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<blockquote data-quote="Randip Singh" data-source="post: 164678" data-attributes="member: 1323"><p>You said suffering and pain was unjust, you did not attach condition to it, so now you are attaching conditions. Conditions you think are right?</p><p></p><p>In the divine order of things how do you know the "pain / suffering" (if it is indeed pain or suffering) to the animal doesn't involve both parties? The native American thinks Tatanka (buffalo) came out of the Earth to give them food i.e. he consented. </p><p></p><p>Are you really such an "excellent sage" <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> that you know the divine order of things? When Nanak describes a plant being crushed in rollers, is that the divine order of things? When you forcibly take the milk away from a cow and away from its calf is that the divine order of things?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Flawed flawed and flawed again. Kabir Ji is talking about the futility of animal sacrifice to God. It makes no sense. He's not talking about suffrering at all. Also you realise That Kabir is talking about the invasion of Timur in the Beans flavoured with salt shabad? You understand the context of that don't you? </p><p></p><p><em>Kabir ji was a remarkable man and his shabads are probably the least understood in Bani, although most quoted.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>If you look at the History of when he grew up, he witnessed like Guru Nanak (inavsion by Babur) a Muslim invasion (invasion by Timur), and incredible death and destruction.</em> </p><p></p><p><em><a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/742629/posts" target="_blank">Memoirs of an Islamist - Timur</a></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em></em><em>Massacres in Varnasi were on a Massive scale. When Kabir ji is saying this:</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em></em><em><span style="color: black"></span></em></p><p> <em><span style="color: black"></span></em></p><p> <em><span style="color: black">at the back of his mind is this:</span></em></p><p> <em><span style="color: black"></span></em></p><p> <em><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/742629/posts" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0000ff">http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/742629/posts</span></a></span></span></span></em></p><p> <em><span style="color: black"></span></em></p><p> <em><span style="color: black"></span></em></p><p> <em><span style="color: black"></span>You can imagine this young devout Muslim, witnessing, so called fellow Muslims massacring his innocent Hindu neighbours. Probably people he knew. This must have had a profound effect on him. Similar Guru Nanak in Babur Bani.</em></p><p></p><p><u>It is this tyranny Kabir is talking about, not some stupid chicken.</u> <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /></p><p></p><p>Also that is not the context of the Shabad, because in this context Halal and Bismil refer to a specific thing, i.e. sacrifice. There is no mention of pain hardship etc. It talks about the futility of these purificaction rituals the mullahs are engagaed in.</p><p></p><p>Kabir may have been a Vaishnav (incidently he was born into a Muslim family) but Sikhs are not Vaishnavs? Why not follow all the teachings of Sheikh Farid and call ourselves Muslims?</p><p></p><p>Sorry flawed from begining to end. So long as you keep that vegetarian bias in your head and keep pulling one liners out it simply makes no sense.</p><p></p><p>I don't think I can add nything more to this the rest is up to you to learn and find out.</p><p></p><p>From the essay:</p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Again, let us put this into context: </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">bayd katayb kahhu mat jhoothay jhoothaa jo na bichaarai.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ja-o sabh meh ayk khudaa-ay kahat ha-o ta-o ki-o murgee maarai.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">mulaaN kahhu ni-aa-o khudaa-ee.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">tayray man kaa bharam na jaa-ee.</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> rahaa-o.</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">pakar jee-o aani-aa dayh binaasee maatee ka-o bismil kee-aa.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">jot saroop anaahat laagee kaho halaal ki-aa kee-aa.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ki-aa ujoo paak kee-aa muhu Dho-i-aa ki-aa maseet sir laa-i-aa.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ja-o dil meh kapat nivaaj gujaarahu ki-aa haj kaabai jaa-i-aa.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">tooN naapaak paak nahee soojhi-aa tis kaa maram na jaani-aa.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kahi kabeer bhisat tay chookaa dojak si-o man maani-aa.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Do not say that the Vedas, the Bible and the Koran are false. Those who do not contemplate them are false.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">You say that the One Lord is in all, so why do you kill chickens?</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">O Mullah, tell me: is this God's Justice?</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">The doubts of your mind have not been dispelled.</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> Pause</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">You seize a living creature, and then bring it home and kill its body; you have killed only the clay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">The light of the soul passes into another form. So tell me, what have you killed?</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">And what good are your purifications? Why do you bother to wash your face? And why do you bother to bow your head in the mosque?</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Your heart is full of hypocrisy; what good are your prayers or your pilgrimage to Mecca?</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">You are impure; you do not understand the Pure Lord. You do not know His Mystery.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Says Kabeer, you have missed out on paradise; your mind is set on hell.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: yellow"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: blue">Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji</span> </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">First point to note is that </span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/index.php?title=Halaal" target="_blank"><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">halaal</span></span></a></span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> and </span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/index.php?title=Bismil" target="_blank"><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">bismil</span></span></a></span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">, does not mean kill but refers to a specific form of ritual slaughter. Put into context this is a comment on the Muslim sacrifice ritual where either a goat or a chicken is kept in the confines of the home and then ritually slaughtered as obeisance to Abraham. Kabeer is mocking the futility of this ritual and saying, that why are you doing this sacrifice just to emulate Gods asking of Abraham to kill his only son? It is a futile gesture that will not sway God. Abraham was sacrificing his son to God, however all the sacrifice in this instance has achieved is destruction of the outer shell of the chicken. The soul wont travel to God, but merely to another form. One can only understand this if one has a basic grasp of history. In this instance the person who tried to use this tukh as an anti-meat quotation was unaware of the Koranic context and had an extremely poor knowledge of Semitic history. </span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">oraa gar paanee bha-i-aa jaa-ay mili-o dhal kool.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeeraa Dhoor sakayl kai puree-aa baaNDhee dayh.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">divas chaar ko paykhnaa ant khayh kee khayh.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer sooraj chaaNd kai udai bha-ee sabh dayh.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">gur gobind kay bin milay palat bha-ee sabh khayh.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">jah anbha-o tah bhai nahee jah bha-o tah har naahi.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kahi-o kabeer bichaar kai sant sunhu man maahi.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer jinahu kichhoo jaani-aa nahee tin sukh need bihaa-ay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">hamhu jo boojhaa boojhnaa pooree paree balaa-ay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">laagee chot maramm kee rahi-o kabeeraa tha-ur.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer chot suhaylee sayl kee laagat lay-ay usaas.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">chot sahaarai sabad kee taas guroo mai daas.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer mulaaN munaaray ki-aa chadheh saaN-ee na bahraa ho-ay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">jaa kaaran tooN baaNg deh dil hee bheetar jo-ay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">saykh sabooree baahraa ki-aa haj kaabay jaa-ay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer jaa kee dil saabat nahee taa ka-o kahaaN khudaa-ay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer alah kee kar bandagee jih simrat dukh jaa-ay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">dil meh saaN-ee pargatai bujhai balantee naaN-ay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer joree kee-ay julam hai kahtaa naa-o halaal.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">daftar laykhaa maaNgee-ai tab ho-igo ka-un havaal.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer khoob khaanaa kheechree jaa meh amrit lon.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">hayraa rotee kaarnay galaa kataavai ka-un.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer gur laagaa tab jaanee-ai mitai moh tan taap.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">harakh sog daajhai nahee tab har aapeh aap.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer raam kahan meh bhayd hai taa meh ayk bichaar.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">so-ee raam sabhai kaheh so-ee ka-utakhaar.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer raamai raam kaho kahibay maahi bibayk.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ayk anaykeh mil ga-i-aa ayk samaanaa ayk.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kab</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">eer jaa ghar saaDh na sayvee-ah har kee sayvaa naahi<em>.</em></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">tay ghar marhat saarkhay bhoot baseh tin maahi.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer goongaa hoo-aa baavraa bahraa hoo-aa kaan.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">paavhu tay pingul bha-i-aa maari-aa satgur baan.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer satgur soormay baahi-aa baan jo ayk.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">laagat hee bhu-ay gir pari-aa paraa karayjay chhayk.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer nirmal boond akaas kee par ga-ee bhoom bikaar.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">The hail-stone has melted into water, and flowed into the ocean.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, the body is a pile of dust, collected and packed together.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">It is a show which lasts for only a few days, and then dust returns to dust.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, bodies are like the rising and setting of the sun and the moon.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Without meeting the Guru, the Lord of the Universe, they are all reduced to dust again.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Where the Fearless Lord is, there is no fear; where there is fear, the Lord is not there.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer speaks after careful consideration; hear this, O Saints, in your minds.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, those who do not know anything, pass their lives in peaceful sleep.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">But I have understood the riddle; I am faced with all sorts of troubles.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Struck by the Mystery of God, Kabeer remains silent.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, the stroke of a lance is easy to bear; it takes away the breath.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">But one who endures the stroke of the Word of the Shabad is the Guru, and I am his slave.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer: O Mullah, why do you climb to the top of the minaret? The Lord is not hard of hearing.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Look within your own heart for the One, for whose sake you shout your prayers.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Why does the Shaykh bother to go on pilgrimage to Mecca, if he is not content with himself?</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, one whose heart is not healthy and whole - how can he attain his Lord?</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, worship the Lord Allah; meditating in remembrance on Him, troubles and pains depart.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">The Lord shall be revealed within your own heart, and the burning fire within shall be extinguished by His Name.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, to use force is tyranny, even if you call it legal.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">When your account is called for in the Court of the Lord, what will your condition be then?</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, the dinner of beans and rice is excellent, if it is flavored with salt.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Who would cut his throat, to have meat with his bread?</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, one is known to have been touched by the Guru, only when his emotional attachment and physical illnesses are eradicated.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">He is not burned by pleasure or pain, and so he becomes the Lord Himself.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, it does make a difference, how you chant the Lord's Name, 'Raam'. This is something to consider.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Everyone uses the same word for the son of Dasrath and the Wondrous Lord.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, use the word 'Raam', only to speak of the All-pervading Lord. You must make that distinction.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">One 'Raam' is pervading everywhere, while the other is contained only in himself.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, those houses in which neither the Holy nor the Lord are served </span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">those houses are like cremation grounds; demons dwell within them.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, I have become mute, insane and deaf.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I am crippled - the True Guru has pierced me with His Arrow.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, the True Guru, the Spiritual Warrior, has shot me with His Arrow.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">As soon as it struck me, I fell to the ground, with a hole in my heart.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, the pure drop of water falls from the sky, onto the dirty ground.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: yellow"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: blue">Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji</span> </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">At one level this is a mistranslation and at another misrepresentation of the context within which this is written: </span></span></p><p></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer khoob khaanaa kheechree jaa meh amrit lon.</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, the dinner of beans and rice is excellent, if it is flavored with salt. </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">hayraa rotee kaarnay galaa kataavai ka-un. </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Who would cut his throat, to have meat with his bread? </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: yellow"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: blue">Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji</span> </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">In the above Gurmukhi, there is no mention of meat whatsoever. <em>hayraa rotee kaarnay galaa kataavai ka-un</em>, means literally, who would cut their own throat to eat food. The person who has tried to translate this has added his/her own spin .What this is actually saying is that to the follower of the Guru or one who has been touched by God a simple dish of Kheechree (lentils and rice), flavoured with salt is enough. To have something more exotic to eat you would not cut your own throat (the western equivalent would be to cut your own nose off to spite your face). In no way is this tukh anything to do with meat eating and the person who has misrepresented and mistranslated it should be held to account for his/her actions. </span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></span></span>PS When I said this sounded more like Vaishnavism I meant YOUR interpretation was more akin to Vaishnavism. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p>:singhsippingcoffee:</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Randip Singh, post: 164678, member: 1323"] You said suffering and pain was unjust, you did not attach condition to it, so now you are attaching conditions. Conditions you think are right? In the divine order of things how do you know the "pain / suffering" (if it is indeed pain or suffering) to the animal doesn't involve both parties? The native American thinks Tatanka (buffalo) came out of the Earth to give them food i.e. he consented. Are you really such an "excellent sage" :) that you know the divine order of things? When Nanak describes a plant being crushed in rollers, is that the divine order of things? When you forcibly take the milk away from a cow and away from its calf is that the divine order of things? Flawed flawed and flawed again. Kabir Ji is talking about the futility of animal sacrifice to God. It makes no sense. He's not talking about suffrering at all. Also you realise That Kabir is talking about the invasion of Timur in the Beans flavoured with salt shabad? You understand the context of that don't you? [I]Kabir ji was a remarkable man and his shabads are probably the least understood in Bani, although most quoted. If you look at the History of when he grew up, he witnessed like Guru Nanak (inavsion by Babur) a Muslim invasion (invasion by Timur), and incredible death and destruction.[/I] [I][URL="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/742629/posts"]Memoirs of an Islamist - Timur[/URL] [/I][I]Massacres in Varnasi were on a Massive scale. When Kabir ji is saying this: [/I][I][COLOR=black] at the back of his mind is this: [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][URL="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/742629/posts"][COLOR=#0000ff]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/742629/posts[/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/COLOR] [/COLOR]You can imagine this young devout Muslim, witnessing, so called fellow Muslims massacring his innocent Hindu neighbours. Probably people he knew. This must have had a profound effect on him. Similar Guru Nanak in Babur Bani.[/I] [U]It is this tyranny Kabir is talking about, not some stupid chicken.[/U] :p Also that is not the context of the Shabad, because in this context Halal and Bismil refer to a specific thing, i.e. sacrifice. There is no mention of pain hardship etc. It talks about the futility of these purificaction rituals the mullahs are engagaed in. Kabir may have been a Vaishnav (incidently he was born into a Muslim family) but Sikhs are not Vaishnavs? Why not follow all the teachings of Sheikh Farid and call ourselves Muslims? Sorry flawed from begining to end. So long as you keep that vegetarian bias in your head and keep pulling one liners out it simply makes no sense. I don't think I can add nything more to this the rest is up to you to learn and find out. From the essay: [FONT=Arial][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Again, let us put this into context: [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]bayd katayb kahhu mat jhoothay jhoothaa jo na bichaarai.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ja-o sabh meh ayk khudaa-ay kahat ha-o ta-o ki-o murgee maarai.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]mulaaN kahhu ni-aa-o khudaa-ee.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]tayray man kaa bharam na jaa-ee.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] rahaa-o.[/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]pakar jee-o aani-aa dayh binaasee maatee ka-o bismil kee-aa.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]jot saroop anaahat laagee kaho halaal ki-aa kee-aa.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ki-aa ujoo paak kee-aa muhu Dho-i-aa ki-aa maseet sir laa-i-aa.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ja-o dil meh kapat nivaaj gujaarahu ki-aa haj kaabai jaa-i-aa.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]tooN naapaak paak nahee soojhi-aa tis kaa maram na jaani-aa.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kahi kabeer bhisat tay chookaa dojak si-o man maani-aa.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Do not say that the Vedas, the Bible and the Koran are false. Those who do not contemplate them are false.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]You say that the One Lord is in all, so why do you kill chickens?[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]O Mullah, tell me: is this God's Justice?[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]The doubts of your mind have not been dispelled.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] Pause[/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]You seize a living creature, and then bring it home and kill its body; you have killed only the clay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]The light of the soul passes into another form. So tell me, what have you killed?[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]And what good are your purifications? Why do you bother to wash your face? And why do you bother to bow your head in the mosque?[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Your heart is full of hypocrisy; what good are your prayers or your pilgrimage to Mecca?[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]You are impure; you do not understand the Pure Lord. You do not know His Mystery.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Says Kabeer, you have missed out on paradise; your mind is set on hell.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=yellow][FONT=Arial][COLOR=blue]Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji[/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]First point to note is that [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/index.php?title=Halaal"][COLOR=blue][FONT=Arial]halaal[/FONT][/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] and [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/index.php?title=Bismil"][COLOR=blue][FONT=Arial]bismil[/FONT][/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial], does not mean kill but refers to a specific form of ritual slaughter. Put into context this is a comment on the Muslim sacrifice ritual where either a goat or a chicken is kept in the confines of the home and then ritually slaughtered as obeisance to Abraham. Kabeer is mocking the futility of this ritual and saying, that why are you doing this sacrifice just to emulate Gods asking of Abraham to kill his only son? It is a futile gesture that will not sway God. Abraham was sacrificing his son to God, however all the sacrifice in this instance has achieved is destruction of the outer shell of the chicken. The soul wont travel to God, but merely to another form. One can only understand this if one has a basic grasp of history. In this instance the person who tried to use this tukh as an anti-meat quotation was unaware of the Koranic context and had an extremely poor knowledge of Semitic history. [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]oraa gar paanee bha-i-aa jaa-ay mili-o dhal kool.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeeraa Dhoor sakayl kai puree-aa baaNDhee dayh.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]divas chaar ko paykhnaa ant khayh kee khayh.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer sooraj chaaNd kai udai bha-ee sabh dayh.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]gur gobind kay bin milay palat bha-ee sabh khayh.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]jah anbha-o tah bhai nahee jah bha-o tah har naahi.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kahi-o kabeer bichaar kai sant sunhu man maahi.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer jinahu kichhoo jaani-aa nahee tin sukh need bihaa-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]hamhu jo boojhaa boojhnaa pooree paree balaa-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]laagee chot maramm kee rahi-o kabeeraa tha-ur.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer chot suhaylee sayl kee laagat lay-ay usaas.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]chot sahaarai sabad kee taas guroo mai daas.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer mulaaN munaaray ki-aa chadheh saaN-ee na bahraa ho-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]jaa kaaran tooN baaNg deh dil hee bheetar jo-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]saykh sabooree baahraa ki-aa haj kaabay jaa-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer jaa kee dil saabat nahee taa ka-o kahaaN khudaa-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer alah kee kar bandagee jih simrat dukh jaa-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]dil meh saaN-ee pargatai bujhai balantee naaN-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer joree kee-ay julam hai kahtaa naa-o halaal.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]daftar laykhaa maaNgee-ai tab ho-igo ka-un havaal.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer khoob khaanaa kheechree jaa meh amrit lon.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]hayraa rotee kaarnay galaa kataavai ka-un.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer gur laagaa tab jaanee-ai mitai moh tan taap.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]harakh sog daajhai nahee tab har aapeh aap.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer raam kahan meh bhayd hai taa meh ayk bichaar.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]so-ee raam sabhai kaheh so-ee ka-utakhaar.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer raamai raam kaho kahibay maahi bibayk.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ayk anaykeh mil ga-i-aa ayk samaanaa ayk.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kab[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]eer jaa ghar saaDh na sayvee-ah har kee sayvaa naahi[I].[/I][/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]tay ghar marhat saarkhay bhoot baseh tin maahi.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer goongaa hoo-aa baavraa bahraa hoo-aa kaan.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]paavhu tay pingul bha-i-aa maari-aa satgur baan.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer satgur soormay baahi-aa baan jo ayk.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]laagat hee bhu-ay gir pari-aa paraa karayjay chhayk.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer nirmal boond akaas kee par ga-ee bhoom bikaar.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]The hail-stone has melted into water, and flowed into the ocean.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, the body is a pile of dust, collected and packed together.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]It is a show which lasts for only a few days, and then dust returns to dust.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, bodies are like the rising and setting of the sun and the moon.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Without meeting the Guru, the Lord of the Universe, they are all reduced to dust again.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Where the Fearless Lord is, there is no fear; where there is fear, the Lord is not there.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer speaks after careful consideration; hear this, O Saints, in your minds.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, those who do not know anything, pass their lives in peaceful sleep.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]But I have understood the riddle; I am faced with all sorts of troubles.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Struck by the Mystery of God, Kabeer remains silent.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, the stroke of a lance is easy to bear; it takes away the breath.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]But one who endures the stroke of the Word of the Shabad is the Guru, and I am his slave.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer: O Mullah, why do you climb to the top of the minaret? The Lord is not hard of hearing.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Look within your own heart for the One, for whose sake you shout your prayers.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Why does the Shaykh bother to go on pilgrimage to Mecca, if he is not content with himself?[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, one whose heart is not healthy and whole - how can he attain his Lord?[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, worship the Lord Allah; meditating in remembrance on Him, troubles and pains depart.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]The Lord shall be revealed within your own heart, and the burning fire within shall be extinguished by His Name.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, to use force is tyranny, even if you call it legal.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]When your account is called for in the Court of the Lord, what will your condition be then?[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, the dinner of beans and rice is excellent, if it is flavored with salt.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Who would cut his throat, to have meat with his bread?[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, one is known to have been touched by the Guru, only when his emotional attachment and physical illnesses are eradicated.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]He is not burned by pleasure or pain, and so he becomes the Lord Himself.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, it does make a difference, how you chant the Lord's Name, 'Raam'. This is something to consider.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Everyone uses the same word for the son of Dasrath and the Wondrous Lord.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, use the word 'Raam', only to speak of the All-pervading Lord. You must make that distinction.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]One 'Raam' is pervading everywhere, while the other is contained only in himself.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, those houses in which neither the Holy nor the Lord are served [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]those houses are like cremation grounds; demons dwell within them.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, I have become mute, insane and deaf.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]I am crippled - the True Guru has pierced me with His Arrow.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, the True Guru, the Spiritual Warrior, has shot me with His Arrow.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]As soon as it struck me, I fell to the ground, with a hole in my heart.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, the pure drop of water falls from the sky, onto the dirty ground.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=yellow][FONT=Arial][COLOR=blue]Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji[/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR] [CENTER][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]At one level this is a mistranslation and at another misrepresentation of the context within which this is written: [/FONT][/COLOR][/CENTER] [COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer khoob khaanaa kheechree jaa meh amrit lon.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, the dinner of beans and rice is excellent, if it is flavored with salt. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]hayraa rotee kaarnay galaa kataavai ka-un. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Who would cut his throat, to have meat with his bread? [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=yellow][FONT=Arial][COLOR=blue]Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji[/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]In the above Gurmukhi, there is no mention of meat whatsoever. [I]hayraa rotee kaarnay galaa kataavai ka-un[/I], means literally, who would cut their own throat to eat food. The person who has tried to translate this has added his/her own spin .What this is actually saying is that to the follower of the Guru or one who has been touched by God a simple dish of Kheechree (lentils and rice), flavoured with salt is enough. To have something more exotic to eat you would not cut your own throat (the western equivalent would be to cut your own nose off to spite your face). In no way is this tukh anything to do with meat eating and the person who has misrepresented and mistranslated it should be held to account for his/her actions. [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT]PS When I said this sounded more like Vaishnavism I meant YOUR interpretation was more akin to Vaishnavism. ;) :singhsippingcoffee: [/QUOTE]
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