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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="JtotheAtothe..." data-source="post: 53761" data-attributes="member: 4666"><p>I have not read everyone's posts here, but I would like to share my thoughts which might repeat ideas already mentioned. </p><p></p><p>1. First on the Morality:</p><p style="margin-left: 20px"> Morality really is not really derived from Gods. It is indirectly hardwired into our genetics. Our genes do not have a gene which comprises the moral system (or at least not found yet, or I have not learned of it). What we do have is emotion. Our emotions give us the ability to judge. It is merely intinctual, thus the plausibility of evolution. Animals react to their environment based on judgements they make. These judgements come from logic and emotions. But logic is also a reactionary process, based on experience coming from reactions to events and judgements made on these based on the emotions drawn out by said events. Thus a cheetah does not mind killing animals as he has found our from experience of hunger that it provides him with food. A chimpanzee finding a yound child(human) will come to its rescue and offer it food (yes, food, a force of good). This last example I heard on an excellent radio program "Radio Lab" on a piece titled "Morality" (check it out; it is extermely well produced and very interesint). </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"> Now to apply this to humans. Look at the years of slavery under the belt of the human race. Was it good morally? Obviously not. Now. At the time of the old, human judgement allowed it as acceptable. Only more human familiarity with this experience allowed us to deem this act immoral. Now you would certainly not agree that God decided to give us the righteous moral concerning slavery. It has been part of human history longer than it has not been. And still is present to this day. Why did god decider after thousands of years of slavery, that it was a bad idea? He didn't, we did. </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"> Our religion, Sikhism, is based around notions of ego, greed, materialism. These notions also reactionary discoveries. The world of that time was becoming the world we know today. Materialism was becoming a sickness, and greed grew more along with ego. The gurus determined these vices of man were negative; therefore, their concern with removing one of these vices. These morals taught by the gurus are reactionary judgements which arise through human evolution. But why do the Gurus concern with God if all this is, is just a natural order of genetics? </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>2. The answer to this question is simple if your willing to accept it or complicated. </p><p style="margin-left: 20px">The simple answer is that God is also a reactionary judgement. This judgement comes from the very questions you ask. On their natural path they lead to puzzlement and chaos( the 3rd law). But we cannot have this. We must answer these questions as we, you and me, are doing this very instant. Thus arises God, a mythical figure who completes the incomplete dome above our heads, answering our puzzles and bring order (yes the opposite of the 3rd law). By the means of God we the creation, we have inbetween, we have the destruction. God reverses the 3rd law of thermodynamics for us. </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"> The talk of aliens is quite interesting. <u>If you believe in god, that god exists, then you must also beleive in aliens, that aliens exist somewhere in the universe. </u></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Elder people (many I personally know at least) or unwilling to accept the possible existence of aliens; yet, they are adamant on the existence of God. This paradox boggles my mind as both concepts require blind faith. Moreso, it is highly unlikely that they will ever meet god, a spiritual figure who may not be physical, as they are prone to the same vices we are, but they cannot believe that aliens, physical forms much like ourselves, exist somewhere. </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>3. Lastly, science is hard at finding the facts to these questions. </p><p style="margin-left: 20px">But you must remember most of everything in science is theoretical. Some people will use physics (I know one in particular) to justify the creation business and God. But they forget that what they using as proof is merely theoretical physics, the most-theoretical-of-all physics. It is not easy proving or not proving God. But what we can say is God is an idea, a theory (I do not know any one, personally, who has met God). THe for-god people always invalidate the no-god people by saying that they cannot factually disprove God's existence, that they can only theorize of such proofs. But I ask you, is there need to disprove god, if it is only an idea created by the for-god people. (This idea is really hard to put to words, but I am trying my best and more than likely setting myself up for the same attack I just discussed). Do i disprove something's existence if it does not exist. If I did not know of the notion of aliens, I would have nothing to disprove. </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>So pick your posion, order or chaos. Order comes as God, and chaos comes in existence.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JtotheAtothe..., post: 53761, member: 4666"] I have not read everyone's posts here, but I would like to share my thoughts which might repeat ideas already mentioned. 1. First on the Morality: [INDENT] Morality really is not really derived from Gods. It is indirectly hardwired into our genetics. Our genes do not have a gene which comprises the moral system (or at least not found yet, or I have not learned of it). What we do have is emotion. Our emotions give us the ability to judge. It is merely intinctual, thus the plausibility of evolution. Animals react to their environment based on judgements they make. These judgements come from logic and emotions. But logic is also a reactionary process, based on experience coming from reactions to events and judgements made on these based on the emotions drawn out by said events. Thus a cheetah does not mind killing animals as he has found our from experience of hunger that it provides him with food. A chimpanzee finding a yound child(human) will come to its rescue and offer it food (yes, food, a force of good). This last example I heard on an excellent radio program "Radio Lab" on a piece titled "Morality" (check it out; it is extermely well produced and very interesint). [/INDENT] [INDENT] Now to apply this to humans. Look at the years of slavery under the belt of the human race. Was it good morally? Obviously not. Now. At the time of the old, human judgement allowed it as acceptable. Only more human familiarity with this experience allowed us to deem this act immoral. Now you would certainly not agree that God decided to give us the righteous moral concerning slavery. It has been part of human history longer than it has not been. And still is present to this day. Why did god decider after thousands of years of slavery, that it was a bad idea? He didn't, we did. [/INDENT] [INDENT] Our religion, Sikhism, is based around notions of ego, greed, materialism. These notions also reactionary discoveries. The world of that time was becoming the world we know today. Materialism was becoming a sickness, and greed grew more along with ego. The gurus determined these vices of man were negative; therefore, their concern with removing one of these vices. These morals taught by the gurus are reactionary judgements which arise through human evolution. But why do the Gurus concern with God if all this is, is just a natural order of genetics? [/INDENT] 2. The answer to this question is simple if your willing to accept it or complicated. [INDENT]The simple answer is that God is also a reactionary judgement. This judgement comes from the very questions you ask. On their natural path they lead to puzzlement and chaos( the 3rd law). But we cannot have this. We must answer these questions as we, you and me, are doing this very instant. Thus arises God, a mythical figure who completes the incomplete dome above our heads, answering our puzzles and bring order (yes the opposite of the 3rd law). By the means of God we the creation, we have inbetween, we have the destruction. God reverses the 3rd law of thermodynamics for us. [/INDENT] [INDENT] The talk of aliens is quite interesting. [U]If you believe in god, that god exists, then you must also beleive in aliens, that aliens exist somewhere in the universe. [/U] [/INDENT][INDENT]Elder people (many I personally know at least) or unwilling to accept the possible existence of aliens; yet, they are adamant on the existence of God. This paradox boggles my mind as both concepts require blind faith. Moreso, it is highly unlikely that they will ever meet god, a spiritual figure who may not be physical, as they are prone to the same vices we are, but they cannot believe that aliens, physical forms much like ourselves, exist somewhere. [/INDENT] 3. Lastly, science is hard at finding the facts to these questions. [INDENT]But you must remember most of everything in science is theoretical. Some people will use physics (I know one in particular) to justify the creation business and God. But they forget that what they using as proof is merely theoretical physics, the most-theoretical-of-all physics. It is not easy proving or not proving God. But what we can say is God is an idea, a theory (I do not know any one, personally, who has met God). THe for-god people always invalidate the no-god people by saying that they cannot factually disprove God's existence, that they can only theorize of such proofs. But I ask you, is there need to disprove god, if it is only an idea created by the for-god people. (This idea is really hard to put to words, but I am trying my best and more than likely setting myself up for the same attack I just discussed). Do i disprove something's existence if it does not exist. If I did not know of the notion of aliens, I would have nothing to disprove. [/INDENT] So pick your posion, order or chaos. Order comes as God, and chaos comes in existence. [/QUOTE]
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