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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="Randip Singh" data-source="post: 176209" data-attributes="member: 1323"><p>You are.</p><p></p><p>You are talking in terms of morality when Sikhism does not talk in those terms.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Maybe they are , maybe they are not, but lets not confuse Vaishnav dogma with Sikhism.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I didn't say that. ....but you were talking in terms of morality and I pointed out in terms of morality, which is based on the Semitic concepts of the 10 commandements killing is morally wrong..</p><p></p><p>In any case, more than one <strong>Guru killed people</strong>, are you saying they were <strong>immoral?</strong> motherlylove</p><p></p><p>The killing for food in terms of being Just or Un-Just can't be argued about, as it about personal choice. Tis is exactly the stance of Baba Nanak.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Who's being ignorant?</p><p></p><p>Chimps probably are closer to humans in terms of DNA, but they are not humans.</p><p></p><p>Dolphins, Chimps, Orangutans and Elephants are self aware as well. Me personally, I would have a problem in killing these for food.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well I could trade insults with you, but the truth is your arguments in the past were demolished based on the fact you had not studied the meanings of shabads and put them into historical and sociological concepts. For this I have to take some responsibilty as I often assume everyone on this forum has read the similar amount of Sikh History books I have, and maybe sometimes I need to explain myself better vis a vis Kabir ji and his comments on theMuslim invaders and the sacking of Varnasi.</p><p></p><p>Just because there in Bani of Kabir in the Granth Sahib it does not make us Vaishnavs. In the same context, because there is Bani of Sheikh Farid it does not make us Muslims.</p><p></p><p>Bani is neutral. On meat it does not promote of denounce any form of diets.</p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Read this part on Vaishnav belief:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaudiya_Vaishnavism#Living_beings" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaudiya_Vaishnavism#Living_beings</a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well maybe I'm a bad person, or a good person. I really don't know. I try and avoid the 5 thieves, and try and treat other humans with respect. If you think I'm a bad person because of my views and my beliefs that Sikhism is not an off shoot of Vaishnavism, then so be it.</p><p></p><p>An animal is not someone. It's not a human being. </p><p></p><p>That doesn't mean you should be sadistic to animals either because they are a lower form of life. </p><p></p><p>Here in the UK, the English are voracious meat eaters, yet their laws on cruelty to animals means you could end up in jail if you are sadistic to animals.</p><p></p><p>Because you eat meat, doesn't mean you are cruel. India has some of the cruelest people in the world who are vegetarians. :sippingcoffee:</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Randip Singh, post: 176209, member: 1323"] You are. You are talking in terms of morality when Sikhism does not talk in those terms. Maybe they are , maybe they are not, but lets not confuse Vaishnav dogma with Sikhism. I didn't say that. ....but you were talking in terms of morality and I pointed out in terms of morality, which is based on the Semitic concepts of the 10 commandements killing is morally wrong.. In any case, more than one [B]Guru killed people[/B], are you saying they were [B]immoral?[/B] motherlylove The killing for food in terms of being Just or Un-Just can't be argued about, as it about personal choice. Tis is exactly the stance of Baba Nanak. Who's being ignorant? Chimps probably are closer to humans in terms of DNA, but they are not humans. Dolphins, Chimps, Orangutans and Elephants are self aware as well. Me personally, I would have a problem in killing these for food. Well I could trade insults with you, but the truth is your arguments in the past were demolished based on the fact you had not studied the meanings of shabads and put them into historical and sociological concepts. For this I have to take some responsibilty as I often assume everyone on this forum has read the similar amount of Sikh History books I have, and maybe sometimes I need to explain myself better vis a vis Kabir ji and his comments on theMuslim invaders and the sacking of Varnasi. Just because there in Bani of Kabir in the Granth Sahib it does not make us Vaishnavs. In the same context, because there is Bani of Sheikh Farid it does not make us Muslims. Bani is neutral. On meat it does not promote of denounce any form of diets. Read this part on Vaishnav belief: [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaudiya_Vaishnavism#Living_beings[/URL] Well maybe I'm a bad person, or a good person. I really don't know. I try and avoid the 5 thieves, and try and treat other humans with respect. If you think I'm a bad person because of my views and my beliefs that Sikhism is not an off shoot of Vaishnavism, then so be it. An animal is not someone. It's not a human being. That doesn't mean you should be sadistic to animals either because they are a lower form of life. Here in the UK, the English are voracious meat eaters, yet their laws on cruelty to animals means you could end up in jail if you are sadistic to animals. Because you eat meat, doesn't mean you are cruel. India has some of the cruelest people in the world who are vegetarians. :sippingcoffee: [/QUOTE]
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