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<blockquote data-quote="Janpreet" data-source="post: 53290" data-attributes="member: 4734"><p>Thanks musafir ji....</p><p> </p><p>As you were posting reply to my thread, I was searching on internet and I came accross following article :-</p><p> </p><p><em><span style="color: red">According to Hindu mythology clever pandit/Brahmin in Balmiki Ramayan and puranas has divided time into 4 ages or yug. </span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red"></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red">Satyug=1728000,tretayug=1296000,duaparyug=864000 and kalyug=432000.The sum total of all these jugs comes out to be 4320000. And it is believed that this cycle of yugs is continuous and peoples age,behaviour, and even height!!!! Keeps on changing in these yugs.(Gurmat Martand part1, p287, Bhai Kahn Singh Nabha)</span></em></p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: red">Now the point is who calculated these years. If they have to be calculated then someone has to live throughout all these years to count them and that’s not possible. If you ask some sant baba this question, he will say brahmgyani can tell everything and will take us towards Brahmanism from which Guru saab wanted us to have no relation. A very well known Sant even have face to face talk with Kalyug!!! Somebody ask them if kalyug is time then how can it talk, because if it can talk then it has to have tongue and if it has tongue then it means it will have whole body as you can not have tongue by itself. But we listen ,Now neither Santji gave any Gurmat, nor we understood anything </span></em><strong><em><span style="color: red">aakho Satnam shri waheguru!!!</span></em></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: red">But this concept of Kalyug and satyug is not accepted in Gurmat.As per Gurmat Kalyug and Satyug are right here in our life and depends on our actions and deeds. If we do good deeds it is satyug and if we do bad deeds it is kalyug.</span></em></p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: red">Let us see what Guru saab says about kalyug and satyug:</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red"></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red"></span></em><strong><em><span style="color: red">“kal kati raje kasai dharma pankh kar uddarya</span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">Kood amawas sach chandrama deese nahi keh chadya</span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">Hau bhal vikhuni hoyi aadheer raah na koi</span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">Vich haume kar dukh royi kaho nanak kin bidh gat hoyi”(SGGS,p145)</span></em></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">ਕਲਿ ਕਾਤੀ ਰਾਜੇ ਕਾਸਾਈ, ਧਰਮੁ ਪੰਖ ਕਰਿ ਉਡਰਿਆ ॥ ਕੂੜੁ ਅਮਾਵਸ ਸਚੁ ਚੰਦ੍ਰਮਾ, ਦੀਸੈ ਨਾਹੀ ਕਹ ਚੜਿਆ ॥ ਹਉ ਭਾਲਿ ਵਿਕੁੰਨੀ ਹੋਈ ॥ ਆਧੇਰੈ ਰਾਹੁ ਨ ਕੋਈ ॥ ਵਿਚਿ ਹਉਮੈ ਕਰਿ ਦੁਖੁ ਰੋਈ ॥ ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਕਿਨਿ ਬਿਧਿ ਗਤਿ ਹੋਈ ॥1॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 145}</span></em></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: red">Prof sahib Singh : kal: kalyugi sbhaw(behaviour)</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red">The dark-age(kalyugi behaviour) is the scalpel, the kings are the butchers and righteousness has taken wings and flown. In this no-moon night of false-hood, the moon of truth is not seen to rise anywhere.In this darkness of haume this world is crying how to get rid of this.</span></em></p><p></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">“Narad nache kal ka bhau jat sat keh raakhe pau</span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">Nanak naam vitoh kurban andi duniya sahib jaan</span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">Gur paso phir chela khayi taam preet vase ghar aayi</span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">Je so varya jeewan khan khasam pachane so din parwaan</span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">Darsan dekhiye daya na hoyi laye ditte vin rahe naa koi</span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">Raja nyay kare hath hoyi kahe khudai naa mane koi”(SGGS,p349)</span></em></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">ਨਾਰਦੁ ਨਾਚੈ ਕਲਿ ਕਾ ਭਾਉ ॥ ਜਤੀ ਸਤੀ ਕਹ ਰਾਖਹਿ ਪਾਉ ॥1॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਨਾਮ ਵਿਟਹੁ ਕੁਰਬਾਣੁ ॥ ਅੰਧੀ ਦੁਨੀਆ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਜਾਣੁ ॥1॥ਰਹਾਉ॥ ਗੁਰੂ ਪਾਸਹੁ ਫਿਰਿ ਚੇਲਾ ਖਾਇ ॥ ਤਾਮਿ ਪਰੀਤਿ ਵਸੈ ਘਰਿ ਆਇ ॥ ਜੇ ਸਉ ਵਰ੍ਹਿਆ ਜੀਵਣ ਖਾਣੁ ॥ ਖਸਮ ਪਛਾਣੈ ਸੋ ਦਿਨੁ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ ॥2॥ ਦਰਸਨਿ ਦੇਖਿਐ ਦਇਆ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥ ਲਏ ਦਿਤੇ ਵਿਣੁ ਰਹੈ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥ ਰਾਜਾ ਨਿਆਉ ਕਰੇ ਹਥਿ ਹੋਇ॥ ਕਹੈ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਨ ਮਾਨੈ ਕੋਇ ॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 349}</span></em></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: red">Prof sahib singh: Narad : man, Kal : Kalyug</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red">Desire of mankinds are like ghungroos and the attachment to this world is dholki and this man is dancing without lords name .This is what is Kalyug.Disciple is serving guru for his selfishness,If you live for 100 years and remembered lord only on one day that is the day that is parwaa.mankind is not living in harmony,giving and taking bribes is going on,King does justice when he gets some bribe. This behaviour is Kalyug.</span></em></p><p></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">“kal kalaavali maya mad meetha man matwala peevat rahe Aape roop kare buh bhaanti nanak bapuda ev kahe”(SGGS,p350)</span></em></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">ਕਲਿ ਕਲਵਾਲੀ ਮਾਇਆ ਮਦੁ ਮੀਠਾ ਮਨੁ ਮਤਵਾਲਾ ਪੀਵਤੁ ਰਹੈ ॥ ਆਪੇ ਰੂਪ ਕਰੇ ਬਹੁ ਭਾਂਤੀਂ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਬਪੁੜਾ ਏਵ ਕਹੈ ॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 350}</span></em></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: red">Prof Sahib Singh: kal: Kaljugi behaviour, kalaavali: kalalan(sharab vechan vali) ,mad:sharab, bapuda:vichara</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red">The way a kalalan is selling wine and people drink and get intoxicated, the same way is this kalyugi behaviour under the influence of which maya looks sweet and people are intoxicated.Lord is making this different behaviours vichara Nanak can only say this.</span></em></p><p></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">“soi chand chade se tare soi deenyar tapt rahe</span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">Sa dharti so pawan jhulare jug jiye khele thav kaise</span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">Jeevan talab nivar</span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">Howe parwana kare dhyana kal lakhan vichar</span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">Kite des naa aaya suniye teerath paas na baitha</span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">Data daan kare te naahi mahal ussar na baitha</span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">Je ko sat kare so chhije tap ar tap na hoyi</span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">Je ko nau laye badnawi kal ke lakhan ehi”(SGGS, mahalla 1,p902)</span></em></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">ਸੋਈ ਚੰਦੁ ਚੜਹਿ ਸੇ ਤਾਰੇ ਸੋਈ ਦਿਨੀਅਰੁ ਤਪਤ ਰਹੈ ॥ ਸਾ ਧਰਤੀ ਸੋ ਪਉਣੁ ਝੁਲਾਰੇ ਜੁਗ ਜੀਅ ਖੇਲੇ ਥਾਵ ਕੈਸੇ ॥1॥ ਜੀਵਨ ਤਲਬ ਨਿਵਾਰਿ ॥ ਹੋਵੈ ਪਰਵਾਣਾ ਕਰਹਿ ਧਿਙਾਣਾ ਕਲਿ ਲਖਣ ਵੀਚਾਰਿ ॥1॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ਕਿਤੈ ਦੇਸਿ ਨ ਆਇਆ ਸੁਣੀਐ ਤੀਰਥ ਪਾਸਿ ਨ ਬੈਠਾ ॥ ਦਾਤਾ ਦਾਨੁ ਕਰੇ ਤਹ ਨਾਹੀ ਮਹਲ ਉਸਾਰਿ ਨ ਬੈਠਾ ॥2॥ ਜੇ ਕੋ ਸਤੁ ਕਰੇ ਸੋ ਛੀਜੈ ਤਪ ਘਰਿ ਤਪੁ ਨ ਹੋਈ ॥ ਜੇ ਕੋ ਨਾਉ ਲਏ ਬਦਨਾਵੀ ਕਲਿ ਕੇ ਲਖਣ ਏਈ ॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 902}</span></em></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: red">Give up your selfishness,your haume this is kalyug. This kalyug is within your heart and not in any span of time. In all these yugs there is same moon,stars,sun,earth and same air.No one has ever heard that kalyug lives in some specified country,any sacred place.It is not sitting where people donates,nor it lives in any palace.If someone takes lords name people looks down on him, if someone does meditation but his vices are not in control,these bad deeds vices not in control these are the characterstics of Kalyug.</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red">So Satyug, Kalyug are right here. It depends on our deeds and actions.Guru Saab strongly condemned this theory of some time span as kalyug and satyug.Even in satyug, tretayug and duaparyug they have their stories that shows bad character , so how is that Satyug.</span></em></p><p></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">"Ab Kaloo aiyo re ikk Naam Bovho Bovho Aan rutt naahi naahi, matt bharam bhoolo bhoolo gur mile har paye jis mastak hai lekha man rutt naam re gun kahe nanak har hare har hare"(SGGS,p1185)</span></em></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">ਅਬ ਕਲੂ ਆਇਓ ਰੇ ॥ ਇਕੁ ਨਾਮੁ ਬੋਵਹੁ ਬੋਵਹੁ ॥ ਅਨ ਰੂਤਿ ਨਾਹੀ ਨਾਹੀ ॥ ਮਤੁ ਭਰਮਿ ਭੂਲਹੁ ਭੂਲਹੁ ॥ ਗੁਰ ਮਿਲੇ ਹਰਿ ਪਾਏ ॥ ਜਿਸੁ ਮਸਤਕਿ ਹੈ ਲੇਖਾ ॥ ਮਨ ਰੁਤਿ ਨਾਮ ਰੇ ॥ ਗੁਨ ਕਹੇ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਰਿ ਹਰੇ ਹਰਿ ਹਰੇ ॥2॥18॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 1185}</span></em></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: red">Prof Sahib Singh: ab : hun ,manukha jiwan milan te ;kaloo: kaal,sama,naam bijan da sama; aan rutt nahi <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite3" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" />manukha jiwan taun naam bijan da) hor koi sama nahi ; matt; matan;bharam: maya di bhatakna wich paike</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red">you have got this manukha janam so you have got the time to sow the seed of naam.without human birth you can not sow the seed of naam.beware not to go on other path under the influence of maya.but you can get har naam through guru.hey nanak! only those take the naam of hari who has it in their lekh.</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red">before this in rahao of this shabad, guru saab is telling to give up haume and recite lords name.</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red">before this shabad and after rahao, compares this human birth to basant rutt.</span></em></p><p></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">"dekh phul phul phoole aham tyage tyage</span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">charan kamal paage tum miloh prabhu subhage</span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">har chet man mere" (rahao) </span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">sagahn baas koole ik rahe sook kathule </span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">basant rutt aayi parfulta rahe"</span></em></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">ਦੇਖੁ ਫੂਲ ਫੂਲ ਫੂਲੇ ॥ ਅਹੰ ਤਿਆਗਿ ਤਿਆਗੇ ॥ ਚਰਨ ਕਮਲ ਪਾਗੇ ॥ ਤੁਮ ਮਿਲਹੁ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਸਭਾਗੇ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਚੇਤਿ ਮਨ ਮੇਰੇ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ਸਘਨ ਬਾਸੁ ਕੂਲੇ ॥ ਇਕਿ ਰਹੇ ਸੂਕਿ ਕਠੂਲੇ ॥ ਬਸੰਤ ਰੁਤਿ ਆਈ ॥ ਪਰਫੂਲਤਾ ਰਹੇ ॥1॥</span></em></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: red">Prof Sahib singh: phul phul phoole: phul hi phul khide hoye han,khidao hi khidao hai ; sagahn : saghni chaan wale ;baas: sugandhi ;koole:naram,komal; kathule: kaath warge karde (suke)</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red">Give up your haume and look within where there are flowers everywhere(aatmak khidao).hey mann! keep yourself attached to lords feet and keep on reciting his name. when basant comes then trees get soft,scented and gives lot of shelter but, there are certain trees that remains dry like wood.In the same way hey mann! even though you have got this human birth (comparing to sawan rutt) but only those who take lords name can always be khide hoye.</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red"></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red">so now is the time,you have got human birth ab kaloo aayo re--------</span></em></p><p></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">ਕਲਿਜੁਗੁ ਉਧਾਰਿਆ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ॥ ਮਲ ਮੂਤ ਮੂੜ ਜਿ ਮੁਘਦ ਹੋਤੇ ਸਭਿ ਲਗੇ ਤੇਰੀ ਸੇਵ ॥1॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥</span></em></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: red">Guru Sahib teaches us that those persons, who describe the so called Kalyug as a dark-age, in reality this age is very good period of life because the persons, who were considered as fools and bad people are now engaged in the service of True Lord and they have started living within the Command of the Almighty God. (Pause – 1)</span></em></p><p></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">ਤੂ ਆਪਿ ਕਰਤਾ ਸਭ ਸ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਧਰਤਾ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਇ ॥ ਧਰਮ ਰਾਜਾ ਬਿਸਮਾਦੁ ਹੋਆ ਸਭ ਪਈ ਪੈਰੀ ਆਇ ॥ 2 ॥</span></em></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: red">O God! You are the Creator of the Universe, You sustain the entire Creation and You also pervade everywhere. By the Guru’s Divine teachings when all persons have sought the support of the Supreme True Entity, Akaal Purkh was also wonderstruck that all of them have attained emancipation. It would thus indicate that no age is good or bad provided we remain attuned with God. (2)</span></em></p><p></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">ਸਤਜੁਗੁ ਤ੍ਰੇਤਾ ਦੁਆਪਰੁ ਭਣੀਐ ਕਲਿਜੁਗੁ ਊਤਮੋ ਜੁਗਾ ਮਾਹਿ ॥ ਅਹਿ ਕਰੁ ਕਰੇ ਸੁ ਅਹਿ ਕਰੁ ਪਾਏ ਕੋਈ ਨ ਪਕੜੀਐ ਕਿਸੈ ਥਾਇ ॥ 3 ॥</span></em></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: red">O Brothers! Those persons, who are of the view that the ages of Satyug (Golden age), Treta (Silver age) and Doapar (Bronze age) were said to be much better but they failed to understand that in reality the Kalyug (Iron age) is the best of all because in this age the person gets the reward of his labour immediately. Contrary to the old thinking or rituals, now no other person has to pay for the sins of others. As you sow, so shall you reap in this life. (3)</span></em></p><p></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">ਹਰਿ ਜੀਉ ਸੋਈ ਕਰਹਿ ਜਿ ਭਗਤ ਤੇਰੇ ਜਾਚਹਿ ਏਹੁ ਤੇਰਾ ਬਿਰਦੁ ॥ ਕਰਿ ਜੋੜਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਦਾਨੁ ਮਾਗੈ ਅਪਣਿਆ ਸੰਤਾ ਦੇਹਿ ਹਰਿ ਦਰਸੁ ॥4॥5॥140॥</span></em></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: red">O True Lord! Irrespective of any age or region, Yours devotees perform those activities only whatever pleases You because they have sought Your refuge. Through his Fifth Divine Light, Guru Nanak Sahib prays to the Almighty God so that Guru-oriented persons continue to live within Your Command so that they are successful to attain emancipation. (GGS – Page 406: 140)</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red">Our well known Kirtaniya and Sant tells these stories and if someone says against them, then people don’t try to read Gurbani and understand themselves rather say tere naam nal sant nahi lagya .</span></em></p><p></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">" Akli Sahib saviea akli paiea mann.Akli parr ke bujhiaey akli keecheay dann."(SGGS,p1245)</span></em></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red">ਅਕਲੀ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਸੇਵੀਐ ਅਕਲੀ ਪਾਈਐ ਮਾਨੁ ॥ ਅਕਲੀ ਪੜੑਿ ਕੈ ਬੁਝੀਐ ਅਕਲੀ ਕੀਚੈ ਦਾਨੁ ॥(ਪੰਨਾ 1245)</span></em></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: red">Wisdom is that we read and understand Gurbani.</span></em></p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>:-http://singhsabhacanada.com/articles.php?Id=32</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>I am more confused thn before <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite3" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Janpreet, post: 53290, member: 4734"] Thanks musafir ji.... As you were posting reply to my thread, I was searching on internet and I came accross following article :- [I][COLOR=red]According to Hindu mythology clever pandit/Brahmin in Balmiki Ramayan and puranas has divided time into 4 ages or yug. Satyug=1728000,tretayug=1296000,duaparyug=864000 and kalyug=432000.The sum total of all these jugs comes out to be 4320000. And it is believed that this cycle of yugs is continuous and peoples age,behaviour, and even height!!!! Keeps on changing in these yugs.(Gurmat Martand part1, p287, Bhai Kahn Singh Nabha)[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red]Now the point is who calculated these years. If they have to be calculated then someone has to live throughout all these years to count them and that’s not possible. If you ask some sant baba this question, he will say brahmgyani can tell everything and will take us towards Brahmanism from which Guru saab wanted us to have no relation. A very well known Sant even have face to face talk with Kalyug!!! Somebody ask them if kalyug is time then how can it talk, because if it can talk then it has to have tongue and if it has tongue then it means it will have whole body as you can not have tongue by itself. But we listen ,Now neither Santji gave any Gurmat, nor we understood anything [/COLOR][/I][B][I][COLOR=red]aakho Satnam shri waheguru!!![/COLOR][/I][/B] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red]But this concept of Kalyug and satyug is not accepted in Gurmat.As per Gurmat Kalyug and Satyug are right here in our life and depends on our actions and deeds. If we do good deeds it is satyug and if we do bad deeds it is kalyug.[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red]Let us see what Guru saab says about kalyug and satyug: [/COLOR][/I][B][I][COLOR=red]“kal kati raje kasai dharma pankh kar uddarya Kood amawas sach chandrama deese nahi keh chadya Hau bhal vikhuni hoyi aadheer raah na koi Vich haume kar dukh royi kaho nanak kin bidh gat hoyi”(SGGS,p145)[/COLOR][/I][/B] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I][B][I][COLOR=red]ਕਲਿ ਕਾਤੀ ਰਾਜੇ ਕਾਸਾਈ, ਧਰਮੁ ਪੰਖ ਕਰਿ ਉਡਰਿਆ ॥ ਕੂੜੁ ਅਮਾਵਸ ਸਚੁ ਚੰਦ੍ਰਮਾ, ਦੀਸੈ ਨਾਹੀ ਕਹ ਚੜਿਆ ॥ ਹਉ ਭਾਲਿ ਵਿਕੁੰਨੀ ਹੋਈ ॥ ਆਧੇਰੈ ਰਾਹੁ ਨ ਕੋਈ ॥ ਵਿਚਿ ਹਉਮੈ ਕਰਿ ਦੁਖੁ ਰੋਈ ॥ ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਕਿਨਿ ਬਿਧਿ ਗਤਿ ਹੋਈ ॥1॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 145}[/COLOR][/I][/B] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red]Prof sahib Singh : kal: kalyugi sbhaw(behaviour) The dark-age(kalyugi behaviour) is the scalpel, the kings are the butchers and righteousness has taken wings and flown. In this no-moon night of false-hood, the moon of truth is not seen to rise anywhere.In this darkness of haume this world is crying how to get rid of this.[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I][B][I][COLOR=red]“Narad nache kal ka bhau jat sat keh raakhe pau Nanak naam vitoh kurban andi duniya sahib jaan Gur paso phir chela khayi taam preet vase ghar aayi Je so varya jeewan khan khasam pachane so din parwaan Darsan dekhiye daya na hoyi laye ditte vin rahe naa koi Raja nyay kare hath hoyi kahe khudai naa mane koi”(SGGS,p349)[/COLOR][/I][/B] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I][B][I][COLOR=red]ਨਾਰਦੁ ਨਾਚੈ ਕਲਿ ਕਾ ਭਾਉ ॥ ਜਤੀ ਸਤੀ ਕਹ ਰਾਖਹਿ ਪਾਉ ॥1॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਨਾਮ ਵਿਟਹੁ ਕੁਰਬਾਣੁ ॥ ਅੰਧੀ ਦੁਨੀਆ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਜਾਣੁ ॥1॥ਰਹਾਉ॥ ਗੁਰੂ ਪਾਸਹੁ ਫਿਰਿ ਚੇਲਾ ਖਾਇ ॥ ਤਾਮਿ ਪਰੀਤਿ ਵਸੈ ਘਰਿ ਆਇ ॥ ਜੇ ਸਉ ਵਰ੍ਹਿਆ ਜੀਵਣ ਖਾਣੁ ॥ ਖਸਮ ਪਛਾਣੈ ਸੋ ਦਿਨੁ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ ॥2॥ ਦਰਸਨਿ ਦੇਖਿਐ ਦਇਆ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥ ਲਏ ਦਿਤੇ ਵਿਣੁ ਰਹੈ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥ ਰਾਜਾ ਨਿਆਉ ਕਰੇ ਹਥਿ ਹੋਇ॥ ਕਹੈ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਨ ਮਾਨੈ ਕੋਇ ॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 349}[/COLOR][/I][/B] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red]Prof sahib singh: Narad : man, Kal : Kalyug Desire of mankinds are like ghungroos and the attachment to this world is dholki and this man is dancing without lords name .This is what is Kalyug.Disciple is serving guru for his selfishness,If you live for 100 years and remembered lord only on one day that is the day that is parwaa.mankind is not living in harmony,giving and taking bribes is going on,King does justice when he gets some bribe. This behaviour is Kalyug.[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I][B][I][COLOR=red]“kal kalaavali maya mad meetha man matwala peevat rahe Aape roop kare buh bhaanti nanak bapuda ev kahe”(SGGS,p350)[/COLOR][/I][/B] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I][B][I][COLOR=red]ਕਲਿ ਕਲਵਾਲੀ ਮਾਇਆ ਮਦੁ ਮੀਠਾ ਮਨੁ ਮਤਵਾਲਾ ਪੀਵਤੁ ਰਹੈ ॥ ਆਪੇ ਰੂਪ ਕਰੇ ਬਹੁ ਭਾਂਤੀਂ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਬਪੁੜਾ ਏਵ ਕਹੈ ॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 350}[/COLOR][/I][/B] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red]Prof Sahib Singh: kal: Kaljugi behaviour, kalaavali: kalalan(sharab vechan vali) ,mad:sharab, bapuda:vichara The way a kalalan is selling wine and people drink and get intoxicated, the same way is this kalyugi behaviour under the influence of which maya looks sweet and people are intoxicated.Lord is making this different behaviours vichara Nanak can only say this.[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I][B][I][COLOR=red]“soi chand chade se tare soi deenyar tapt rahe Sa dharti so pawan jhulare jug jiye khele thav kaise Jeevan talab nivar Howe parwana kare dhyana kal lakhan vichar Kite des naa aaya suniye teerath paas na baitha Data daan kare te naahi mahal ussar na baitha Je ko sat kare so chhije tap ar tap na hoyi Je ko nau laye badnawi kal ke lakhan ehi”(SGGS, mahalla 1,p902)[/COLOR][/I][/B] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I][B][I][COLOR=red]ਸੋਈ ਚੰਦੁ ਚੜਹਿ ਸੇ ਤਾਰੇ ਸੋਈ ਦਿਨੀਅਰੁ ਤਪਤ ਰਹੈ ॥ ਸਾ ਧਰਤੀ ਸੋ ਪਉਣੁ ਝੁਲਾਰੇ ਜੁਗ ਜੀਅ ਖੇਲੇ ਥਾਵ ਕੈਸੇ ॥1॥ ਜੀਵਨ ਤਲਬ ਨਿਵਾਰਿ ॥ ਹੋਵੈ ਪਰਵਾਣਾ ਕਰਹਿ ਧਿਙਾਣਾ ਕਲਿ ਲਖਣ ਵੀਚਾਰਿ ॥1॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ਕਿਤੈ ਦੇਸਿ ਨ ਆਇਆ ਸੁਣੀਐ ਤੀਰਥ ਪਾਸਿ ਨ ਬੈਠਾ ॥ ਦਾਤਾ ਦਾਨੁ ਕਰੇ ਤਹ ਨਾਹੀ ਮਹਲ ਉਸਾਰਿ ਨ ਬੈਠਾ ॥2॥ ਜੇ ਕੋ ਸਤੁ ਕਰੇ ਸੋ ਛੀਜੈ ਤਪ ਘਰਿ ਤਪੁ ਨ ਹੋਈ ॥ ਜੇ ਕੋ ਨਾਉ ਲਏ ਬਦਨਾਵੀ ਕਲਿ ਕੇ ਲਖਣ ਏਈ ॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 902}[/COLOR][/I][/B] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red]Give up your selfishness,your haume this is kalyug. This kalyug is within your heart and not in any span of time. In all these yugs there is same moon,stars,sun,earth and same air.No one has ever heard that kalyug lives in some specified country,any sacred place.It is not sitting where people donates,nor it lives in any palace.If someone takes lords name people looks down on him, if someone does meditation but his vices are not in control,these bad deeds vices not in control these are the characterstics of Kalyug.[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red]So Satyug, Kalyug are right here. It depends on our deeds and actions.Guru Saab strongly condemned this theory of some time span as kalyug and satyug.Even in satyug, tretayug and duaparyug they have their stories that shows bad character , so how is that Satyug.[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I][B][I][COLOR=red]"Ab Kaloo aiyo re ikk Naam Bovho Bovho Aan rutt naahi naahi, matt bharam bhoolo bhoolo gur mile har paye jis mastak hai lekha man rutt naam re gun kahe nanak har hare har hare"(SGGS,p1185)[/COLOR][/I][/B] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I][B][I][COLOR=red]ਅਬ ਕਲੂ ਆਇਓ ਰੇ ॥ ਇਕੁ ਨਾਮੁ ਬੋਵਹੁ ਬੋਵਹੁ ॥ ਅਨ ਰੂਤਿ ਨਾਹੀ ਨਾਹੀ ॥ ਮਤੁ ਭਰਮਿ ਭੂਲਹੁ ਭੂਲਹੁ ॥ ਗੁਰ ਮਿਲੇ ਹਰਿ ਪਾਏ ॥ ਜਿਸੁ ਮਸਤਕਿ ਹੈ ਲੇਖਾ ॥ ਮਨ ਰੁਤਿ ਨਾਮ ਰੇ ॥ ਗੁਨ ਕਹੇ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਰਿ ਹਰੇ ਹਰਿ ਹਰੇ ॥2॥18॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 1185}[/COLOR][/I][/B] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red]Prof Sahib Singh: ab : hun ,manukha jiwan milan te ;kaloo: kaal,sama,naam bijan da sama; aan rutt nahi :(manukha jiwan taun naam bijan da) hor koi sama nahi ; matt; matan;bharam: maya di bhatakna wich paike[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red]you have got this manukha janam so you have got the time to sow the seed of naam.without human birth you can not sow the seed of naam.beware not to go on other path under the influence of maya.but you can get har naam through guru.hey nanak! only those take the naam of hari who has it in their lekh.[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red]before this in rahao of this shabad, guru saab is telling to give up haume and recite lords name. before this shabad and after rahao, compares this human birth to basant rutt.[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I][B][I][COLOR=red]"dekh phul phul phoole aham tyage tyage charan kamal paage tum miloh prabhu subhage har chet man mere" (rahao) sagahn baas koole ik rahe sook kathule basant rutt aayi parfulta rahe"[/COLOR][/I][/B] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I][B][I][COLOR=red]ਦੇਖੁ ਫੂਲ ਫੂਲ ਫੂਲੇ ॥ ਅਹੰ ਤਿਆਗਿ ਤਿਆਗੇ ॥ ਚਰਨ ਕਮਲ ਪਾਗੇ ॥ ਤੁਮ ਮਿਲਹੁ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਸਭਾਗੇ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਚੇਤਿ ਮਨ ਮੇਰੇ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ਸਘਨ ਬਾਸੁ ਕੂਲੇ ॥ ਇਕਿ ਰਹੇ ਸੂਕਿ ਕਠੂਲੇ ॥ ਬਸੰਤ ਰੁਤਿ ਆਈ ॥ ਪਰਫੂਲਤਾ ਰਹੇ ॥1॥[/COLOR][/I][/B] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red]Prof Sahib singh: phul phul phoole: phul hi phul khide hoye han,khidao hi khidao hai ; sagahn : saghni chaan wale ;baas: sugandhi ;koole:naram,komal; kathule: kaath warge karde (suke)[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red]Give up your haume and look within where there are flowers everywhere(aatmak khidao).hey mann! keep yourself attached to lords feet and keep on reciting his name. when basant comes then trees get soft,scented and gives lot of shelter but, there are certain trees that remains dry like wood.In the same way hey mann! even though you have got this human birth (comparing to sawan rutt) but only those who take lords name can always be khide hoye. so now is the time,you have got human birth ab kaloo aayo re--------[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I][B][I][COLOR=red]ਕਲਿਜੁਗੁ ਉਧਾਰਿਆ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ॥ ਮਲ ਮੂਤ ਮੂੜ ਜਿ ਮੁਘਦ ਹੋਤੇ ਸਭਿ ਲਗੇ ਤੇਰੀ ਸੇਵ ॥1॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥[/COLOR][/I][/B] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red]Guru Sahib teaches us that those persons, who describe the so called Kalyug as a dark-age, in reality this age is very good period of life because the persons, who were considered as fools and bad people are now engaged in the service of True Lord and they have started living within the Command of the Almighty God. (Pause – 1)[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I][B][I][COLOR=red]ਤੂ ਆਪਿ ਕਰਤਾ ਸਭ ਸ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਧਰਤਾ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਇ ॥ ਧਰਮ ਰਾਜਾ ਬਿਸਮਾਦੁ ਹੋਆ ਸਭ ਪਈ ਪੈਰੀ ਆਇ ॥ 2 ॥[/COLOR][/I][/B] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red]O God! You are the Creator of the Universe, You sustain the entire Creation and You also pervade everywhere. By the Guru’s Divine teachings when all persons have sought the support of the Supreme True Entity, Akaal Purkh was also wonderstruck that all of them have attained emancipation. It would thus indicate that no age is good or bad provided we remain attuned with God. (2)[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I][B][I][COLOR=red]ਸਤਜੁਗੁ ਤ੍ਰੇਤਾ ਦੁਆਪਰੁ ਭਣੀਐ ਕਲਿਜੁਗੁ ਊਤਮੋ ਜੁਗਾ ਮਾਹਿ ॥ ਅਹਿ ਕਰੁ ਕਰੇ ਸੁ ਅਹਿ ਕਰੁ ਪਾਏ ਕੋਈ ਨ ਪਕੜੀਐ ਕਿਸੈ ਥਾਇ ॥ 3 ॥[/COLOR][/I][/B] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red]O Brothers! Those persons, who are of the view that the ages of Satyug (Golden age), Treta (Silver age) and Doapar (Bronze age) were said to be much better but they failed to understand that in reality the Kalyug (Iron age) is the best of all because in this age the person gets the reward of his labour immediately. Contrary to the old thinking or rituals, now no other person has to pay for the sins of others. As you sow, so shall you reap in this life. (3)[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I][B][I][COLOR=red]ਹਰਿ ਜੀਉ ਸੋਈ ਕਰਹਿ ਜਿ ਭਗਤ ਤੇਰੇ ਜਾਚਹਿ ਏਹੁ ਤੇਰਾ ਬਿਰਦੁ ॥ ਕਰਿ ਜੋੜਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਦਾਨੁ ਮਾਗੈ ਅਪਣਿਆ ਸੰਤਾ ਦੇਹਿ ਹਰਿ ਦਰਸੁ ॥4॥5॥140॥[/COLOR][/I][/B] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red]O True Lord! Irrespective of any age or region, Yours devotees perform those activities only whatever pleases You because they have sought Your refuge. Through his Fifth Divine Light, Guru Nanak Sahib prays to the Almighty God so that Guru-oriented persons continue to live within Your Command so that they are successful to attain emancipation. (GGS – Page 406: 140)[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red]Our well known Kirtaniya and Sant tells these stories and if someone says against them, then people don’t try to read Gurbani and understand themselves rather say tere naam nal sant nahi lagya .[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I][B][I][COLOR=red]" Akli Sahib saviea akli paiea mann.Akli parr ke bujhiaey akli keecheay dann."(SGGS,p1245)[/COLOR][/I][/B] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I][B][I][COLOR=red]ਅਕਲੀ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਸੇਵੀਐ ਅਕਲੀ ਪਾਈਐ ਮਾਨੁ ॥ ਅਕਲੀ ਪੜੑਿ ਕੈ ਬੁਝੀਐ ਅਕਲੀ ਕੀਚੈ ਦਾਨੁ ॥(ਪੰਨਾ 1245)[/COLOR][/I][/B] [I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red]Wisdom is that we read and understand Gurbani.[/COLOR][/I] :-http://singhsabhacanada.com/articles.php?Id=32 I am more confused thn before :( [/QUOTE]
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