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<blockquote data-quote="Tejwant Singh" data-source="post: 188379" data-attributes="member: 138"><p>Akiva ji,</p><p></p><p>Guru Fateh.</p><p></p><p>First of all let's be open and honest in our interaction. Let's not try to twist things later on when the original posts show the things themselves.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Which person in you opinion is giving langar to 70,000 people in Darbar Sahib or any other Gurdwaras around the world? Can you name any? You can not because it is a community service, the part you fail to grasp. Many people donate money for it, many do seva in the kitchen and langar halls. Hence your claim is totally false and meaningless and rather insulting to the practice that demonstrates equality among all, irrespective of their hue, creed or faith. Your being an Ex Catholic,as you claimed in one of your earlier posts should know better that a non Catholic or even a divorced Catholic is not even allowed a communion. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What is that to do with the thread? And I asked you if you understood the meaning of Turban for a Sikh. Mixing apples and oranges is totally irrelevant to the thread and you know that. One wonders who is trying to argue here!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>First, Guru Nanak objects to any kind of religious fasting. For a Sikh all kinds of religious fasting is meaningless no matter what the intent of a person may be and he proved that why. And again what does wearing a turban a Sikh's crown which was borne out of defiance has to do with fasting? How does one make the connection unless one wants to start a meaningless argument.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This shows how little you know about the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and the word Sikh. Please try to learn about them and then if you have any questions, do not hesitate to ask. I never said Sikhi is the only way,neither does the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. I wish you knew that. For Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, everyone is a Sikh, a learner, a student, a seeker unless one refuses to learn.</p><p></p><p>Are you trying to imply that truthful living is not meaningful for all humankind?Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji says it is and that it what I said in my post. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Some terms have a different meaning for some. I asked you a question. What do you understand by Simran. It may differ from what I understand. So, if you do not want to answer, it is OK with me but please do not imply that I can read your mind.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is the exactly what I meant in #5, the part you ignored. Here you are telling me what you understand by the usage of the words "meaningful" and "mindful". Why would that be different for #5?</p><p></p><p>Having said that, there is nothing zen about these two words for me. They are self explanatory in any usage. So what you said is what they mean in the real sense of the words. Hence, meaniningless langar means what you said above in your zen manner. Langar is the end product that is being served to feed the hungry as part of the seva by many not by just one as you mentioned above. It is served, not thrown at people. Being mindful, and meaningful is only an individual endeavour whereas Langar is a collective one where many partake. Fasting is an individual endeavour unlike Langar.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Your above claim shows that it is you who have not read what I wrote. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I responded:</p><p><span style="color: Navy">Sikhi is based on the concept of Miri/Piri, the balancing act between the temporal and the spiritual what I call- The Gurmat Fulcrum. Hence your above comment has nothing to do with Sikhi.</span></p><p> </p><p>Allow me to put in a different way. Are you implying that your parents were not true to themselves when they sowed the seed to conceive you with the help of two bodies and their lust?</p><p></p><p>The balancing act between the temporal and spiritual is for all to balance whether one is a Sikh or not if one wants to pitch in the society one lives in a fruitful manner. And yes, I am questioning the practices of fasting as a balancing act. You have not given me any solid reason but just feelings.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So, you mean Google is your encyclopedia? If it is, please share what you claim to have found as asked earlier.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I beg to differ. One religion means the same to all, otherwise one would not adhere to that particular religion. It has its own laws for everyone to follow.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Here we go again. You love to distort what has been said and then one wonders who is being arrogant here!</p><p></p><p>This is what I said:</p><p></p><p><span style="color: Navy">If it is religious then, the "fruit/end" to the means of religious fasting should be the same to all the people belonging to the religion, otherwise the religion itself becomes meaningless.</span></p><p><span style="color: Navy">It is nothing but fake humility and false pride laced with me-ism.</span></p><p></p><p>Please do not pick and choose some words from the whole thought expressed. Be mindful and meaningful in your Zen way to give yourself a chance to grasp the whole meaning. I wonder why you missed the beginning of the statement which starts with "If"</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Still no solid proof of the latter as requested by Spnadmin ji and myself. It is just rhetoric. Any data to back your claim as asked before?</p><p></p><p>Good interaction. I thank you for that.</p><p></p><p>Regards</p><p></p><p>Tejwant Singh</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tejwant Singh, post: 188379, member: 138"] Akiva ji, Guru Fateh. First of all let's be open and honest in our interaction. Let's not try to twist things later on when the original posts show the things themselves. Which person in you opinion is giving langar to 70,000 people in Darbar Sahib or any other Gurdwaras around the world? Can you name any? You can not because it is a community service, the part you fail to grasp. Many people donate money for it, many do seva in the kitchen and langar halls. Hence your claim is totally false and meaningless and rather insulting to the practice that demonstrates equality among all, irrespective of their hue, creed or faith. Your being an Ex Catholic,as you claimed in one of your earlier posts should know better that a non Catholic or even a divorced Catholic is not even allowed a communion. What is that to do with the thread? And I asked you if you understood the meaning of Turban for a Sikh. Mixing apples and oranges is totally irrelevant to the thread and you know that. One wonders who is trying to argue here! First, Guru Nanak objects to any kind of religious fasting. For a Sikh all kinds of religious fasting is meaningless no matter what the intent of a person may be and he proved that why. And again what does wearing a turban a Sikh's crown which was borne out of defiance has to do with fasting? How does one make the connection unless one wants to start a meaningless argument. This shows how little you know about the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and the word Sikh. Please try to learn about them and then if you have any questions, do not hesitate to ask. I never said Sikhi is the only way,neither does the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. I wish you knew that. For Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, everyone is a Sikh, a learner, a student, a seeker unless one refuses to learn. Are you trying to imply that truthful living is not meaningful for all humankind?Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji says it is and that it what I said in my post. Some terms have a different meaning for some. I asked you a question. What do you understand by Simran. It may differ from what I understand. So, if you do not want to answer, it is OK with me but please do not imply that I can read your mind. This is the exactly what I meant in #5, the part you ignored. Here you are telling me what you understand by the usage of the words "meaningful" and "mindful". Why would that be different for #5? Having said that, there is nothing zen about these two words for me. They are self explanatory in any usage. So what you said is what they mean in the real sense of the words. Hence, meaniningless langar means what you said above in your zen manner. Langar is the end product that is being served to feed the hungry as part of the seva by many not by just one as you mentioned above. It is served, not thrown at people. Being mindful, and meaningful is only an individual endeavour whereas Langar is a collective one where many partake. Fasting is an individual endeavour unlike Langar. Your above claim shows that it is you who have not read what I wrote. I responded: [COLOR="Navy"]Sikhi is based on the concept of Miri/Piri, the balancing act between the temporal and the spiritual what I call- The Gurmat Fulcrum. Hence your above comment has nothing to do with Sikhi.[/COLOR] Allow me to put in a different way. Are you implying that your parents were not true to themselves when they sowed the seed to conceive you with the help of two bodies and their lust? The balancing act between the temporal and spiritual is for all to balance whether one is a Sikh or not if one wants to pitch in the society one lives in a fruitful manner. And yes, I am questioning the practices of fasting as a balancing act. You have not given me any solid reason but just feelings. So, you mean Google is your encyclopedia? If it is, please share what you claim to have found as asked earlier. I beg to differ. One religion means the same to all, otherwise one would not adhere to that particular religion. It has its own laws for everyone to follow. Here we go again. You love to distort what has been said and then one wonders who is being arrogant here! This is what I said: [COLOR="Navy"]If it is religious then, the "fruit/end" to the means of religious fasting should be the same to all the people belonging to the religion, otherwise the religion itself becomes meaningless. It is nothing but fake humility and false pride laced with me-ism.[/COLOR] Please do not pick and choose some words from the whole thought expressed. Be mindful and meaningful in your Zen way to give yourself a chance to grasp the whole meaning. I wonder why you missed the beginning of the statement which starts with "If" Still no solid proof of the latter as requested by Spnadmin ji and myself. It is just rhetoric. Any data to back your claim as asked before? Good interaction. I thank you for that. Regards Tejwant Singh [/QUOTE]
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