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<blockquote data-quote="Kanwaljit.Singh" data-source="post: 158302" data-attributes="member: 14616"><p>Reposting here another article on Sikhnet discussing the same Shabad:</p><p>Source - <a href="http://www.sikhnet.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4719&p=26789&hilit=serpent#p26789" target="_blank">http://www.sikhnet.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4719&p=26789&hilit=serpent#p26789</a></p><p> </p><p>--------------</p><p> </p><p>Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa,</p><p>Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.</p><p></p><p>Quite often the following shabad is interpreted in a way that whatever we do at last moment of life (ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ), that decides which jooni we are going to get in next life. For reference sake, widely accepted meanings of this Shabad are as follows:</p><p></p><p></p><p>ਗੂਜਰੀ </p><p>ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਜੋ ਲਛਮੀ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ॥</p><p>At the very last moment, one who thinks of wealth, and dies in such thoughts,</p><p></p><p>ਸਰਪ ਜੋਨਿ ਵਲਿ ਵਲਿ ਅਉਤਰੈ ॥1॥</p><p>shall be reincarnated over and over again, in the form of serpents. ||1||</p><p></p><p>ਅਰੀ ਬਾਈ ਗੋਬਿਦ ਨਾਮੁ ਮਤਿ ਬੀਸਰੈ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥</p><p>O sister, do not forget the Name of the Lord of the Universe. ||Pause||</p><p></p><p>ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਜੋ ਇਸਤ੍ਰੀ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ॥</p><p>At the very last moment, he who thinks of women, and dies in such thoughts,</p><p></p><p>ਬੇਸਵਾ ਜੋਨਿ ਵਲਿ ਵਲਿ ਅਉਤਰੈ ॥2॥</p><p>shall be reincarnated over and over again as a prostitute. ||2||</p><p></p><p>ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਜੋ ਲੜਿਕੇ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ॥</p><p>At the very last moment, one who thinks of his children, and dies in such thoughts,</p><p></p><p>ਸੂਕਰ ਜੋਨਿ ਵਲਿ ਵਲਿ ਅਉਤਰੈ ॥3॥</p><p>shall be reincarnated over and over again as a pig. ||3||</p><p></p><p>ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਜੋ ਮੰਦਰ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ॥</p><p>At the very last moment, one who thinks of mansions, and dies in such thoughts,</p><p></p><p>ਪ੍ਰੇਤ ਜੋਨਿ ਵਲਿ ਵਲਿ ਅਉਤਰੈ ॥4॥</p><p>shall be reincarnated over and over again as a goblin. ||4||</p><p></p><p>ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਨਾਰਾਇਣੁ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ॥</p><p>At the very last moment, one who thinks of the Lord, and dies in such thoughts,</p><p></p><p>ਭਦਤਿ ਤਿਲੋਚਨੁ ਤੇ ਨਰ ਮੁਕਤਾ ਪੀਤੰਬਰੁ ਵਾ ਕੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਬਸੈ ॥</p><p>says Trilochan, that man shall be liberated; the Lord shall abide in his heart. ||5||2||</p><p></p><p>Some of the issues with current interpretation:</p><p></p><p>1) In second para Gurbani is guiding that anyone who dies with thought of women at last moment, gets reincarnated as prostitute. The issue “Is prostitute a Joon or Profession?”.</p><p>2) If someone still comes back into Manukhi Joon (prostitute) by remembering woman, then there shouldn’t be any problem in doing so, because at the end of the day Gurbani advocates that Manukhi joon is supreme joon. If we can come back to supreme joon by remembering woman and escape the 84 Lakh joon cycle, then what is the problem in doing so?</p><p>3) As per gubani even prostitute (Ganika) can get one to one with Akal Purakh. If prostitute can also attain salvation, then what is the problem in coming back as Prostitute? At least we are saved from becoming animals or tree?</p><p>4) In fourth para Shabad guides us that if we get indulged into materialistic world of making assets then we will be reincarnated again and again as goblin (ਪ੍ਰੇਤ). The first thing to consider is “Does Gurbani believe in goblins”? Even if it believes in goblins, they don’t die (as they don’t have body), then how come they are re-incarnated again and again? If something is not dying, how can it’s born again and again?</p><p></p><p>The better interpretation of this shabad can be achieved by giving a pause before word joni (ਜੋਨਿ) in each line. Sarap (ਸਰਪ), Beswa (ਬੇਸਵਾ), Sookar (ਸੂਕਰ ) and Pret (ਪ੍ਰੇਤ) are the names given to those people who have lived their current life in different aspects of maya and now there process of reincarnations will start. Gurbani has done such comparisons in many others places. For e.g.</p><p></p><p></p><p>ਕੂਕਰ ਕੂੜੁ ਕਮਾਈਐ ਗੁਰ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਪਚੈ ਪਚਾਨੁ ॥</p><p>kookar koorr kamaaeeai gur ni(n)dhaa pachai pachaan ||</p><p>Those who practice falsehood are dogs; those who slander the Guru shall burn in their own fire</p><p></p><p></p><p>ਬਿਨੁ ਸਿਮਰਨ ਭਏ ਕੂਕਰ ਕਾਮ ॥</p><p>bin simaran bheae kookar kaam ||</p><p>Without meditating in remembrance on the Lord, one acts like a dog</p><p></p><p></p><p>ਬਿਨੁ ਸਿਮਰਨ ਗਰਧਭ ਕੀ ਨਿਆਈ ॥</p><p>bin simaran garadhhabh kee niaaee ||</p><p>Without meditating in remembrance on the Lord, one is like a donkey.</p><p></p><p></p><p>ਸੇ ਕੂਕਰ ਸੂਕਰ ਗਰਧਭ ਪਵਹਿ ਗਰਭ ਜੋਨੀ ਦਯਿ ਮਾਰੇ ਮਹਾ ਹਤਿਆਰੇ ॥3॥</p><p>sae kookar sookar garadhhabh pavehi garabh jonee dhay maarae mehaa hathiaarae ||3||</p><p>They are like dogs, pigs and jackasses; they are cast into the womb of reincarnation, and the Lord strikes them down as the worst of murderers. ||3||</p><p></p><p></p><p>Now let’s come back to main shabad and in light of Gurbani try to re-interpret for better meanings:</p><p></p><p></p><p>ਗੂਜਰੀ </p><p>ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਜੋ ਲਛਮੀ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ॥</p><p>At the very last moment, one who thinks of wealth, and dies in such thoughts,</p><p></p><p>ਸਰਪ ਜੋਨਿ ਵਲਿ ਵਲਿ ਅਉਤਰੈ ॥1॥</p><p>O Serpent - Now you will be reincarnated over and over again. ||1||</p><p></p><p>ਅਰੀ ਬਾਈ ਗੋਬਿਦ ਨਾਮੁ ਮਤਿ ਬੀਸਰੈ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥</p><p>O sister, do not forget the Name of the Lord of the Universe. ||Pause||</p><p></p><p>ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਜੋ ਇਸਤ੍ਰੀ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ॥</p><p>At the very last moment, he who thinks of women, and dies in such thoughts,</p><p></p><p>ਬੇਸਵਾ ਜੋਨਿ ਵਲਿ ਵਲਿ ਅਉਤਰੈ ॥2॥</p><p>O Prostitute – You shall be reincarnated over and over again. ||2||</p><p></p><p>ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਜੋ ਲੜਿਕੇ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ॥</p><p>At the very last moment, one who thinks of his children, and dies in such thoughts,</p><p></p><p>ਸੂਕਰ ਜੋਨਿ ਵਲਿ ਵਲਿ ਅਉਤਰੈ ॥3॥</p><p>O Pig – You shall be reincarnated over and over again. ||3||</p><p></p><p>ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਜੋ ਮੰਦਰ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ॥</p><p>At the very last moment, one who thinks of mansions, and dies in such thoughts,</p><p></p><p>ਪ੍ਰੇਤ ਜੋਨਿ ਵਲਿ ਵਲਿ ਅਉਤਰੈ ॥4॥</p><p>O Goblin – You shall be reincarnated over and over again. ||4||</p><p></p><p>ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਨਾਰਾਇਣੁ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ॥</p><p>At the very last moment, one who thinks of the Lord, and dies in such thoughts,</p><p></p><p>ਭਦਤਿ ਤਿਲੋਚਨੁ ਤੇ ਨਰ ਮੁਕਤਾ ਪੀਤੰਬਰੁ ਵਾ ਕੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਬਸੈ ॥</p><p>says Trilochan, that man shall be liberated; the Lord shall abide in his heart. ||5||2||</p><p></p><p>This is not the final decision on the meanings of Gurbani. Gurbani is very deep and not possible for our brains to interpret it in same spirit what Bhagats and Gur Sahibaans experienced.</p><p></p><p>Please feel free to share this if you advocate with the thoughts and also feel free to provide the feedback on this article.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Food for thought: Try to unlock the meaning of Ant Ki Baar. Can gursikhi approve the ideology that whatever we do at last minute will decide the future? If Sikhi is about dying while living, then how come one thought at last moment save the reincarnation? Happy finding !!!</p><p></p><p>Sikhism is about Spiritualism and not Ritualism</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kanwaljit.Singh, post: 158302, member: 14616"] Reposting here another article on Sikhnet discussing the same Shabad: Source - [URL]http://www.sikhnet.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4719&p=26789&hilit=serpent#p26789[/URL] -------------- Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh. Quite often the following shabad is interpreted in a way that whatever we do at last moment of life (ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ), that decides which jooni we are going to get in next life. For reference sake, widely accepted meanings of this Shabad are as follows: ਗੂਜਰੀ ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਜੋ ਲਛਮੀ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ॥ At the very last moment, one who thinks of wealth, and dies in such thoughts, ਸਰਪ ਜੋਨਿ ਵਲਿ ਵਲਿ ਅਉਤਰੈ ॥1॥ shall be reincarnated over and over again, in the form of serpents. ||1|| ਅਰੀ ਬਾਈ ਗੋਬਿਦ ਨਾਮੁ ਮਤਿ ਬੀਸਰੈ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ O sister, do not forget the Name of the Lord of the Universe. ||Pause|| ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਜੋ ਇਸਤ੍ਰੀ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ॥ At the very last moment, he who thinks of women, and dies in such thoughts, ਬੇਸਵਾ ਜੋਨਿ ਵਲਿ ਵਲਿ ਅਉਤਰੈ ॥2॥ shall be reincarnated over and over again as a prostitute. ||2|| ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਜੋ ਲੜਿਕੇ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ॥ At the very last moment, one who thinks of his children, and dies in such thoughts, ਸੂਕਰ ਜੋਨਿ ਵਲਿ ਵਲਿ ਅਉਤਰੈ ॥3॥ shall be reincarnated over and over again as a pig. ||3|| ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਜੋ ਮੰਦਰ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ॥ At the very last moment, one who thinks of mansions, and dies in such thoughts, ਪ੍ਰੇਤ ਜੋਨਿ ਵਲਿ ਵਲਿ ਅਉਤਰੈ ॥4॥ shall be reincarnated over and over again as a goblin. ||4|| ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਨਾਰਾਇਣੁ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ॥ At the very last moment, one who thinks of the Lord, and dies in such thoughts, ਭਦਤਿ ਤਿਲੋਚਨੁ ਤੇ ਨਰ ਮੁਕਤਾ ਪੀਤੰਬਰੁ ਵਾ ਕੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਬਸੈ ॥ says Trilochan, that man shall be liberated; the Lord shall abide in his heart. ||5||2|| Some of the issues with current interpretation: 1) In second para Gurbani is guiding that anyone who dies with thought of women at last moment, gets reincarnated as prostitute. The issue “Is prostitute a Joon or Profession?”. 2) If someone still comes back into Manukhi Joon (prostitute) by remembering woman, then there shouldn’t be any problem in doing so, because at the end of the day Gurbani advocates that Manukhi joon is supreme joon. If we can come back to supreme joon by remembering woman and escape the 84 Lakh joon cycle, then what is the problem in doing so? 3) As per gubani even prostitute (Ganika) can get one to one with Akal Purakh. If prostitute can also attain salvation, then what is the problem in coming back as Prostitute? At least we are saved from becoming animals or tree? 4) In fourth para Shabad guides us that if we get indulged into materialistic world of making assets then we will be reincarnated again and again as goblin (ਪ੍ਰੇਤ). The first thing to consider is “Does Gurbani believe in goblins”? Even if it believes in goblins, they don’t die (as they don’t have body), then how come they are re-incarnated again and again? If something is not dying, how can it’s born again and again? The better interpretation of this shabad can be achieved by giving a pause before word joni (ਜੋਨਿ) in each line. Sarap (ਸਰਪ), Beswa (ਬੇਸਵਾ), Sookar (ਸੂਕਰ ) and Pret (ਪ੍ਰੇਤ) are the names given to those people who have lived their current life in different aspects of maya and now there process of reincarnations will start. Gurbani has done such comparisons in many others places. For e.g. ਕੂਕਰ ਕੂੜੁ ਕਮਾਈਐ ਗੁਰ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਪਚੈ ਪਚਾਨੁ ॥ kookar koorr kamaaeeai gur ni(n)dhaa pachai pachaan || Those who practice falsehood are dogs; those who slander the Guru shall burn in their own fire ਬਿਨੁ ਸਿਮਰਨ ਭਏ ਕੂਕਰ ਕਾਮ ॥ bin simaran bheae kookar kaam || Without meditating in remembrance on the Lord, one acts like a dog ਬਿਨੁ ਸਿਮਰਨ ਗਰਧਭ ਕੀ ਨਿਆਈ ॥ bin simaran garadhhabh kee niaaee || Without meditating in remembrance on the Lord, one is like a donkey. ਸੇ ਕੂਕਰ ਸੂਕਰ ਗਰਧਭ ਪਵਹਿ ਗਰਭ ਜੋਨੀ ਦਯਿ ਮਾਰੇ ਮਹਾ ਹਤਿਆਰੇ ॥3॥ sae kookar sookar garadhhabh pavehi garabh jonee dhay maarae mehaa hathiaarae ||3|| They are like dogs, pigs and jackasses; they are cast into the womb of reincarnation, and the Lord strikes them down as the worst of murderers. ||3|| Now let’s come back to main shabad and in light of Gurbani try to re-interpret for better meanings: ਗੂਜਰੀ ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਜੋ ਲਛਮੀ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ॥ At the very last moment, one who thinks of wealth, and dies in such thoughts, ਸਰਪ ਜੋਨਿ ਵਲਿ ਵਲਿ ਅਉਤਰੈ ॥1॥ O Serpent - Now you will be reincarnated over and over again. ||1|| ਅਰੀ ਬਾਈ ਗੋਬਿਦ ਨਾਮੁ ਮਤਿ ਬੀਸਰੈ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ O sister, do not forget the Name of the Lord of the Universe. ||Pause|| ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਜੋ ਇਸਤ੍ਰੀ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ॥ At the very last moment, he who thinks of women, and dies in such thoughts, ਬੇਸਵਾ ਜੋਨਿ ਵਲਿ ਵਲਿ ਅਉਤਰੈ ॥2॥ O Prostitute – You shall be reincarnated over and over again. ||2|| ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਜੋ ਲੜਿਕੇ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ॥ At the very last moment, one who thinks of his children, and dies in such thoughts, ਸੂਕਰ ਜੋਨਿ ਵਲਿ ਵਲਿ ਅਉਤਰੈ ॥3॥ O Pig – You shall be reincarnated over and over again. ||3|| ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਜੋ ਮੰਦਰ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ॥ At the very last moment, one who thinks of mansions, and dies in such thoughts, ਪ੍ਰੇਤ ਜੋਨਿ ਵਲਿ ਵਲਿ ਅਉਤਰੈ ॥4॥ O Goblin – You shall be reincarnated over and over again. ||4|| ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਨਾਰਾਇਣੁ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ॥ At the very last moment, one who thinks of the Lord, and dies in such thoughts, ਭਦਤਿ ਤਿਲੋਚਨੁ ਤੇ ਨਰ ਮੁਕਤਾ ਪੀਤੰਬਰੁ ਵਾ ਕੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਬਸੈ ॥ says Trilochan, that man shall be liberated; the Lord shall abide in his heart. ||5||2|| This is not the final decision on the meanings of Gurbani. Gurbani is very deep and not possible for our brains to interpret it in same spirit what Bhagats and Gur Sahibaans experienced. Please feel free to share this if you advocate with the thoughts and also feel free to provide the feedback on this article. Food for thought: Try to unlock the meaning of Ant Ki Baar. Can gursikhi approve the ideology that whatever we do at last minute will decide the future? If Sikhi is about dying while living, then how come one thought at last moment save the reincarnation? Happy finding !!! Sikhism is about Spiritualism and not Ritualism [/QUOTE]
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