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<blockquote data-quote="Randip Singh" data-source="post: 57077" data-attributes="member: 1323"><p><span style="color: blue"></span></p><p> <span style="color: blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="color: black">Ironic you recognise that egotism is the cause of the problem yet you state that the vegetarian diet is somehow better than a non-vegetarian one. That is pure egotism, and is something our Guru's addressed head on:</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000">Page 1289 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji </span></span></strong></span></p><p> <span style="color: blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><em><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #ff0000">First Mehl:</span></span></em></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><em><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #ff0000">The fools argue about flesh and meat, but they know nothing about meditation and spiritual wisdom.</span></span></em></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">What is called meat, and what is called green vegetables? What leads to sin?</span></span></em></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><strong></strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">It was the habit of the gods to kill the rhinoceros, and make a feast of the burnt offering.</span></span></em></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Those who renounce meat, and hold their noses when sitting near it, devour men at night.</span></span></em></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">They practice hypocrisy, and make a show before other people, but they do not understand anything about meditation or spiritual wisdom.</span></span></em></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><strong></strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">O Nanak, what can be said to the blind people? They cannot answer, or even understand what is said.</span></span></em></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">They alone are blind, who act blindly. They have no eyes in their hearts.</span></span></em></span></p><p> <span style="color: blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="color: black">Sadana was</span> <span style="color: black">a butcher who slaughtered animals yet his</span><span style="color: black"> philosophy was included within Bani. If Sikhism thought so lowly of those that killed animals their Bani would have been excluded. Bhagat Ravi Das too slaughtered animals for their leather? Should his Bani be excluded? According to your Youtube videos Bhagat Sadana and Bhagat Ravi Das would be eternal sinners.</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"></span></p><p> </p><p>What makes these animals so innocent? What is your reason behind this? In any case are plants not innocent?</p><p> </p><p>What about plant eaters? According to Bani below one can be a plant in one life then human the next, surely you are commiting a sin by eating plants then....read on:</p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>On page 176 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, the following is written: </strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong></strong><em><span style="color: red">ga-orhee gu-aarayree mehlaa 5.</span></em></span></p><p><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ka-ee janam bha-ay keet patangaa.</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ka-ee janam gaj meen kurangaa.</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ka-ee janam pankhee sarap ho-i-o.</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ka-ee janam haivar barikh jo-i-o.</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">mil jagdees milan kee baree-aa</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">. <em>chirankaal ih dayh sanjaree-aa.</em> rahaa-o. </span></span></p><p><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ka-ee janam sail gir kari-aa.</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ka-ee janam garabh hir khari-aa.</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ka-ee janam saakh kar upaa-i-aa.</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">lakh cha-oraaseeh jon bharmaa-i-aa.</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">saaDhsang bha-i-o janam paraapat.</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kar sayvaa bhaj har har gurmat.</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ti-aag maan jhooth abhimaan.</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">jeevat mareh dargeh parvaan.</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">avar na doojaa karnai jog.</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">taa milee-ai jaa laihi milaa-ay.</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kaho naanak har har gun gaa-ay.</span></span></em></p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Gauree Gwaarayree, Fifth Mehl</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">: </span></span></p><p><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">In so many incarnations, you were a worm and an insect;</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">in so many incarnations, you were an elephant, a fish and a deer.</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">In so many incarnations, you were a bird and a snake.</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">In so many incarnations, you were yoked as an ox and a horse.</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Meet the Lord of the Universe - now is the time to meet Him</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">.</span></span></p><p><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">After so very long, this human body was fashioned for you.</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> Pause </span></span></p><p><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">In so many incarnations, you were rocks and mountains;</span></span></em></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">in so many incarnations, you were aborted in the womb;</span></span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">in so many incarnations, you developed branches and leaves;</span></span></em></strong></p><p><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">you wandered through 8.4 million incarnations.</span></span></em></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Through the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, you obtained this human life.</span></span></em></strong></p><p><strong></strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Do seva - selfless service; follow the Guru's Teachings, and vibrate the Lord's Name, Har, Har.</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Abandon pride, falsehood and arrogance.</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Remain dead while yet alive, and you shall be welcomed in the Court of the Lord.</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Whatever has been, and whatever shall be, comes from You, Lord.</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">No one else can do anything at all.</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">We are united with You, when You unite us with Yourself.</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Says Nanak, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, Har, Har.</span></span></em></p><p><strong><span style="color: yellow"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: blue">Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji</span> </span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black">In this case an aborted innocent baby becomes a plant in their next life and then become human. Are you not commiting a sin in killing that plant?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Guruji describes planst as feeling pain:</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Page 143 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">mehlaa 1.</span></span></em></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">vaykh je mithaa kati-aa kat kut baDhaa paa-ay.</span></span></em></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">khundhaa andar rakh kai dayn so mal sajaa-ay.</span></span></em></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ras kas tatar paa-ee-ai tapai tai villaa-ay.</span></span></em></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">bhee so fog samaalee-ai dichai ag jaalaa-ay.</span></span></em></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">naanak mithai patree-ai vaykhhu lokaa aa-ay.</span></span></em></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">First Mehl:</span></span></em></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Look, and see how the sugar-cane is cut down. After cutting away its branches, its feet are bound together into bundles,</span></span></em></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">and then, it is placed between the wooden rollers and crushed.</span></span></em></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">What punishment is inflicted upon it! Its juice is extracted and placed in the cauldron; as it is heated, it groans and cries out.</span></span></em></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">And then, the crushed cane is collected and burnt in the fire below.</span></span></em></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Nanak: come, people, and see how the sweet sugar-cane is treated!</span></span></em></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: yellow"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: blue">Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji</span> </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">If poor plants end up like this then what of the fate of eaters of plant flesh? What will their fate be?</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Randip Singh, post: 57077, member: 1323"] [COLOR=blue] [COLOR=black]Ironic you recognise that egotism is the cause of the problem yet you state that the vegetarian diet is somehow better than a non-vegetarian one. That is pure egotism, and is something our Guru's addressed head on:[/COLOR] [B][FONT=Arial][COLOR=#000000]Page 1289 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji [/COLOR][/FONT][/B] [I][FONT=Arial][COLOR=#ff0000]First Mehl: The fools argue about flesh and meat, but they know nothing about meditation and spiritual wisdom.[/COLOR][/FONT][/I] [B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]What is called meat, and what is called green vegetables? What leads to sin?[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [/B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]It was the habit of the gods to kill the rhinoceros, and make a feast of the burnt offering.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Those who renounce meat, and hold their noses when sitting near it, devour men at night.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]They practice hypocrisy, and make a show before other people, but they do not understand anything about meditation or spiritual wisdom.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [/B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]O Nanak, what can be said to the blind people? They cannot answer, or even understand what is said.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]They alone are blind, who act blindly. They have no eyes in their hearts.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=black]Sadana was[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]a butcher who slaughtered animals yet his[/COLOR][COLOR=black] philosophy was included within Bani. If Sikhism thought so lowly of those that killed animals their Bani would have been excluded. Bhagat Ravi Das too slaughtered animals for their leather? Should his Bani be excluded? According to your Youtube videos Bhagat Sadana and Bhagat Ravi Das would be eternal sinners.[/COLOR] [/COLOR] What makes these animals so innocent? What is your reason behind this? In any case are plants not innocent? What about plant eaters? According to Bani below one can be a plant in one life then human the next, surely you are commiting a sin by eating plants then....read on: [FONT=Arial][B]On page 176 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, the following is written: [/B][I][COLOR=red]ga-orhee gu-aarayree mehlaa 5.[/COLOR][/I][/FONT] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ka-ee janam bha-ay keet patangaa.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ka-ee janam gaj meen kurangaa.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ka-ee janam pankhee sarap ho-i-o.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ka-ee janam haivar barikh jo-i-o.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]mil jagdees milan kee baree-aa[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]. [I]chirankaal ih dayh sanjaree-aa.[/I] rahaa-o. [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ka-ee janam sail gir kari-aa.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ka-ee janam garabh hir khari-aa.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ka-ee janam saakh kar upaa-i-aa.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]lakh cha-oraaseeh jon bharmaa-i-aa.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]saaDhsang bha-i-o janam paraapat.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kar sayvaa bhaj har har gurmat.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ti-aag maan jhooth abhimaan.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]jeevat mareh dargeh parvaan.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]avar na doojaa karnai jog.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]taa milee-ai jaa laihi milaa-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kaho naanak har har gun gaa-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Gauree Gwaarayree, Fifth Mehl[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]: [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]In so many incarnations, you were a worm and an insect;[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]in so many incarnations, you were an elephant, a fish and a deer.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]In so many incarnations, you were a bird and a snake.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]In so many incarnations, you were yoked as an ox and a horse.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Meet the Lord of the Universe - now is the time to meet Him[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial].[/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]After so very long, this human body was fashioned for you.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] Pause [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]In so many incarnations, you were rocks and mountains;[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]in so many incarnations, you were aborted in the womb;[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]in so many incarnations, you developed branches and leaves;[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]you wandered through 8.4 million incarnations.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Through the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, you obtained this human life.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [/B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Do seva - selfless service; follow the Guru's Teachings, and vibrate the Lord's Name, Har, Har.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Abandon pride, falsehood and arrogance.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Remain dead while yet alive, and you shall be welcomed in the Court of the Lord.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Whatever has been, and whatever shall be, comes from You, Lord.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]No one else can do anything at all.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]We are united with You, when You unite us with Yourself.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Says Nanak, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, Har, Har.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [B][COLOR=yellow][FONT=Arial][COLOR=blue]Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji[/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/B] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=black]In this case an aborted innocent baby becomes a plant in their next life and then become human. Are you not commiting a sin in killing that plant?[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Guruji describes planst as feeling pain:[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Page 143 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]mehlaa 1.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]vaykh je mithaa kati-aa kat kut baDhaa paa-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]khundhaa andar rakh kai dayn so mal sajaa-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ras kas tatar paa-ee-ai tapai tai villaa-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]bhee so fog samaalee-ai dichai ag jaalaa-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]naanak mithai patree-ai vaykhhu lokaa aa-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]First Mehl:[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Look, and see how the sugar-cane is cut down. After cutting away its branches, its feet are bound together into bundles,[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]and then, it is placed between the wooden rollers and crushed.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]What punishment is inflicted upon it! Its juice is extracted and placed in the cauldron; as it is heated, it groans and cries out.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]And then, the crushed cane is collected and burnt in the fire below.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Nanak: come, people, and see how the sweet sugar-cane is treated![/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=yellow][FONT=Arial][COLOR=blue]Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji[/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][/FONT] [FONT=Arial]If poor plants end up like this then what of the fate of eaters of plant flesh? What will their fate be?[/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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