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Composition, Arrangement & Layout
ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="drkhalsa" data-source="post: 11440" data-attributes="member: 384"><p><strong>Re: Respect For Guru Ji - Guru Granth Sahib</strong></p><p></p><p>Dear Singh ji </p><p> </p><p>Thanks taking time to respond to my post </p><p> </p><p>Now you have raised really very good point </p><p> </p><p>Surprising what you said never crossed my mind when i was writing this </p><p> </p><p>Now what do I mean when I say that IN presense of Guruji Sarrop it was not apropiate to drink alcohol when god is omnipresent</p><p> </p><p>First of all I never said it was ok to or a good thing to drink alcohol </p><p> </p><p>now IF somebody drinks alcohol and ou think that it is not ok would you like to go to his home to show your objection even that when he is enjoying his maariage party</p><p> </p><p>God is omnipresent that is what Guru ji teaches i teaches us but the thing is are you really capable enough the feel the presense of Akl purakh in each and evry thing that exist (non dualism ) as I understand that this the destination of the person on the path of sikhi ( as for me still I am not that capable ) Knowing vvery well that guruji teaches us nondualism but I just cant pretend till I reach that state </p><p> </p><p>Now when you say ritualism in gurdwara that god is there not outside That could be purely you r way of interpreting thing nothe reality , now you cant say for sure how many people out there in gurdwara showing extra devotion to small menial things in gurdwara are real shardalu who spend all the day in their jobs and home and didn’t put concoiuness toward akal purakh but when they reach gurdwara they might have got opportunity to do so seeing other people (sangat ) and this might appear ritualism to you </p><p> </p><p>Now it is different case for somebody spiritually more advanced who already spends all his day in reme,brance of akal purakh and when he come to gurdwara he will behave quite normally as he behave outside gurdwara .</p><p> </p><p>But if this fellow thinks that all others there are just ritualistic doing nonsense then offcourse this would be qite ignorant on his part </p><p> </p><p>Now question is how sikhi is different from older ritualistict religion </p><p> </p><p>As I think religions are just like school of spirituality and sikhi is school in which human can start from scratch and go uptu eternity and any body staring new will apper ritualistic to you biut eventually they will leave it go to higher state while this may not happen in other religion where person can remain ritualistic from start to end </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Now I tell you about my personal experience I do try to remember akalpurakh all the time ( as much as possible but there are days when become so muddled up in day to day and nonse issue that feel distant from akal purakh and the I only realise when I reach gurdwar and it is the difference that I feel when I reach gurudwra and do guruji darshan and sangats darshan so obviously my behaviour do change while in gurdwara and if you would like to call it ritualism then I am quite happy with it </p><p> </p><p>The other option I have is that I just start pretending like oh god is every where ( that what my knowledge says) so what is so special in this place called gurdwara and So miss the only opportunity in a day available to me to improve myself </p><p> </p><p>So I think IF With akal purakh kirpa I am also so blessed that I could actually precieve ( not just the abstract knowledge of this fact ) the omnipresense of god every where my ritualism will vanish </p><p> </p><p>so when somebody decide to use Gurujio saroop for taking vows of his marriage then obviously it means that Guru Granth sahib and its teaching has some meaning to him ( while this is not always the case ) so if now I think that this man is totally blind as compared to partilly blind people like me so he cannot even think of his wrong doing even in presence of guruji . Now the removal of saropp is related tio the feeling of the people who really thinks Guru Granth Sahib AS their Guru and obviously feel offended if such a thing is done </p><p> </p><p>Any way This is what I can think and what Akal Purakh has yet made me capable of Bul Chuk MAf</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Jatinder Singh</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="drkhalsa, post: 11440, member: 384"] [b]Re: Respect For Guru Ji - Guru Granth Sahib[/b] Dear Singh ji Thanks taking time to respond to my post Now you have raised really very good point Surprising what you said never crossed my mind when i was writing this Now what do I mean when I say that IN presense of Guruji Sarrop it was not apropiate to drink alcohol when god is omnipresent First of all I never said it was ok to or a good thing to drink alcohol now IF somebody drinks alcohol and ou think that it is not ok would you like to go to his home to show your objection even that when he is enjoying his maariage party God is omnipresent that is what Guru ji teaches i teaches us but the thing is are you really capable enough the feel the presense of Akl purakh in each and evry thing that exist (non dualism ) as I understand that this the destination of the person on the path of sikhi ( as for me still I am not that capable ) Knowing vvery well that guruji teaches us nondualism but I just cant pretend till I reach that state Now when you say ritualism in gurdwara that god is there not outside That could be purely you r way of interpreting thing nothe reality , now you cant say for sure how many people out there in gurdwara showing extra devotion to small menial things in gurdwara are real shardalu who spend all the day in their jobs and home and didn’t put concoiuness toward akal purakh but when they reach gurdwara they might have got opportunity to do so seeing other people (sangat ) and this might appear ritualism to you Now it is different case for somebody spiritually more advanced who already spends all his day in reme,brance of akal purakh and when he come to gurdwara he will behave quite normally as he behave outside gurdwara . But if this fellow thinks that all others there are just ritualistic doing nonsense then offcourse this would be qite ignorant on his part Now question is how sikhi is different from older ritualistict religion As I think religions are just like school of spirituality and sikhi is school in which human can start from scratch and go uptu eternity and any body staring new will apper ritualistic to you biut eventually they will leave it go to higher state while this may not happen in other religion where person can remain ritualistic from start to end Now I tell you about my personal experience I do try to remember akalpurakh all the time ( as much as possible but there are days when become so muddled up in day to day and nonse issue that feel distant from akal purakh and the I only realise when I reach gurdwar and it is the difference that I feel when I reach gurudwra and do guruji darshan and sangats darshan so obviously my behaviour do change while in gurdwara and if you would like to call it ritualism then I am quite happy with it The other option I have is that I just start pretending like oh god is every where ( that what my knowledge says) so what is so special in this place called gurdwara and So miss the only opportunity in a day available to me to improve myself So I think IF With akal purakh kirpa I am also so blessed that I could actually precieve ( not just the abstract knowledge of this fact ) the omnipresense of god every where my ritualism will vanish so when somebody decide to use Gurujio saroop for taking vows of his marriage then obviously it means that Guru Granth sahib and its teaching has some meaning to him ( while this is not always the case ) so if now I think that this man is totally blind as compared to partilly blind people like me so he cannot even think of his wrong doing even in presence of guruji . Now the removal of saropp is related tio the feeling of the people who really thinks Guru Granth Sahib AS their Guru and obviously feel offended if such a thing is done Any way This is what I can think and what Akal Purakh has yet made me capable of Bul Chuk MAf Jatinder Singh [/QUOTE]
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