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<blockquote data-quote="ekmusafir_ajnabi" data-source="post: 50428" data-attributes="member: 4318"><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">FOOLS WHO WRANGLE OVER FLESH </span></span><span style="color: black"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Manmat Explanation of the Originator of this Article:</span></span></em></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Salok mehlaa 1.</span></span></em></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kal ho-ee kutay muhee khaaj ho-aa murdaar.</span></span></em></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">koorh bol bol bha-ukanaa chookaa Dharam beechaar.</span></span></em></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">jin jeevandi-aa pat nahee mu-i-aa mandee so-ay.</span></span></em></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">likhi-aa hovai naankaa kartaa karay so ho-ay.</span></span></em></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Shalok, First Mehl:</span></span></em></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">In this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, people have faces like dogs; they eat <u>rotting carcasses </u>for food.</span></span></em></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">They bark and speak, telling only lies; all thought of righteousness has left them.</span></span></em></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Those who have no honor while alive, will have an evil reputation after they die.</span></span></em></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Whatever is predestined, happens, O Nanak; whatever the Creator does, comes to pass.</span></span></em></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>Rotting Carcasse – This is not the meaning of Murdaar.</strong></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>Furthermore a very crucial word has been very cleverly omitted from the interpretation</strong></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>“</strong></span></span><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">khaaj” – </span></span></em></strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>meaning favourite</strong></span></span></em></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>Let us see what Murdaar means:</strong></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Ref: Encyclopedia of Sikh Literature - Mahankosh - Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">defines Murdaar as follows:</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Loth – Shav – Dead body</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Svastkar te Soorveerta rehat - ……….and without bravery?</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Pran rehet deh - Body without life</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Apwitter cheez – Impure item</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Dharam anusaar na khane yogya – Not worthy of eating according to Dharmic values</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Haraam – Forbidden, Famous </span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Vaddi – Money not earned by honest means </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">There are many more……………</span></span></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>Shalok</strong></span></span></em></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਲੋਕ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੧</span> <span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਲਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹੋਈ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੁਤੇ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮੁਹੀ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਖਾਜੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹੋਆ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮੁਰਦਾਰੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੂੜੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬੋਲਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬੋਲਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਉਕਣਾ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚੂਕਾ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਧਰਮੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬੀਚਾਰੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਿਨ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੀਵੰਦਿਆ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪਤਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਹੀ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮੁਇਆ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮੰਦੀ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੋਇ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਲਿਖਿਆ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹੋਵੈ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਾਨਕਾ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਰਤਾ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਰੇ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹੋਇ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੧॥</span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> {</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪੰਨਾ</span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> 1242}</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: purple"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Meanings of words used:</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: purple"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Kal – Kalyug , Kutay muhee – faces like dogs , Murdaar – Dead bodies, Khaj – favourite Koorh – lies, Chooka – finished, passed away, Patt – respect, Soa – honour, Mandee soa – evil reputation, Likhaa hove – predestined, </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: purple"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Now let us put this the translations together as per the Shalok</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Shalok, First Mehl:</span></span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kal ho-ee kutay muhee khaaj ho-aa murdaar.</span></span></em></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">In this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, people have faces like dogs; their favourite food is a dead body</span></span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: #ff9900"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">(What I ask you is the favourite food of a dog. Is it Makki di roti and sarson da saag?, Is it another vegetarian dish? or Is a by dead body – meaning flesh- meaning MEAT)</span></span></em></strong> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>Is this not a mis-interpretation of the Verse. Important information left on purpose to mis-lead people to suit your agenda. Disgraceful. This cannot be the work of a sikh.</strong></span></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">They bark repeatedly and speak, telling only lies; all thought of righteousness has left them.</span></span></em></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Those who have no honor while alive, will have an evil reputation after they die.</span></span></em></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Whatever is predestined, happens, O Nanak; whatever the Creator does, comes to pass.</span></span></em></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Translation in Gurmukhi</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Meanings of words used</span></span><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkhar'">:- kil—kljugI isRStI, auh lukweI jo r`b qoN ivCuVI hoeI hY (gur AwSy Anuswr auhI smw ‘kiljug’ hY jdoN gurU-prmwqmw ivsr jwey; ijvyN, “iek GVI n imlqy qw kiljugu hoqw”) [ kuqy muhI—ku`qy dy mUMh vwlI, ku`qy vWg ijs ƒ Kwx dw hlk ku`idAw hovy [ murdwru—hrwm, v`FI Awidk hrwm cIz [ kUVu—JUT [ cUkw—mu`k igAw [ piq—ie`zq [ soie—soBw [ mMdI soie—bdnwmI, kusoBw [ iliKAw hovY—m`Qy qy iliKAw lyK hI au~GVdw hY [ Kwju—mn-BwauNdw Kwxw [</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Meaning of entire verse</span></span><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkhar'">:- r`b qoN iv`CuVI hoeI lukweI ƒ ku`qy vWg Kwx dw hlk ku`idAw rihMdw hY qy v`FI Awidk hrwm cIz ies dw mn-BwauNdw Kwxw ho jWdw hY (ijvyN ku`qy dw mn-BwauNdw Kwxw murdwr hY); (ieh lukweI) sdw JUT boldI hY, (mwno, murdwr KWdy ku`qy vWg) BauNk rhI hY, (ies qrHW ies dy AMdroN) Drm (dI AMs) qy (r`b dy guxW dI) ivcwr mu`k jWdI hY; ijqnw icr Ajyhy lok (jgq ivc) jIauNdy hn iehnW dI (koeI bMdw) ie`zq nhIN (krdw), jdoN mr jWdy hn, (lok iehnW ƒ) BYiVEN Xwd krdy hn [</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkhar'"><span style="font-size: 12px">(pr) hy nwnk! (iehnW dy kIh v`s? ipCly krmW Anuswr) m`Qy auqy iliKAw lyK hI au~GVdw hY (qy aus lyK-Anuswr) jo kuJ krqwr krdw hY auhI huMdw hY [1[</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">As noted above, there are several meanings of the word Murdaar. The authour of this essay shows a distinct lack of knowledge of Gurbani and keeps trying to justify Murdaar as Meat is all the verses. This person or persons cannot be true Sikhs.</span></p><p> </p><p>Now lets us examine take the following verses from Bhagat Kabir Page 1374 as used in the essay.</p><p> </p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Manmat Explanation:</span></span></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer khoob khaanaa kheechree jaa meh amrit lon.</span></span></em></strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">hayraa rotee kaarnay galaa kataavai ka-un.</span></span></em></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">In the above Gurmukhi, there is no mention of meat whatsoever. <em>hayraa rotee kaarnay galaa kataavai ka-un</em>, means literally, who would cut their own throat to eat food. The person who has tried to translate this has added his/her own spin .What this is actually saying is that to the follower of the Guru or one who has been touched by God a simple dish of Kheechree (lentils and rice), flavoured with salt is enough. To have something more exotic to eat you would not cut your own throat (the western equivalent would be to cut your own nose off to spite your face). In no way is this tukh anything to do with meat eating and the person who has misrepresented and mistranslated it should be held to account for his/her actions. </span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Before we proceed futher, let us see how our historical reference books interpret these verses:</span></span></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">FARIDKOT WALA TEKA</span></span></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Fridkot Wala Teeka is classical exegesis of Sri Guru Granth Sahid in “Brij Bhasha” by a team of scholars of Nirmala Sect. It was the first attempt in this field prompted by tRulers of Fridkot State in 19th Century. For all future attempts in this field, it became an ideal prototype. As it was patronized by the Rulers of Fridkot State, it came to be known as “Frdikot Wala Teeka”</span></span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer khoob khaanaa kheechree jaa meh amrit lon.</span></span></em></strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">hayraa rotee kaarnay galaa kataavai ka-un.</span></span></em></strong></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Sri Kabir ji kehte hain, Hey bhai kicharee ka khanna khoob hai meaning asha hai, jis kichadee mein amrit ke saman loon padda hua hai.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kion ke (hera) shikar mein jivon ko mar ke maas ke saath roti khane ke karan se pishey apne ko kon katave - bhav - jeev ko marne karke phir apna sheesh tis se katvana padta hai</span></span></p><p><strong><em><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">SRI GURU GRANTH DARPAN – by Professor Sahib Singh</span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer khoob khaanaa kheechree jaa meh amrit lon.</span></span></em></strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">hayraa rotee kaarnay galaa kataavai ka-un.</span></span></em></strong></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Hey Kabir! (Mullan nu beshak aakh de ke kurbani ke bahane mass khan nallon) kichadee kha leni change hai jis vich sirf suaadla loon paya hoya hove. Main te iss gal lye tyaar nahi han ki maas roti khan dhi niyat meri apni hovey par (Kurbani da hoka de de ke kise pashoo nu) jabar karda phiran</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">From the later text it appears the Kabir ji has directed his remark towards the Mullans (Religious Muslim leaders) of that time. This is what Kabir ji says in Guru Granth Sahib. This is a universal message for the sikh.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Now let us analyse this verse:</span></span></span> </p><p> </p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">kabeer khoob khaanaa kheechree jaa meh amrit lon.</span></span></span></em></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Meaning of words-</span></span></em></strong></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><em><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Khoob – plentiful</span></em></strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><em><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kheechree - food prepared from lentils and rice</span></em></strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><em><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Jaa meh - Jis wich – one that contains - for it is (flavoured)</span></em></strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><em><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Amrit lon - flavour equivalent of Amrit (refering here to the purity and simplicity) lon i.e. only with simple salt.</span></em></strong></li> </ul><p></p><p><strong><em><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, Eat plentiful of Kheechree , for it is flavored simply with salt.</span></em></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><u><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em><span style="font-size: 12px">hayraa rotee kaarnay galaa kataavai ka-un.</span></em></span></span></u></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Meaning of words-</span></span></em></strong></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong><em>Hayraa – Shikar – hunt ( meaning killing animals – causing death of animals )</em></strong></span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong><em>Roti – Bread – Food for eating</em></strong></span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong><em>Karnay – For the reason of or for the sake of</em></strong></span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong><em>Roti Karney – An activity done for the sake of eating</em></strong></span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong><em>Galaa – Throat</em></strong></span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong><em>Kataavai – to have it slit – to have it cut.</em></strong></span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong><em>Kaun – Who should, Why Should.</em></strong></span></li> </ul><p></p><p><strong><em><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Killing an animal for the sake of eating it, Why should I have my throat slit in return.</span></em></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><em><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Putting it together-</span></em></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>Kabir ji Says “I rather eat plentiful of Kheechree for it is flavoured simply with salt.</em></span></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Killing an animal for the sake of eating it, why should I wait to have my throat slit in return.”</span></em></strong></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>What Kabir ji is telling us in this verse is that when ever you kill an animal ( here although Kabir ji only mention an animal killed in shikaar – the hunted – by what means it does not matter - you are the cause of the death of that animal), time will come in the future where you will have to take turns i.e. you will have to make the same sacrifice for this animal when it takes human form and you shall take the animal form. Just as this animal has sacrificed itself for your sake (for the pleasure of your tongue ) you should be prepared for pay back. (This philosophy is widely accepted also in hindu scripturers. When ever hindus carry out sacrifices, they confess in those verses that they are accepting full liability that should this animal need our sacrifice in the future, we will be ready to make the sacrifice in retun.</strong></span></em></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">This clearly shows how this individual or this goup of individuals have manipulated the verses for the sole purpose of mis-leading the Sikh Youngsters and justify their eating habits.</span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black">These manmati individuals have toppled the work of our Gurus up side down. There is a very strong relationship between "Diet and Spirituality" if you cannot see it it is your ill-fate. </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black">It is an insult to the memories of our Guru’s. If this is what Kabir says in Guru Granth Sahib then how can one even contemplate accusing out Guru’s for indulging in the consumption of meat. Are they then also insinuating that our Guru’s have lived double standards?</span></p><p> </p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">It appears that Guru ji’s following Shalok is in reality directly towards these perpetrators and supporters of this topic.</span></span></em></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Shalok mehlaa 1.</span></span></em></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kal ho-ee kutay muhee khaaj ho-aa murdaar.</span></span></em></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">koorh bol bol bha-ukanaa chookaa Dharam beechaar.</span></span></em></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">jin jeevandi-aa pat nahee mu-i-aa mandee so-ay.</span></span></em></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">likhi-aa hovai naankaa kartaa karay so ho-ay.</span></span></em></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">May our Gurus have mercy on your souls.</span></span></em></strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ekmusafir_ajnabi, post: 50428, member: 4318"] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]FOOLS WHO WRANGLE OVER FLESH [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=black] [/COLOR] [B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Manmat Explanation of the Originator of this Article:[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B] [B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B] [B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Salok mehlaa 1.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kal ho-ee kutay muhee khaaj ho-aa murdaar.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]koorh bol bol bha-ukanaa chookaa Dharam beechaar.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]jin jeevandi-aa pat nahee mu-i-aa mandee so-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]likhi-aa hovai naankaa kartaa karay so ho-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B] [B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Shalok, First Mehl:[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]In this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, people have faces like dogs; they eat [U]rotting carcasses [/U]for food.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]They bark and speak, telling only lies; all thought of righteousness has left them.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Those who have no honor while alive, will have an evil reputation after they die.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Whatever is predestined, happens, O Nanak; whatever the Creator does, comes to pass.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][B]Rotting Carcasse – This is not the meaning of Murdaar.[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][B] [/B][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][B]Furthermore a very crucial word has been very cleverly omitted from the interpretation[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][B]“[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]khaaj” – [/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial][B]meaning favourite[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][B][/B][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][B] [/B][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][B]Let us see what Murdaar means:[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][B] [/B][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Ref: Encyclopedia of Sikh Literature - Mahankosh - Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]defines Murdaar as follows:[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Loth – Shav – Dead body[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Svastkar te Soorveerta rehat - ……….and without bravery?[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Pran rehet deh - Body without life[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Apwitter cheez – Impure item[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Dharam anusaar na khane yogya – Not worthy of eating according to Dharmic values[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Haraam – Forbidden, Famous [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Vaddi – Money not earned by honest means [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]There are many more……………[/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial][B] [/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial][B]Shalok[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [SIZE=3][FONT=Raavi]ਸਲੋਕ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਮ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]੧[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਕਲਿ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਹੋਈ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਕੁਤੇ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਮੁਹੀ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਖਾਜੁ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਹੋਆ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਮੁਰਦਾਰੁ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਕੂੜੁ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਬੋਲਿ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਬੋਲਿ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਭਉਕਣਾ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਚੂਕਾ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਧਰਮੁ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਬੀਚਾਰੁ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਜਿਨ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਜੀਵੰਦਿਆ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਪਤਿ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਨਹੀ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਮੁਇਆ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਮੰਦੀ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਸੋਇ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਲਿਖਿਆ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਹੋਵੈ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਨਾਨਕਾ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਕਰਤਾ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਕਰੇ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਸੁ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਹੋਇ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]੧॥[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=purple] [/COLOR]{[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਪੰਨਾ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] 1242}[/FONT][/SIZE] [COLOR=purple][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=purple][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Meanings of words used:[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=purple][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Kal – Kalyug , Kutay muhee – faces like dogs , Murdaar – Dead bodies, Khaj – favourite Koorh – lies, Chooka – finished, passed away, Patt – respect, Soa – honour, Mandee soa – evil reputation, Likhaa hove – predestined, [/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=purple][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=purple][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Now let us put this the translations together as per the Shalok[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=purple][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Shalok, First Mehl:[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B] [B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kal ho-ee kutay muhee khaaj ho-aa murdaar.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]In this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, people have faces like dogs; their favourite food is a dead body[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B] [B][I][COLOR=#ff9900][FONT=Arial](What I ask you is the favourite food of a dog. Is it Makki di roti and sarson da saag?, Is it another vegetarian dish? or Is a by dead body – meaning flesh- meaning MEAT)[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B][B][COLOR=#ff9900][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [FONT=Arial][B]Is this not a mis-interpretation of the Verse. Important information left on purpose to mis-lead people to suit your agenda. Disgraceful. This cannot be the work of a sikh.[/B][/FONT] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]They bark repeatedly and speak, telling only lies; all thought of righteousness has left them.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Those who have no honor while alive, will have an evil reputation after they die.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Whatever is predestined, happens, O Nanak; whatever the Creator does, comes to pass.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Translation in Gurmukhi[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][COLOR=blue][FONT=Arial]Meanings of words used[/FONT][/COLOR][FONT=GurbaniAkhar]:- kil—kljugI isRStI, auh lukweI jo r`b qoN ivCuVI hoeI hY (gur AwSy Anuswr auhI smw ‘kiljug’ hY jdoN gurU-prmwqmw ivsr jwey; ijvyN, “iek GVI n imlqy qw kiljugu hoqw”) [ kuqy muhI—ku`qy dy mUMh vwlI, ku`qy vWg ijs ƒ Kwx dw hlk ku`idAw hovy [ murdwru—hrwm, v`FI Awidk hrwm cIz [ kUVu—JUT [ cUkw—mu`k igAw [ piq—ie`zq [ soie—soBw [ mMdI soie—bdnwmI, kusoBw [ iliKAw hovY—m`Qy qy iliKAw lyK hI au~GVdw hY [ Kwju—mn-BwauNdw Kwxw [[/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=blue][FONT=Arial]Meaning of entire verse[/FONT][/COLOR][FONT=GurbaniAkhar]:- r`b qoN iv`CuVI hoeI lukweI ƒ ku`qy vWg Kwx dw hlk ku`idAw rihMdw hY qy v`FI Awidk hrwm cIz ies dw mn-BwauNdw Kwxw ho jWdw hY (ijvyN ku`qy dw mn-BwauNdw Kwxw murdwr hY); (ieh lukweI) sdw JUT boldI hY, (mwno, murdwr KWdy ku`qy vWg) BauNk rhI hY, (ies qrHW ies dy AMdroN) Drm (dI AMs) qy (r`b dy guxW dI) ivcwr mu`k jWdI hY; ijqnw icr Ajyhy lok (jgq ivc) jIauNdy hn iehnW dI (koeI bMdw) ie`zq nhIN (krdw), jdoN mr jWdy hn, (lok iehnW ƒ) BYiVEN Xwd krdy hn [[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=GurbaniAkhar][SIZE=3](pr) hy nwnk! (iehnW dy kIh v`s? ipCly krmW Anuswr) m`Qy auqy iliKAw lyK hI au~GVdw hY (qy aus lyK-Anuswr) jo kuJ krqwr krdw hY auhI huMdw hY [1[[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial]As noted above, there are several meanings of the word Murdaar. The authour of this essay shows a distinct lack of knowledge of Gurbani and keeps trying to justify Murdaar as Meat is all the verses. This person or persons cannot be true Sikhs.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial] [/FONT] Now lets us examine take the following verses from Bhagat Kabir Page 1374 as used in the essay. [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]Manmat Explanation:[/FONT][/COLOR] [B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer khoob khaanaa kheechree jaa meh amrit lon.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]hayraa rotee kaarnay galaa kataavai ka-un.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]In the above Gurmukhi, there is no mention of meat whatsoever. [I]hayraa rotee kaarnay galaa kataavai ka-un[/I], means literally, who would cut their own throat to eat food. The person who has tried to translate this has added his/her own spin .What this is actually saying is that to the follower of the Guru or one who has been touched by God a simple dish of Kheechree (lentils and rice), flavoured with salt is enough. To have something more exotic to eat you would not cut your own throat (the western equivalent would be to cut your own nose off to spite your face). In no way is this tukh anything to do with meat eating and the person who has misrepresented and mistranslated it should be held to account for his/her actions. [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Before we proceed futher, let us see how our historical reference books interpret these verses:[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]FARIDKOT WALA TEKA[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Fridkot Wala Teeka is classical exegesis of Sri Guru Granth Sahid in “Brij Bhasha” by a team of scholars of Nirmala Sect. It was the first attempt in this field prompted by tRulers of Fridkot State in 19th Century. For all future attempts in this field, it became an ideal prototype. As it was patronized by the Rulers of Fridkot State, it came to be known as “Frdikot Wala Teeka”[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B] [B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer khoob khaanaa kheechree jaa meh amrit lon.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]hayraa rotee kaarnay galaa kataavai ka-un.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Sri Kabir ji kehte hain, Hey bhai kicharee ka khanna khoob hai meaning asha hai, jis kichadee mein amrit ke saman loon padda hua hai.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Kion ke (hera) shikar mein jivon ko mar ke maas ke saath roti khane ke karan se pishey apne ko kon katave - bhav - [U] [/U]jeev ko marne karke phir apna sheesh tis se katvana padta hai[/FONT][/COLOR] [B][I][FONT=Arial]SRI GURU GRANTH DARPAN – by Professor Sahib Singh[/FONT][/I][/B] [B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer khoob khaanaa kheechree jaa meh amrit lon.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]hayraa rotee kaarnay galaa kataavai ka-un.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Hey Kabir! (Mullan nu beshak aakh de ke kurbani ke bahane mass khan nallon) kichadee kha leni change hai jis vich sirf suaadla loon paya hoya hove. Main te iss gal lye tyaar nahi han ki maas roti khan dhi niyat meri apni hovey par (Kurbani da hoka de de ke kise pashoo nu) jabar karda phiran[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]From the later text it appears the Kabir ji has directed his remark towards the Mullans (Religious Muslim leaders) of that time. This is what Kabir ji says in Guru Granth Sahib. This is a universal message for the sikh.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Now let us analyse this verse:[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]kabeer khoob khaanaa kheechree jaa meh amrit lon.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B] [B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B] [B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Meaning of words-[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B] [LIST] [*][B][I][FONT=Arial]Khoob – plentiful[/FONT][/I][/B] [*][B][I][FONT=Arial]Kheechree - food prepared from lentils and rice[/FONT][/I][/B] [*][B][I][FONT=Arial]Jaa meh - Jis wich – one that contains - for it is (flavoured)[/FONT][/I][/B] [*][B][I][FONT=Arial]Amrit lon - flavour equivalent of Amrit (refering here to the purity and simplicity) lon i.e. only with simple salt.[/FONT][/I][/B][/LIST][B][I][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/I][/B] [B][I][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, Eat plentiful of Kheechree , for it is flavored simply with salt.[/FONT][/I][/B] [B][I][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/I][/B] [B][U][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial][I][SIZE=3]hayraa rotee kaarnay galaa kataavai ka-un.[/SIZE][/I][/FONT][/COLOR][/U][/B] [B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B] [B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Meaning of words-[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B] [LIST] [*][FONT=Arial][B][I]Hayraa – Shikar – hunt ( meaning killing animals – causing death of animals )[/I][/B][/FONT] [*][FONT=Arial][B][I]Roti – Bread – Food for eating[/I][/B][/FONT] [*][FONT=Arial][B][I]Karnay – For the reason of or for the sake of[/I][/B][/FONT] [*][FONT=Arial][B][I]Roti Karney – An activity done for the sake of eating[/I][/B][/FONT] [*][FONT=Arial][B][I]Galaa – Throat[/I][/B][/FONT] [*][FONT=Arial][B][I]Kataavai – to have it slit – to have it cut.[/I][/B][/FONT] [*][FONT=Arial][B][I]Kaun – Who should, Why Should.[/I][/B][/FONT][/LIST][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial][B][I] [/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR] [B][I][FONT=Arial]Killing an animal for the sake of eating it, Why should I have my throat slit in return.[/FONT][/I][/B] [B][I][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/I][/B] [B][I][FONT=Arial]Putting it together-[/FONT][/I][/B] [B][FONT=Arial][I]Kabir ji Says “I rather eat plentiful of Kheechree for it is flavoured simply with salt.[/I][/FONT][/B] [B][I][FONT=Arial]Killing an animal for the sake of eating it, why should I wait to have my throat slit in return.”[/FONT][/I][/B] [I][FONT=Arial][B] [/B][/FONT][/I] [I][FONT=Arial][B]What Kabir ji is telling us in this verse is that when ever you kill an animal ( here although Kabir ji only mention an animal killed in shikaar – the hunted – by what means it does not matter - you are the cause of the death of that animal), time will come in the future where you will have to take turns i.e. you will have to make the same sacrifice for this animal when it takes human form and you shall take the animal form. Just as this animal has sacrificed itself for your sake (for the pleasure of your tongue ) you should be prepared for pay back. (This philosophy is widely accepted also in hindu scripturers. When ever hindus carry out sacrifices, they confess in those verses that they are accepting full liability that should this animal need our sacrifice in the future, we will be ready to make the sacrifice in retun.[/B][/FONT][/I] [I][FONT=Arial][B] [/B][/FONT][/I] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]This clearly shows how this individual or this goup of individuals have manipulated the verses for the sole purpose of mis-leading the Sikh Youngsters and justify their eating habits.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=black]These manmati individuals have toppled the work of our Gurus up side down. There is a very strong relationship between "Diet and Spirituality" if you cannot see it it is your ill-fate. [/COLOR] [COLOR=black] [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]It is an insult to the memories of our Guru’s. If this is what Kabir says in Guru Granth Sahib then how can one even contemplate accusing out Guru’s for indulging in the consumption of meat. Are they then also insinuating that our Guru’s have lived double standards?[/COLOR] [COLOR=black] [/COLOR] [B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]It appears that Guru ji’s following Shalok is in reality directly towards these perpetrators and supporters of this topic.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B] [B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B] [B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Shalok mehlaa 1.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kal ho-ee kutay muhee khaaj ho-aa murdaar.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]koorh bol bol bha-ukanaa chookaa Dharam beechaar.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]jin jeevandi-aa pat nahee mu-i-aa mandee so-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]likhi-aa hovai naankaa kartaa karay so ho-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B] [B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B] [B][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]May our Gurus have mercy on your souls.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B] [/QUOTE]
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