/I] ||3||[/COLOR] [COLOR=#8b0000]~SGGS Ji p. 1404[/COLOR][/CENTER] [CENTER][COLOR=darkslategray]ਨਰਕੁ ਸੁਰਗੁ ਦੁਇ ਭੁੰਚਨਾ ਹੋਇ ਬਹੁਰਿ ਬਹੁਰਿ ਅਵਤਾਰ ॥੨॥ [/COLOR] [COLOR=darkslategray][B][I]narak surag[/I][/B] dhue bhunchanaa hoe bahur bahur avathaar ||2||[/COLOR] [COLOR=darkslategray]You are subject to both heaven and hell, and you are reincarnated over and over again. ||2||[/COLOR] [COLOR=#2f4f4f]~SGGS Ji p. 214[/COLOR][/CENTER] [CENTER][COLOR=navy]ਐਥੈ ਧੰਧੁ ਪਿਟਾਈਐ ਸਚੁ ਲਿਖਤੁ ਪਰਵਾਨੁ ॥ [/COLOR] [COLOR=navy]aithhai dhhandhh pittaaeeai sach likhath paravaan ||[/COLOR] [COLOR=navy]In this world, people are engrossed in false pursuits, but in the[B][I] world hereafter[/I][/B], only the account of your true actions is accepted.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000080]~SGGS Ji p. 21[/COLOR][/CENTER] [LEFT][COLOR=black]What kind of religion are people believing in when they don't accept Sikh teaching but still call themselves a Sikh? Clearly in Gurbani we see Guruji is teaching us about Chitr and Gupt, conscious and subconscious mind, Dharam-Raj, Jums or Jams and here Gurbani talks about the Jamdhoot, Narak-Surag or heaven, hell and reincarnation, and an afterworld. See only someone who thinks he has nothing to fear after death because nothing is there would challenge Gurbani this way as if this Kala Afghana was more authority than Guruji Himself![/COLOR][/LEFT] [CENTER][COLOR=darkred]ਜਿਤੁ ਦਿਨਿ ਦੇਹ ਬਿਨਸਸੀ ਤਿਤੁ ਵੇਲੈ ਕਹਸਨਿ ਪ੍ਰੇਤੁ ॥ [/COLOR] [COLOR=darkred]jith dhin dhaeh binasasee thith vaelai kehasan praeth ||[/COLOR] [COLOR=darkred]On that day when the body perishes-at that time, she becomes a ghost.[/COLOR][/CENTER] [CENTER][COLOR=darkred]ਪਕੜਿ ਚਲਾਇਨਿ ਦੂਤ ਜਮ ਕਿਸੈ ਨ ਦੇਨੀ ਭੇਤੁ ॥ [/COLOR] [COLOR=darkred]pakarr chalaaein dhooth jam kisai n dhaenee bhaeth ||[/COLOR] [COLOR=darkred]The Messenger of Death seizes and holds her, and does not tell anyone his secret.[/COLOR] [COLOR=darkred]~SGGS Ji p. 134[/COLOR][/CENTER] [COLOR=black]What kind of Sikhism doesn't believe in their own Guru? Nothing in Sikhism says nothing happens after death. Gurbani is very clear. And to all those sceptics and scientific types, these things are real. Let me show you something from a photo. I found these faces when I was examining a photo. I did not put those faces there. I also have many other photos. You may disbelieve, but there are realities beyond what the physical senses can perceive. I had a haunted house, and Gurbani kirtan caused the bhoots to leave. There are many people who have had these experiences which show Gurbani is not just words, but truth. Also I worked for a number of years as a nurse with dying people. And sometimes they would even talk about the other world before they died. So even not knowing Gurbani, I knew these experiences are real. The thing is, they can't be scientifically proven, so it remains a matter of faith and personal experience. I would hope, if we call ourselves Sikhs, disciples of Guruji, that at least we believe in what Guruji says. My great-grandmother was a spiritualist medium. Believe me, our family knows a lot about this kind of thing and has many experiences. The scientists who believe in nothing are going to be in for a big shock. And what this has to do with Brahmanism is beyond me. As for Vaishnava, We all know Sikhism was involving Vaishnav Bhakti and Muslim Sufi saints to create whole new religion. [/COLOR] [COLOR=black][IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Harjas/spiritmirror.jpg[/IMG] [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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