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<blockquote data-quote="Sherdil" data-source="post: 206180" data-attributes="member: 20261"><p>Sikhi doesn't promote or condone the eating of meat. What Gurbani says is that everything is made from the same clay. This includes plants and animals. They come from the same source. Therefore if you eat one but make a fuss about the other, it shows that you lack the fundamental understanding that all things are one.</p><p></p><p>Some put forward the notion that plants do not suffer when you kill them. How do we really know for sure? Plants are much further removed from us than our animal brethren. Just because they don't have a face doesn't mean they don't suffer in some sort of way. Our ability to empathize with a plant is much less than our ability to empathize with our fellow animals. If we euthanized the animals in a non-painful manner, instead of killing them with traditional methods, would the meat then be sanctified for consumption?</p><p></p><p>GGS, page 143:</p><p></p><p>ਮਃ ੧ ॥ </p><p>मः १ ॥ </p><p>Mėhlā 1. </p><p>First Mehl:</p><p></p><p>ਵੇਖੁ ਜਿ ਮਿਠਾ ਕਟਿਆ ਕਟਿ ਕੁਟਿ ਬਧਾ ਪਾਇ ॥ </p><p>वेखु जि मिठा कटिआ कटि कुटि बधा पाइ ॥</p><p> vekẖ jė miṯẖā kati▫ā kat kut baḏẖā pā▫e. </p><p>Look, and see how the sugar-cane is cut down. After cutting away its branches, its feet are bound together into bundles,</p><p></p><p>ਖੁੰਢਾ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਰਖਿ ਕੈ ਦੇਨਿ ਸੁ ਮਲ ਸਜਾਇ ॥</p><p> खुंढा अंदरि रखि कै देनि सु मल सजाइ ॥ </p><p>Kẖundẖā anḏar rakẖ kai ḏen so mal sajā▫e. </p><p>and then, it is placed between the wooden rollers and crushed.</p><p></p><p>ਰਸੁ ਕਸੁ ਟਟਰਿ ਪਾਈਐ ਤਪੈ ਤੈ ਵਿਲਲਾਇ ॥ </p><p>रसु कसु टटरि पाईऐ तपै तै विललाइ ॥</p><p> Ras kas tatar pā▫ī▫ai ṯapai ṯai villā▫e. </p><p>What punishment is inflicted upon it! Its juice is extracted and placed in the cauldron; as it is heated, it groans and cries out.</p><p></p><p>ਭੀ ਸੋ ਫੋਗੁ ਸਮਾਲੀਐ ਦਿਚੈ ਅਗਿ ਜਾਲਾਇ ॥ </p><p>भी सो फोगु समालीऐ दिचै अगि जालाइ ॥ </p><p>Bẖī so fog samālī▫ai ḏicẖai ag jālā▫e. </p><p>And then, the crushed cane is collected and burnt in the fire below.</p><p></p><p>ਨਾਨਕ ਮਿਠੈ ਪਤਰੀਐ ਵੇਖਹੁ ਲੋਕਾ ਆਇ ॥੨॥ </p><p>नानक मिठै पतरीऐ वेखहु लोका आइ ॥२॥</p><p> Nānak miṯẖai paṯrī▫ai vekẖhu lokā ā▫e. ||2|| </p><p>Nanak: come, people, and see how the sweet sugar-cane is treated! ||2||</p><p></p><p>If you wish to eat meat, then you should be free to do so. If you want to be vegetarian or vegan then go ahead. But to dictate your lifestyle to others on the basis of what is morally or religiously permissible is foolery. Hence the opening line "Fools wrangle over meat and flesh".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sherdil, post: 206180, member: 20261"] Sikhi doesn't promote or condone the eating of meat. What Gurbani says is that everything is made from the same clay. This includes plants and animals. They come from the same source. Therefore if you eat one but make a fuss about the other, it shows that you lack the fundamental understanding that all things are one. Some put forward the notion that plants do not suffer when you kill them. How do we really know for sure? Plants are much further removed from us than our animal brethren. Just because they don't have a face doesn't mean they don't suffer in some sort of way. Our ability to empathize with a plant is much less than our ability to empathize with our fellow animals. If we euthanized the animals in a non-painful manner, instead of killing them with traditional methods, would the meat then be sanctified for consumption? GGS, page 143: ਮਃ ੧ ॥ मः १ ॥ Mėhlā 1. First Mehl: ਵੇਖੁ ਜਿ ਮਿਠਾ ਕਟਿਆ ਕਟਿ ਕੁਟਿ ਬਧਾ ਪਾਇ ॥ वेखु जि मिठा कटिआ कटि कुटि बधा पाइ ॥ vekẖ jė miṯẖā kati▫ā kat kut baḏẖā pā▫e. Look, and see how the sugar-cane is cut down. After cutting away its branches, its feet are bound together into bundles, ਖੁੰਢਾ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਰਖਿ ਕੈ ਦੇਨਿ ਸੁ ਮਲ ਸਜਾਇ ॥ खुंढा अंदरि रखि कै देनि सु मल सजाइ ॥ Kẖundẖā anḏar rakẖ kai ḏen so mal sajā▫e. and then, it is placed between the wooden rollers and crushed. ਰਸੁ ਕਸੁ ਟਟਰਿ ਪਾਈਐ ਤਪੈ ਤੈ ਵਿਲਲਾਇ ॥ रसु कसु टटरि पाईऐ तपै तै विललाइ ॥ Ras kas tatar pā▫ī▫ai ṯapai ṯai villā▫e. What punishment is inflicted upon it! Its juice is extracted and placed in the cauldron; as it is heated, it groans and cries out. ਭੀ ਸੋ ਫੋਗੁ ਸਮਾਲੀਐ ਦਿਚੈ ਅਗਿ ਜਾਲਾਇ ॥ भी सो फोगु समालीऐ दिचै अगि जालाइ ॥ Bẖī so fog samālī▫ai ḏicẖai ag jālā▫e. And then, the crushed cane is collected and burnt in the fire below. ਨਾਨਕ ਮਿਠੈ ਪਤਰੀਐ ਵੇਖਹੁ ਲੋਕਾ ਆਇ ॥੨॥ नानक मिठै पतरीऐ वेखहु लोका आइ ॥२॥ Nānak miṯẖai paṯrī▫ai vekẖhu lokā ā▫e. ||2|| Nanak: come, people, and see how the sweet sugar-cane is treated! ||2|| If you wish to eat meat, then you should be free to do so. If you want to be vegetarian or vegan then go ahead. But to dictate your lifestyle to others on the basis of what is morally or religiously permissible is foolery. Hence the opening line "Fools wrangle over meat and flesh". [/QUOTE]
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