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<blockquote data-quote="Randip Singh" data-source="post: 109484" data-attributes="member: 1323"><p>Hmmm.</p><p></p><p>panthkhalsa.org is a biased site. They are fanatically anti-meat and are run by the AKJ.</p><p></p><p>I don't buy this releasing of souls, and I will tell you why. The Guru's never interfered with God's will. They never brought people back to life, the never did miracles, and never released souls. </p><p></p><p>This rabbit story would imply that the Guru's were vengeful too, i.e. they took people lives for betraying them? I say NEVER! </p><p></p><p>Guru's did not even take vengeance on those that killed their family members, so why would they do this to a follower. When Guru Gobind Singh ji sent Bandha Bahadhur to punish Wazir Khan, he did not send him in revenge for what happened to the Sahibzadhey but for the depredations he was committing while the Emperor was stalling in negotiations. So I firmly believe it was not for releasing souls.</p><p></p><p>In any case who is to say that a person who is killing animal for food is not releasing the soul for a better life? This way at least the flesh is not wasted.</p><p></p><p>In Dasam Granth Guruji states:</p><p></p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'AnmolDevanSpl'">ਚੌਪਈ ॥</span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'AnmolDevanSpl'">चौपई ॥</span></em></p><p><em>CHAUPAI</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'AnmolDevanSpl'">ਰਾਜ ਸਾਜ ਹਮ ਪਰ ਜਬ ਆਯੋ ॥ ਜਥਾ ਸਕਤਿ ਤਬ ਧਰਮ ਚਲਾਯੋ ॥</span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'AnmolDevanSpl'">राज साज हम पर जब आयो ॥ जथा सकति तब धरम चलायो ॥</span></em></p><p><em>When I obtained the position of responsibility, I performed the religious acts to the best of my ability.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'AnmolDevanSpl'">ਭਾਂਤਿ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਬਨਿ ਖੇਲ ਸਿਕਾਰਾ ॥ ਮਾਰੇ ਰੀਛ ਰੋਝ ਝੰਖਾਰਾ ॥੧॥</span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'AnmolDevanSpl'">भांति भांति बनि खेल सिकारा ॥ मारे रीछ रोझ झंखारा ॥१॥</span></em></p><p><em>I went hunting various kinds of animals in the forest and killed bears, nilgais (blue bulls) and elks.1.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'AnmolDevanSpl'">ਦੇਸ ਚਾਲ ਹਮ ਤੇ ਪੁਨਿ ਭਈ ॥ ਸਹਰ ਪਾਂਵਟਾ ਕੀ ਸੁਧਿ ਲਈ ॥</span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'AnmolDevanSpl'">देस चाल हम ते पुनि भई ॥ सहर पांवटा की सुधि लई ॥</span></em></p><p><em>Then I left my home and went to place named Paonta.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'AnmolDevanSpl'">ਕਾਲਿੰਦ੍ਰੀ ਤਟਿ ਕਰੇ ਬਿਲਾਸਾ ॥ ਅਨਿਕ ਭਾਂਤ ਕੇ ਪੇਖਿ ਤਮਾਸਾ ॥੨॥</span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'AnmolDevanSpl'">कालिंद्री तटि करे बिलासा ॥ अनिक भांत के पेखि तमासा ॥२॥</span></em></p><p><em>I enjoyed my stay on the banks of Kalindri (Yamuna) and saw amusement of various kind2.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'AnmolDevanSpl'">ਤਹ ਕੇ ਸਿੰਘ ਘਨੇ ਚੁਨਿ ਮਾਰੇ ॥ ਰੋਝ ਰੀਛ ਬਹੁ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਬਿਦਾਰੇ ॥</span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'AnmolDevanSpl'">तह के सिंघ घने चुनि मारे ॥ रोझ रीछ बहु भांति बिदारे ॥</span></em></p><p><em>There I killed may lions, nilgais and bears.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'AnmolDevanSpl'">ਫਤੇਸਾਹ ਕੋਪਾ ਤਬਿ ਰਾਜਾ ॥ ਲੋਹ ਪਰਾ ਹਮ ਸੋ ਬਿਨੁ ਕਾਜਾ ॥੩॥</span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'AnmolDevanSpl'">फतेसाह कोपा तबि राजा ॥ लोह परा हम सो बिनु काजा ॥३॥</span></em></p><p><em>On this the king Fateh Shah become angry and fought with me without any reason.3.</em></p><p></p><p>Guruji and his Sikhs killed these animals for the following reason:</p><p></p><p>1) Fierce animals that terrorised locals</p><p>2) Food</p><p>3) Train his Sikhs (hunting was used as a sport to train warriors)</p><p></p><p>AKJ (and other sects) always have to make spurious reasons up, when the obvious is staring them in the face.:whisling:</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Randip Singh, post: 109484, member: 1323"] Hmmm. panthkhalsa.org is a biased site. They are fanatically anti-meat and are run by the AKJ. I don't buy this releasing of souls, and I will tell you why. The Guru's never interfered with God's will. They never brought people back to life, the never did miracles, and never released souls. This rabbit story would imply that the Guru's were vengeful too, i.e. they took people lives for betraying them? I say NEVER! Guru's did not even take vengeance on those that killed their family members, so why would they do this to a follower. When Guru Gobind Singh ji sent Bandha Bahadhur to punish Wazir Khan, he did not send him in revenge for what happened to the Sahibzadhey but for the depredations he was committing while the Emperor was stalling in negotiations. So I firmly believe it was not for releasing souls. In any case who is to say that a person who is killing animal for food is not releasing the soul for a better life? This way at least the flesh is not wasted. In Dasam Granth Guruji states: [I][FONT=AnmolDevanSpl]ਚੌਪਈ ॥[/FONT] [FONT=AnmolDevanSpl]चौपई ॥[/FONT] CHAUPAI [FONT=AnmolDevanSpl]ਰਾਜ ਸਾਜ ਹਮ ਪਰ ਜਬ ਆਯੋ ॥ ਜਥਾ ਸਕਤਿ ਤਬ ਧਰਮ ਚਲਾਯੋ ॥[/FONT] [FONT=AnmolDevanSpl]राज साज हम पर जब आयो ॥ जथा सकति तब धरम चलायो ॥[/FONT] When I obtained the position of responsibility, I performed the religious acts to the best of my ability. [FONT=AnmolDevanSpl]ਭਾਂਤਿ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਬਨਿ ਖੇਲ ਸਿਕਾਰਾ ॥ ਮਾਰੇ ਰੀਛ ਰੋਝ ਝੰਖਾਰਾ ॥੧॥[/FONT] [FONT=AnmolDevanSpl]भांति भांति बनि खेल सिकारा ॥ मारे रीछ रोझ झंखारा ॥१॥[/FONT] I went hunting various kinds of animals in the forest and killed bears, nilgais (blue bulls) and elks.1. [FONT=AnmolDevanSpl]ਦੇਸ ਚਾਲ ਹਮ ਤੇ ਪੁਨਿ ਭਈ ॥ ਸਹਰ ਪਾਂਵਟਾ ਕੀ ਸੁਧਿ ਲਈ ॥[/FONT] [FONT=AnmolDevanSpl]देस चाल हम ते पुनि भई ॥ सहर पांवटा की सुधि लई ॥[/FONT] Then I left my home and went to place named Paonta. [FONT=AnmolDevanSpl]ਕਾਲਿੰਦ੍ਰੀ ਤਟਿ ਕਰੇ ਬਿਲਾਸਾ ॥ ਅਨਿਕ ਭਾਂਤ ਕੇ ਪੇਖਿ ਤਮਾਸਾ ॥੨॥[/FONT] [FONT=AnmolDevanSpl]कालिंद्री तटि करे बिलासा ॥ अनिक भांत के पेखि तमासा ॥२॥[/FONT] I enjoyed my stay on the banks of Kalindri (Yamuna) and saw amusement of various kind2. [FONT=AnmolDevanSpl]ਤਹ ਕੇ ਸਿੰਘ ਘਨੇ ਚੁਨਿ ਮਾਰੇ ॥ ਰੋਝ ਰੀਛ ਬਹੁ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਬਿਦਾਰੇ ॥[/FONT] [FONT=AnmolDevanSpl]तह के सिंघ घने चुनि मारे ॥ रोझ रीछ बहु भांति बिदारे ॥[/FONT] There I killed may lions, nilgais and bears. [FONT=AnmolDevanSpl]ਫਤੇਸਾਹ ਕੋਪਾ ਤਬਿ ਰਾਜਾ ॥ ਲੋਹ ਪਰਾ ਹਮ ਸੋ ਬਿਨੁ ਕਾਜਾ ॥੩॥[/FONT] [FONT=AnmolDevanSpl]फतेसाह कोपा तबि राजा ॥ लोह परा हम सो बिनु काजा ॥३॥[/FONT] On this the king Fateh Shah become angry and fought with me without any reason.3.[/I] Guruji and his Sikhs killed these animals for the following reason: 1) Fierce animals that terrorised locals 2) Food 3) Train his Sikhs (hunting was used as a sport to train warriors) AKJ (and other sects) always have to make spurious reasons up, when the obvious is staring them in the face.:whisling: [/QUOTE]
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