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<blockquote data-quote="Sinister" data-source="post: 106176" data-attributes="member: 2684"><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville Old Face'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Jeeti johal ji,</span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville Old Face'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Good to hear from you. </span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville Old Face'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I think I understand the overarching problem with respect to your beliefs in evolutionary science. If I were to summarize your post and address the crux of your concerns maybe we will come to a better understanding of both our worldviews (which at the time I believe are fairly polar but will coalesce given enough time and effort).</span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville Old Face'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">You believe that there exists a propensity for people to use evolutionary science as a ‘weapon to denigrate’ the holy scriptures of, one would assume, the Abrahamic tradition, and along with it the Morality they teach (or enforce) because of their own insecurities. (to which I say, yes, such people may indeed exist) </span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville Old Face'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">And if this is the case (which I believe it to be), how is attacking or refuting evolutionary theory with arguments going to stop them? (aside from giving agents of opposition more cannon fodder to denigrate your strong beliefs further)?</span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville Old Face'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Is it Stubbornness? (“because an air jab wont win you a boxing match, it’ll just tire you out”)</span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville Old Face'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Unless, of co{censored}, you have significant doubts in the theory yourself…this may have been the reason you labeled it a ‘stupor belief’ designed somehow for binding men rather than liberating them…to which I showed considerable difference. </span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville Old Face'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">If this is about doubt in the theory itself, on some empirical level (which I have feeling it might also be), then the issue can be resolved relatively easily.</span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #333333"> </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville Old Face'">Yes and no. to an extent at which you purpose…perhaps not. The existence of these factions and the level of their awareness about their own group consciousness are all debatable (but lets not get into that). A society organized around a monetary system will eventually lead to greed. Religion and “Technology” (science) will both be used negatively at times to attain power and money (as they always have in the past). Should we settle for this? Perhaps not…the solution lies in ending the monetary system but any good scholar will tell you the impossibility of such a task. In America we have a saying; ‘don’t hate the player, hate the game’. And that is how humanity can be both revolutionary and non-confrontational at the same time…it works wonders and it is embraced in the heart of all non-violent revolutionaries. </span></span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville Old Face'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Yet all this has no bearing on our discussion about the theory of evolution. Darwin published the famous transcript, “Origin of Species”, close to his deathbed (when he could have done it long before). Ironically, he was a deeply religious man and was always troubled with his findings as they were inconsistent with the popular belief system (Christian history as interpreted by Saint Thomas Aquinas et. al). Many of the other scientists that followed suit in Darwin’s footsteps had more than just monetary gain in their crosshairs. Countless paleontologists, anatomists, taxonomists, naturalists, biologists, physiologists, virologists, proteologists, ecologists and geneticists have dedicated entire lifetimes to the pursuit of noble causes all using evolutionary theory via natural selection as a basic framework to launch their studies and experiments (in the process they have proven the theory to be an indispensable part of science). To brush them off as agents of evil or as servants of evil is simply false and unfair. And I thought this worth mentioning in my last post.</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville Old Face'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"> </span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville Old Face'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">It is a worthy cause. Im going to be honest…I like you but the funny thing is I don’t know why.</span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville Old Face'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Contention is not a continuous suspended state in a sane human being or even an enlightened one at that. Contention cannot motivate and without motivation we are not human. There has to be a careful balancing act in order to maintain a healthy mind and to ensure that we do not become placid and lethargic contention must leave us at times. </span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville Old Face'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I think your choices of words are confusing here. Thermodynamic relates to the transfer of heat energy…it cannot be positive/fragrant or toxic, in a scientific sense it cannot be generated by stress. Let us not confuse terminology…unless you have another personalized definition of the term to which I know nothing about. </span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville Old Face'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"> </span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville Old Face'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Well that’s just dandy. Don’t quite that day job. This is the part where you laugh a little. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville Old Face'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">As do I.</span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville Old Face'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Not only the religious but also all holy humans should have that as their goal.</span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville Old Face'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">People have various motivations, many times both good and bad motivations coexist…many times it is a gray area and it cannot be simplified into the dichotomy good vs evil…such is human nature.</span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville Old Face'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The ‘collation of truth’, as poetic a statement as one could make, comes about through a discipline of intense examination and scrutiny.</span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">‘A false belief may be judged harmless and even pleasurable, as may be the case with the benevolent light in which most of us see our minor foibles, few would consider interfering. But clearly there are times when people are dangerously wrong, and we foolishly or ‘unfoolishly’ feel the need to flex our muscles to show someone ‘truth’. </span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Some feel as certain that anyone who does not believe in their deity, their version of the inevitable march of history, or their views of the human psyche deceives himself (the same way an anorexic or alcoholic or a schizophrenic might). Frequently, the more improbable their own views, the stronger is their need to see the world as divided up into those who perceive the self-evident and those who persist in deluding themselves.</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Aiding the victims of such imputed self-deception can be hard to resist for true believers and enthusiasts of every persuasion. If they come to believe that all who do not share their own views are not only wrong but actually know they are wrong in one part of their selves that keeps the other in the dark, they can assume that it is an act of altruism to help the victimized, deceived part see through the secrecy and the self-deception. Zealots can draw on their imputing self-deception to nonbelievers to nourish any tendency they might have to a conspiracy theory. If they see the self—their own and that of others—as a battleground for a conspiracy, they may then argue that anyone who disagrees with them thereby offers proof that his mind has been taken over by the forces they are striving to combat.’ (previous post I have made)</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Source:: <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0000ff">Sikh</span></a> Philosophy Network <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/general-discussion/19366-painting-without-a-canvas.html" target="_blank">http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=19366 (Painting Without A Canvas)</a>Source:: <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0000ff">Sikh</span></a> Philosophy Network <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=19366" target="_blank">Painting Without A Canvas</a> (Painting Without A Canvas)</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="color: black"></span> </span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville Old Face'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"> </span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville Old Face'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville Old Face'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville Old Face'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Some things are over my head…and I usually do not participate in such discussions… don’t you ever feel that? Or do you honestly believe that you can tackle every subject head on?</span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville Old Face'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Define cross-breeding. Because all sexual reproduction is considered cross-breeding (geneticist terminology)…in which case you are right, mutations are created by crossbreeding. But a mutation can be either be beneficial or harmful.</span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville Old Face'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">They are called pluripotent stem cells and no laboratory human has ever been grown with one, nor does the scientific know-how exist at the moment.</span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville Old Face'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I’m not sure you understand. Stem cell research is not interested in developing full grown humans, just human tissues. To put into perspective, stem cells are currently being studied to fix tissue damage, not to produce humans to harvest their organs. ‘Humanoids’ are nothing more than science fiction.</span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville Old Face'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">No data is inconsequential. All data and information is needed in understanding the greater truth.</span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville Old Face'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Take care</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville Old Face'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Sinister.</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sinister, post: 106176, member: 2684"] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Jeeti johal ji,[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Good to hear from you. [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]I think I understand the overarching problem with respect to your beliefs in evolutionary science. If I were to summarize your post and address the crux of your concerns maybe we will come to a better understanding of both our worldviews (which at the time I believe are fairly polar but will coalesce given enough time and effort).[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]You believe that there exists a propensity for people to use evolutionary science as a ‘weapon to denigrate’ the holy scriptures of, one would assume, the Abrahamic tradition, and along with it the Morality they teach (or enforce) because of their own insecurities. (to which I say, yes, such people may indeed exist) [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]And if this is the case (which I believe it to be), how is attacking or refuting evolutionary theory with arguments going to stop them? (aside from giving agents of opposition more cannon fodder to denigrate your strong beliefs further)?[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Is it Stubbornness? (“because an air jab wont win you a boxing match, it’ll just tire you out”)[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Unless, of co{censored}, you have significant doubts in the theory yourself…this may have been the reason you labeled it a ‘stupor belief’ designed somehow for binding men rather than liberating them…to which I showed considerable difference. [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]If this is about doubt in the theory itself, on some empirical level (which I have feeling it might also be), then the issue can be resolved relatively easily.[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=#333333][COLOR=#000000][/COLOR] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=#333333][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=#333333][COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face]Yes and no. to an extent at which you purpose…perhaps not. The existence of these factions and the level of their awareness about their own group consciousness are all debatable (but lets not get into that). A society organized around a monetary system will eventually lead to greed. Religion and “Technology” (science) will both be used negatively at times to attain power and money (as they always have in the past). Should we settle for this? Perhaps not…the solution lies in ending the monetary system but any good scholar will tell you the impossibility of such a task. In America we have a saying; ‘don’t hate the player, hate the game’. And that is how humanity can be both revolutionary and non-confrontational at the same time…it works wonders and it is embraced in the heart of all non-violent revolutionaries. [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=#333333][COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [COLOR=#333333][COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Yet all this has no bearing on our discussion about the theory of evolution. Darwin published the famous transcript, “Origin of Species”, close to his deathbed (when he could have done it long before). Ironically, he was a deeply religious man and was always troubled with his findings as they were inconsistent with the popular belief system (Christian history as interpreted by Saint Thomas Aquinas et. al). Many of the other scientists that followed suit in Darwin’s footsteps had more than just monetary gain in their crosshairs. Countless paleontologists, anatomists, taxonomists, naturalists, biologists, physiologists, virologists, proteologists, ecologists and geneticists have dedicated entire lifetimes to the pursuit of noble causes all using evolutionary theory via natural selection as a basic framework to launch their studies and experiments (in the process they have proven the theory to be an indispensable part of science). To brush them off as agents of evil or as servants of evil is simply false and unfair. And I thought this worth mentioning in my last post.[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]It is a worthy cause. Im going to be honest…I like you but the funny thing is I don’t know why.[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Contention is not a continuous suspended state in a sane human being or even an enlightened one at that. Contention cannot motivate and without motivation we are not human. There has to be a careful balancing act in order to maintain a healthy mind and to ensure that we do not become placid and lethargic contention must leave us at times. [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]I think your choices of words are confusing here. Thermodynamic relates to the transfer of heat energy…it cannot be positive/fragrant or toxic, in a scientific sense it cannot be generated by stress. Let us not confuse terminology…unless you have another personalized definition of the term to which I know nothing about. [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Well that’s just dandy. Don’t quite that day job. This is the part where you laugh a little. :D[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]As do I.[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Not only the religious but also all holy humans should have that as their goal.[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]People have various motivations, many times both good and bad motivations coexist…many times it is a gray area and it cannot be simplified into the dichotomy good vs evil…such is human nature.[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]The ‘collation of truth’, as poetic a statement as one could make, comes about through a discipline of intense examination and scrutiny.[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]‘A false belief may be judged harmless and even pleasurable, as may be the case with the benevolent light in which most of us see our minor foibles, few would consider interfering. But clearly there are times when people are dangerously wrong, and we foolishly or ‘unfoolishly’ feel the need to flex our muscles to show someone ‘truth’. [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Some feel as certain that anyone who does not believe in their deity, their version of the inevitable march of history, or their views of the human psyche deceives himself (the same way an anorexic or alcoholic or a schizophrenic might). Frequently, the more improbable their own views, the stronger is their need to see the world as divided up into those who perceive the self-evident and those who persist in deluding themselves. Aiding the victims of such imputed self-deception can be hard to resist for true believers and enthusiasts of every persuasion. If they come to believe that all who do not share their own views are not only wrong but actually know they are wrong in one part of their selves that keeps the other in the dark, they can assume that it is an act of altruism to help the victimized, deceived part see through the secrecy and the self-deception. Zealots can draw on their imputing self-deception to nonbelievers to nourish any tendency they might have to a conspiracy theory. If they see the self—their own and that of others—as a battleground for a conspiracy, they may then argue that anyone who disagrees with them thereby offers proof that his mind has been taken over by the forces they are striving to combat.’ (previous post I have made) Source:: [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh/"][COLOR=#0000ff]Sikh[/COLOR][/URL] Philosophy Network [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/general-discussion/19366-painting-without-a-canvas.html"]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=19366 (Painting Without A Canvas)[/URL]Source:: [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh/"][COLOR=#0000ff]Sikh[/COLOR][/URL] Philosophy Network [url=http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=19366]Painting Without A Canvas[/url] (Painting Without A Canvas)[/SIZE][/FONT] [/COLOR][COLOR=#333333][/COLOR][COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Some things are over my head…and I usually do not participate in such discussions… don’t you ever feel that? Or do you honestly believe that you can tackle every subject head on?[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Define cross-breeding. Because all sexual reproduction is considered cross-breeding (geneticist terminology)…in which case you are right, mutations are created by crossbreeding. But a mutation can be either be beneficial or harmful.[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]They are called pluripotent stem cells and no laboratory human has ever been grown with one, nor does the scientific know-how exist at the moment.[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]I’m not sure you understand. Stem cell research is not interested in developing full grown humans, just human tissues. To put into perspective, stem cells are currently being studied to fix tissue damage, not to produce humans to harvest their organs. ‘Humanoids’ are nothing more than science fiction.[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]No data is inconsequential. All data and information is needed in understanding the greater truth.[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Take care[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Sinister.[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Baskerville Old Face][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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