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ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
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Thittee (296-300)
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Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="spnadmin" data-source="post: 110279" data-attributes="member: 35"><p>Yes you have stated that 'coming and going' is not fatalistic in Sikhee and it can be ended whilst Alive. I have acknowledged that.</p><p></p><p>Yes Manmukhs on death merge in the SAT. Everything on death is merged back into the SAT because it came from the SAT and goes back to the SAT. If not all of creation does not return to the SAT, then where does it go? The answer cannot be that it reincarnates until it is ready, purified, liberated -- and only then it goes back to the SAT. Because the SAT pervades everywhere. </p><p></p><p><span style="color: Black">ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਇਕੁ ਵਰਤਦਾ ਏਕੋ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਇ ॥</span></p><p><span style="color: Black"></span> <span style="color: Black"> sabh mehi eik varathadhaa eaeko rehiaa samaae ||</span></p><p><span style="color: Black"></span> <span style="color: Black"> The One Lord permeates all. The One Lord is pervading everywhere.</span></p><p></p><p>We can't escape the SAT. It is already our identity. What we can do is ignore this Truth. When we ignore it then we cause pain for ourselves and for those whom our actions affect. Then we are manmukh.</p><p></p><p>To see reincarnation as a process for "getting there" -- but only after we get it right-- is the image of a Divine lottery. The theory of reincarnation then would be that in some "joon" we finally get it, achieve mukhtee, and hit the "number." And even within that theory of a Divine lottery that we achieve mukhtee during the only lifetime of which we are aware. There is no morality nor justice in this theory because we can count on another chance and another chance and another chance -- and always counting on another joon to put our affairs in order and overcome ego, lust, greed, anger, attachment. Meanwhile we cause greate suffering.</p><p></p><p>Yes manmukhs merge back into the SAT. So what is the point of being a Gurmukh? It is answered in Gurbani -</p><p><span style="color: Black">ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਪੂਰਾ ਜੇ ਕਰੇ ਪਾਈਐ ਸਾਚੁ ਅਤੋਲੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥</span></p><p><span style="color: Black"></span> <span style="color: Black"> guramukh pooraa jae karae paaeeai saach athol ||1|| rehaao ||</span></p><p><span style="color: Black"></span> <span style="color: Black"> One who attains perfection as Gurmukh, obtains the Immeasurable True Lord. ||1||Pause||</span></p><p></p><p>...it is the priceless jewel that is obtained in this lifetime. Awareness of this jewel is obtained by the Gurmukh. To overcome "coming and going" and obtain mukhtee is not the <strong>reason</strong> to be Gurmukh. It is the consequence: </p><p></p><p>ਹਰਿ ਜਪਿ ਜੀਅਰੇ ਛੁਟੀਐ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਚੀਨੈ ਆਪੁ ॥੩॥</p><p> har jap jeearae shhutteeai guramukh cheenai aap ||3||</p><p> Chanting the Name of the Lord, O my soul, you shall be emancipated; as <span style="color: Black">Gurmukh,</span> you shall come to understand your own self. ||3||</p><p></p><p> There is no other reason to be a Gurmukh than to be the pure and happy soul bride. To obtain spiritual wisdom. Instead of <strong>suspecting</strong> the Gurmukh knows that the Naam abides within. When we obtain this priceless jewel we become better people in this lifetime and do not cause pain and suffering for others. The reward is immediate. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="spnadmin, post: 110279, member: 35"] Yes you have stated that 'coming and going' is not fatalistic in Sikhee and it can be ended whilst Alive. I have acknowledged that. Yes Manmukhs on death merge in the SAT. Everything on death is merged back into the SAT because it came from the SAT and goes back to the SAT. If not all of creation does not return to the SAT, then where does it go? The answer cannot be that it reincarnates until it is ready, purified, liberated -- and only then it goes back to the SAT. Because the SAT pervades everywhere. [COLOR=Black]ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਇਕੁ ਵਰਤਦਾ ਏਕੋ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਇ ॥ [/COLOR] [COLOR=Black] sabh mehi eik varathadhaa eaeko rehiaa samaae || [/COLOR] [COLOR=Black] The One Lord permeates all. The One Lord is pervading everywhere.[/COLOR] We can't escape the SAT. It is already our identity. What we can do is ignore this Truth. When we ignore it then we cause pain for ourselves and for those whom our actions affect. Then we are manmukh. To see reincarnation as a process for "getting there" -- but only after we get it right-- is the image of a Divine lottery. The theory of reincarnation then would be that in some "joon" we finally get it, achieve mukhtee, and hit the "number." And even within that theory of a Divine lottery that we achieve mukhtee during the only lifetime of which we are aware. There is no morality nor justice in this theory because we can count on another chance and another chance and another chance -- and always counting on another joon to put our affairs in order and overcome ego, lust, greed, anger, attachment. Meanwhile we cause greate suffering. Yes manmukhs merge back into the SAT. So what is the point of being a Gurmukh? It is answered in Gurbani - [COLOR=Black]ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਪੂਰਾ ਜੇ ਕਰੇ ਪਾਈਐ ਸਾਚੁ ਅਤੋਲੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ [/COLOR] [COLOR=Black] guramukh pooraa jae karae paaeeai saach athol ||1|| rehaao || [/COLOR] [COLOR=Black] One who attains perfection as Gurmukh, obtains the Immeasurable True Lord. ||1||Pause||[/COLOR] ...it is the priceless jewel that is obtained in this lifetime. Awareness of this jewel is obtained by the Gurmukh. To overcome "coming and going" and obtain mukhtee is not the [B]reason[/B] to be Gurmukh. It is the consequence: ਹਰਿ ਜਪਿ ਜੀਅਰੇ ਛੁਟੀਐ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਚੀਨੈ ਆਪੁ ॥੩॥ har jap jeearae shhutteeai guramukh cheenai aap ||3|| Chanting the Name of the Lord, O my soul, you shall be emancipated; as [COLOR=Black]Gurmukh,[/COLOR] you shall come to understand your own self. ||3|| There is no other reason to be a Gurmukh than to be the pure and happy soul bride. To obtain spiritual wisdom. Instead of [B]suspecting[/B] the Gurmukh knows that the Naam abides within. When we obtain this priceless jewel we become better people in this lifetime and do not cause pain and suffering for others. The reward is immediate. :) [/QUOTE]
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