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ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="BhagatSingh" data-source="post: 176248" data-attributes="member: 2610"><p>Just and Unjust are part of morality. They are related terms. And yes Sikhism does talk about it.</p><p></p><p>I don't know how the Semitic religions or Vaishnu or this religion or taht religion view morality, my concern is with Sikhism alone.</p><p>Don't deny making your own statement. You said killing is just in self-defense.</p><p>That's what you said earlier. :sippingcoffeemunda:</p><p></p><p>I have answered this previously. I have also talked about hunting. Just go back a few pages.</p><p></p><p>You and I.</p><p>What the self-awareness experiments are meant to highlight is the level of awareness animals have. </p><p></p><p>For those who don't realize it, being able to discern that the mirror is reflecting the surroundings requires a great level of intelligence and awareness.</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhB948jvKVM" target="_blank">Animal intelligence- pigs and chickens are smart - YouTube</a></p><p>Pigs outperform chimps on some tests of intelligence.</p><p></p><p>Besides humans, animals are still missing awareness of the "I" behind the other. Being able to sense sentience in another being (and in an object, if you develop your awareness to a high level). This is the only quality which separates humans and animals, and this is why humans can reach God ( that is seeing God in all) and animals cannot. Also, the degree to which humans can become aware through meditations, prayers etc, is just mind-blowing.</p><p></p><p></p><p>But animals are also aware and feel immense emotions. They act out of intentions and can make great sacrifice, and show great empathy. Just like humans but not to the same degree.</p><p></p><p>Not all animals have self-awareness, and like I said that was just a demonstration of the high level of awareness they have. Some are so high that they have self-awareness. You get what I mean.</p><p></p><p>Their intelligence and awareness levels are similar to to human infants. So by analogy, would you say it is ok to kill and eat a baby? Rhetorical question. Is it really a matter of personal choice at this point? Especially when being a human you can see that behind the animal lies a sentience, the I, who carries out intentions inherent to the animal. This is something that only a human can do, which is see the animal as more than food, and is tossed aside and excused on the basis of "personal choice". How does that make you different than an carnivorous animal, like a tiger who cannot do so either?</p><p></p><p>Amongst tigers, this is a non-issue. Their prey is just food. But humans are so much more than. We can see the tiger acting out of intention and the fear in the prey, as it alerts it's herd. We can see the I, and we can empathize with the creatures. We can see for ourselves, even without Psychological and Biological evidence that there is a sentience behind the beast, so how do we justify our killing it?</p><p></p><p>Those who have pets know what I talking about. Even if you have two of the same breed, the pets each have personalities. They are individuals with feelings and emotions. They connect with you and respond to your way of being. They are beings themselves.</p><p></p><p>i am not here to trade insults with you either. You did a great job with Sikh history website, it's a wonderful resource, and the first one I go to for information on Sikh history. So I am certainly not calling you ignorant or trying to.</p><p></p><p>But not all of Kabir's shabads fall into the category of response to Muslim invaders. I think you are generalizing there. But this is not what I am debating here. We went through that already. I left it because I didn't feel I was being responded to, and that no attention was paid to what I was saying or my posts were ignored outright. All I got in response was a copy-paste of the article. I don't call that a debate.</p><p></p><p>Anyways.</p><p></p><p>What about it? Where does it state the claims you are making about the Vaishnu religion?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BhagatSingh, post: 176248, member: 2610"] Just and Unjust are part of morality. They are related terms. And yes Sikhism does talk about it. I don't know how the Semitic religions or Vaishnu or this religion or taht religion view morality, my concern is with Sikhism alone. Don't deny making your own statement. You said killing is just in self-defense. That's what you said earlier. :sippingcoffeemunda: I have answered this previously. I have also talked about hunting. Just go back a few pages. You and I. What the self-awareness experiments are meant to highlight is the level of awareness animals have. For those who don't realize it, being able to discern that the mirror is reflecting the surroundings requires a great level of intelligence and awareness. [URL='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhB948jvKVM']Animal intelligence- pigs and chickens are smart - YouTube[/URL] Pigs outperform chimps on some tests of intelligence. Besides humans, animals are still missing awareness of the "I" behind the other. Being able to sense sentience in another being (and in an object, if you develop your awareness to a high level). This is the only quality which separates humans and animals, and this is why humans can reach God ( that is seeing God in all) and animals cannot. Also, the degree to which humans can become aware through meditations, prayers etc, is just mind-blowing. But animals are also aware and feel immense emotions. They act out of intentions and can make great sacrifice, and show great empathy. Just like humans but not to the same degree. Not all animals have self-awareness, and like I said that was just a demonstration of the high level of awareness they have. Some are so high that they have self-awareness. You get what I mean. Their intelligence and awareness levels are similar to to human infants. So by analogy, would you say it is ok to kill and eat a baby? Rhetorical question. Is it really a matter of personal choice at this point? Especially when being a human you can see that behind the animal lies a sentience, the I, who carries out intentions inherent to the animal. This is something that only a human can do, which is see the animal as more than food, and is tossed aside and excused on the basis of "personal choice". How does that make you different than an carnivorous animal, like a tiger who cannot do so either? Amongst tigers, this is a non-issue. Their prey is just food. But humans are so much more than. We can see the tiger acting out of intention and the fear in the prey, as it alerts it's herd. We can see the I, and we can empathize with the creatures. We can see for ourselves, even without Psychological and Biological evidence that there is a sentience behind the beast, so how do we justify our killing it? Those who have pets know what I talking about. Even if you have two of the same breed, the pets each have personalities. They are individuals with feelings and emotions. They connect with you and respond to your way of being. They are beings themselves. i am not here to trade insults with you either. You did a great job with Sikh history website, it's a wonderful resource, and the first one I go to for information on Sikh history. So I am certainly not calling you ignorant or trying to. But not all of Kabir's shabads fall into the category of response to Muslim invaders. I think you are generalizing there. But this is not what I am debating here. We went through that already. I left it because I didn't feel I was being responded to, and that no attention was paid to what I was saying or my posts were ignored outright. All I got in response was a copy-paste of the article. I don't call that a debate. Anyways. What about it? Where does it state the claims you are making about the Vaishnu religion? [/QUOTE]
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