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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="Sinister" data-source="post: 53756" data-attributes="member: 2684"><p>Look, if you have doubt in well grounded evolutionary theory, its simply because you have not participated in higher level research. Alot has changed in the field of genetics since Darwin. THERE ARE VERY LITTLE LOOPHOLES IN THE SCIENCE OF GENETICS. Humans have evolved from single celled organisms without the intervention of a divine power (that much is what people in the scientific community call, "a justified true beleif")</p><p> </p><p>READ biological research on the "Zero Sum Game". And you will see how science beleives in morality at the Physiological level (NOT GENETIC LEVEL). It shows how cooperation of species and rules are estalished within a community of species. All mammalian Brains calculate and assess risk and using a logarithym type model make decisions, however these decisions can be influenced by emotions, upbringing and interactions....all these can be explained physiologically/sociologically. </p><p> </p><p><strong><u>The Decision making process is purely physiological. (and if we disagree on this then there really isnt any point going on further in this debate)</u></strong></p><p> </p><p>so depending on your risk assessment, your mood, your upbringing your brain makes decisions on interaction and morality in every day to day activity. (THIS IS KNOWN AS SYMBOLIC INTERACTIONISM...READ UP ON IT...INTERESTING STUFF)</p><p> </p><p>If your interested in psycho-analysis then definelty read into Freudian theories as well. (Sigmund Freud) </p><p> </p><p>But if your looking for theories on how life started or how matter/energy came into existance ... then sorry to say... science is not for you unless (that is neither the purpose or direction which many scientists take) you can state..."I do not know, and probably will never know"!</p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">Even Chalres Darwin used words like 'If','LEt us assume' etc. more than 800 times in his book to prove his point to the world. If people have to use 'LEt us assume' then using in only once anybody could become master of the universe. </span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">Above all 'By chance creation & Evolution' can't have such a beautiful design pattern unless somebody designs it. Einstein agreed that whole of the creation has a beautiful common design pattern.</span></p><p></p><p>The "ifs" and "buts" are largely dissapearing from evolutionary theories. Charles Darwin conducted a thought experiment (so he had to use those terms). It was Mendelian genetics that later grounded his work.</p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: #ff0000"> IF THEY DO THEY CONTRADICTS THEMSELF BECAUSE SCIENCE EVEN DECLINES MEMORY BEING CARRIED OUT BY GENES AND THUS DECLINE 'REINCARNATION' AND 'PEOPLE WHO REMEMBERS THEIR PAST LIFE' BUT THEY YET AGREE THAT GENETIC CODE CARRIES INFORMATION (LIKE COMPUTER PROGRAMS) FROM PREVIOUS GENRATION TO BE CARRIED OUT IN NEXT GENERATION WHICH CLEARLY CONTRADICTS ITSELF COZ MEMORY COULD BE A SORT OF INFORMATION AS WELL BEYOND THEIR EXISTING THEORIES.</span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: black">you are extremely confused my freind. Genetic materials carry ONLY phenotypic traits...NOTHING ELSE. But these phenotypic traits help us in our social setting. So indirectly genetics gives us morality. Indirectly our genes gives us the capacity to store reflexes and memory...etc.</span></strong></p><p><strong>You must look at the larger picture:</strong></p><p><strong><u>genes gives us a brain... the brain gives us morality</u></strong></p><p><strong><u>(now how is that difficult to understand and how can a person deny that?)</u></strong></p><p> </p><p>science is designed to contradict itself and become more precise. Pricsion is the goal of science not "absolute answers". </p><p><strong><u>PRECISION AND PREDICTABILITY IS WHAT CONTEMPORARY SCIENCE IS INTERESTED IN.</u></strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sinister, post: 53756, member: 2684"] Look, if you have doubt in well grounded evolutionary theory, its simply because you have not participated in higher level research. Alot has changed in the field of genetics since Darwin. THERE ARE VERY LITTLE LOOPHOLES IN THE SCIENCE OF GENETICS. Humans have evolved from single celled organisms without the intervention of a divine power (that much is what people in the scientific community call, "a justified true beleif") READ biological research on the "Zero Sum Game". And you will see how science beleives in morality at the Physiological level (NOT GENETIC LEVEL). It shows how cooperation of species and rules are estalished within a community of species. All mammalian Brains calculate and assess risk and using a logarithym type model make decisions, however these decisions can be influenced by emotions, upbringing and interactions....all these can be explained physiologically/sociologically. [B][U]The Decision making process is purely physiological. (and if we disagree on this then there really isnt any point going on further in this debate)[/U][/B] so depending on your risk assessment, your mood, your upbringing your brain makes decisions on interaction and morality in every day to day activity. (THIS IS KNOWN AS SYMBOLIC INTERACTIONISM...READ UP ON IT...INTERESTING STUFF) If your interested in psycho-analysis then definelty read into Freudian theories as well. (Sigmund Freud) But if your looking for theories on how life started or how matter/energy came into existance ... then sorry to say... science is not for you unless (that is neither the purpose or direction which many scientists take) you can state..."I do not know, and probably will never know"! [COLOR=#ff0000]Even Chalres Darwin used words like 'If','LEt us assume' etc. more than 800 times in his book to prove his point to the world. If people have to use 'LEt us assume' then using in only once anybody could become master of the universe. Above all 'By chance creation & Evolution' can't have such a beautiful design pattern unless somebody designs it. Einstein agreed that whole of the creation has a beautiful common design pattern.[/COLOR] The "ifs" and "buts" are largely dissapearing from evolutionary theories. Charles Darwin conducted a thought experiment (so he had to use those terms). It was Mendelian genetics that later grounded his work. [B][COLOR=#ff0000] IF THEY DO THEY CONTRADICTS THEMSELF BECAUSE SCIENCE EVEN DECLINES MEMORY BEING CARRIED OUT BY GENES AND THUS DECLINE 'REINCARNATION' AND 'PEOPLE WHO REMEMBERS THEIR PAST LIFE' BUT THEY YET AGREE THAT GENETIC CODE CARRIES INFORMATION (LIKE COMPUTER PROGRAMS) FROM PREVIOUS GENRATION TO BE CARRIED OUT IN NEXT GENERATION WHICH CLEARLY CONTRADICTS ITSELF COZ MEMORY COULD BE A SORT OF INFORMATION AS WELL BEYOND THEIR EXISTING THEORIES.[/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=#ff0000][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black]you are extremely confused my freind. Genetic materials carry ONLY phenotypic traits...NOTHING ELSE. But these phenotypic traits help us in our social setting. So indirectly genetics gives us morality. Indirectly our genes gives us the capacity to store reflexes and memory...etc.[/COLOR][/B] [B]You must look at the larger picture:[/B] [B][U]genes gives us a brain... the brain gives us morality[/U][/B] [B][U](now how is that difficult to understand and how can a person deny that?)[/U][/B] science is designed to contradict itself and become more precise. Pricsion is the goal of science not "absolute answers". [B][U]PRECISION AND PREDICTABILITY IS WHAT CONTEMPORARY SCIENCE IS INTERESTED IN.[/U][/B] [/QUOTE]
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