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<blockquote data-quote="Balbir27" data-source="post: 214463" data-attributes="member: 21905"><p>“<em>A rose is a rose is a rose is a rose</em>”, by G Stein, means “things <em>are</em> what they <em>are</em>”.</p><p></p><p>If the SGGS calls one a “slave”, then it is simply “<em>calling a spade a spade</em>”.</p><p></p><p>The Banis (Verses) of the SGGS often use this term and the meaning never changes.</p><p></p><p>The Verse you refer to is the Bani ending ||5||1|| on page 525 of the SGGS:</p><p></p><p><em><strong><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕੈਸੇ" target="_blank">ਕੈਸੇ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪੂਜ" target="_blank">ਪੂਜ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਰਹਿ" target="_blank">ਕਰਹਿ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਤੇਰੀ" target="_blank">ਤੇਰੀ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਦਾਸਾ" target="_blank">ਦਾਸਾ</a></strong>॥੩॥ </em></p><p><em>Kaise pūj karahi ṯerī ḏāsā. ||3|| </em></p><p><em>how are Your slaves to worship You? ||3||</em></p><p></p><p>A “slave” is the “property” of someone – Here, it is God, the Creator and the Owner.</p><p></p><p>A slave is subject to, lives and acts within the Commands of the owner (whether they like it or not).</p><p></p><p>The 2nd page of the SGGS says:</p><p></p><p><em>O Nanak, it is written that you shall obey the Hukam of His Command, and walk in the Way of His Will. ||1||</em></p><p></p><p><em>By His Command, bodies are created; His Command cannot be described.</em></p><p></p><p><em>By His Command, some are high and some are low; by His Written Command, pain and pleasure are obtained.</em></p><p></p><p><em>Some, by His Command, are blessed and forgiven; others, by His Command, wander aimlessly forever.</em></p><p></p><p><em>O Nanak, <u>one who understands His Command, does not speak in ego</u>. ||2||</em></p><p></p><p></p><p>My humble thought is that, to remain true to God, to understand and obey his Commands, one has to destroy one’s ego, in this life, before death.</p><p></p><p>For it is the ego which says “<em>I don’t like being called a slave</em>” (<em>I should be called something else which is acceptable to me</em>).</p><p></p><p>For it is the ego which disobeys the Commands of God.</p><p></p><p>Please do not feel offended for that is not my intention, my intention being to <em>try to</em> present the truth,which sometimes is difficult to swallow. <em>I too, have an ego which I am trying to destroy step by step</em>. </p><p></p><p><em><strong><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=32&english=t&id=1350#l1350" target="_blank"><u>Page 32, Line 19</u></a></strong></em></p><p><em>ਕਥਨੀਬਦਨੀਨਪਾਈਐਹਉਮੈਵਿਚਹੁਜਾਇ॥</em></p><p><em>Kathnī baḏnī na pā▫ī▫ai ha▫umai vicẖahu jā▫e.</em></p><p><em>He is not obtained by mouthing mere words, but by rooting out <strong>ego</strong> from within.</em></p><p></p><p><em>(One of the many Verses in the SGGS which refer to ego).</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>As always, I am ever receptive to corrections from those who have enlightenment, for I am but a slave to God and forever a student, a Sikh.</em></p><p></p><p>Sat Sri Akal.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Balbir27, post: 214463, member: 21905"] “[I]A rose is a rose is a rose is a rose[/I]”, by G Stein, means “things [I]are[/I] what they [I]are[/I]”. If the SGGS calls one a “slave”, then it is simply “[I]calling a spade a spade[/I]”. The Banis (Verses) of the SGGS often use this term and the meaning never changes. The Verse you refer to is the Bani ending ||5||1|| on page 525 of the SGGS: [I][B][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕੈਸੇ']ਕੈਸੇ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪੂਜ']ਪੂਜ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਰਹਿ']ਕਰਹਿ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਤੇਰੀ']ਤੇਰੀ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਦਾਸਾ']ਦਾਸਾ[/URL][/B]॥੩॥ Kaise pūj karahi ṯerī ḏāsā. ||3|| how are Your slaves to worship You? ||3||[/I] A “slave” is the “property” of someone – Here, it is God, the Creator and the Owner. A slave is subject to, lives and acts within the Commands of the owner (whether they like it or not). The 2nd page of the SGGS says: [I]O Nanak, it is written that you shall obey the Hukam of His Command, and walk in the Way of His Will. ||1||[/I] [I]By His Command, bodies are created; His Command cannot be described.[/I] [I]By His Command, some are high and some are low; by His Written Command, pain and pleasure are obtained.[/I] [I]Some, by His Command, are blessed and forgiven; others, by His Command, wander aimlessly forever.[/I] [I]O Nanak, [U]one who understands His Command, does not speak in ego[/U]. ||2||[/I] My humble thought is that, to remain true to God, to understand and obey his Commands, one has to destroy one’s ego, in this life, before death. For it is the ego which says “[I]I don’t like being called a slave[/I]” ([I]I should be called something else which is acceptable to me[/I]). For it is the ego which disobeys the Commands of God. Please do not feel offended for that is not my intention, my intention being to [I]try to[/I] present the truth,which sometimes is difficult to swallow. [I]I too, have an ego which I am trying to destroy step by step[/I]. [I][B][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=32&english=t&id=1350#l1350'][U]Page 32, Line 19[/U][/URL][/B] ਕਥਨੀਬਦਨੀਨਪਾਈਐਹਉਮੈਵਿਚਹੁਜਾਇ॥ Kathnī baḏnī na pā▫ī▫ai ha▫umai vicẖahu jā▫e. He is not obtained by mouthing mere words, but by rooting out [B]ego[/B] from within.[/I] [I](One of the many Verses in the SGGS which refer to ego). As always, I am ever receptive to corrections from those who have enlightenment, for I am but a slave to God and forever a student, a Sikh.[/I] Sat Sri Akal. [/QUOTE]
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