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<blockquote data-quote="pk70" data-source="post: 100803" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Navy">NOTE Quotes of Mahabir Singh Ji are in black, my answers or questions are in brown fonts</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></span></span> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">There is also a possibility that what you believe in and what other person perceives is quite different & both could be right?</span></span> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #c00000"> Respected Mahabir Singh Ji</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #c00000">Only if Guru Vaak is read as it was penned down to say something instead of superficial assessing the meaning of it, as I gave you an example of Punjabi saying, if “downing” is limited to downing in the water, then whatever is</span> <span style="color: #c00000">perceived becomes questionable</span>, <span style="color: #c00000">so how both can be right? You claim what you say is not said by you but by God, does it mean what Guru Nanak said to be words of God is in correct and only through you God is talking rightfully? In this context, Guru Nanak is crystal clear compared to your questions, let others believe you but I shall rather believe in Guru Nanak.</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">As an example of a glass half full of water, one says it is half full, the other says it is half empty. Both people are looking at the same glass. There is no reason for them to fight or argue.</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #c00000">It is very irrelevant analogy because here we are discussing unfairness done to Guru Nanak</span>.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"> </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Let each person have its opinion. No one is trying to teach any one here. When your heart accepts what is true it is the main thing. I agree healthy discussion forms the basis of clearing one’s doubts, your offer to clear my doubts is much appreciated. Thank you once again.</span></span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #c00000">Respected Mahabir Singh ji, kindly try to understand, I repeated the idea many times, it is not matter of having an opinion while misunderstanding Guru Vaak and question him just because of your failure to understand Guru Ji by not keeping his total concept of God in mind; I have no problem if you (let’s assume) say that you have found God and you don’t believe in Guru Nanak. So be it, there are numerous deras etc, who cares? They have the right to have their opinion, it is not my problem, I feel it is Will of Akalpurakh.</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #c00000">.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #c00000"></span><span style="color: black">I think one can learn from each other only when one keeps an open mind, I cant learn any thing from you If I stick on to my position & put on my defences & do not give respect to other person’s point of view.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #c00000"> Respected Mahabir Singh ji, what kind of open mind you are talking about? To see only through your eyes what Guru Nanak has written or to decipher what he has written in all his bani about God and His ordinance, it was my open mind to listen to your own views of criticism about Guru Nanak and your uncalled for questioning him. (Uncalled-for because what you think is not said by Guru Nanak, it’s totally unfair due to out of context decisions)</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I assure you my mind is open & subject to correction.</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #c00000">We will see</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #c00000"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Now kindly explain to me this : You say that <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-nanak-dev/" target="_blank">Guru Nanak</a> Sahib when he has referred to this gurvaak Nadar Upathi je Kare Sultana Gha Karainda. He is describing the immense power of God. Have I understood this correctly? </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #c00000">Yes</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Whom God is trying to convince we mortals that He is all powerful? Please advise me by which rule of Thumb God decides that to this person I have to give kingdom & from this person I have to snatch kingdom? Can God arbitrarily decide like that because He is so powerful. Does this not instil Fear of God in human hearts instead of love of God? </span></span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #c00000">Respected Mahabir Singh ji, you are talking about open mind, this question proves it is coming out of a total close mind. Why? In Stanza under discussion, Guru Nanak no where says that God is trying to convince mortals about His being powerful or saying He is going to take this kingdom or that. It is sheer your own thinking that revolves around your own decisions about disagreeing with Guru Nanak. Look at the whole stanza, it starts with <u>His caring mind</u>, how could you forget that? Yes you forgot it any way, didn’t you? Why? Mahabir Singh ji you have seen only “upathi” in this Guru Vaak and threw your judgment on Guru Nanak ignoring Guru ji’s saying “HE is caring" in the beginning Vaak, like " He keeps all in His mind”. Unlike you, very carefully Guru ji takes the idea to the next pass. Guru keeps expressing the infinite power of God and His control over His creation (Don’t you say that He is above all? That is right because you are saying, if Guru Nanak says His power is immense, it becomes big deal in context of your own God, Wow Mahabir Singh ji, what a fairness!!!</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #c00000"> Then Guru also says all are under His Ordinance. If this Hukam is not understood, one keep jumping why this why that. So my answer to your question is very simple, all said by Guru ji about Him is not only about His immense power and how His Ordinance is in effect <u>but also God is expressed as a very caring</u> just as you are saying “God is love and unconditionally loves” Where is the fault of Guru Nanak, Mahabir Singh ji?</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #c00000">Fear of God to scare people away from Him? It’s amazing how you think, even if is inspired by God, still doesn’t make any sense if whole concept expressed by Guru Nanak is understood? </span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #c00000">What kind of fear you were indicating when you stated” there is God above all Gurus and other contributors of Sri Guru Granth Sahib”?, Should we get scared of His being so big or try to show some respect to Him? Have you heard about a saying in Punjabi “ Khuda ton dro”( Have fear of God), do you think that means keep trembling in His fear or to show respect to Him who is the biggest?</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #c00000"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #c00000"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Regarding your questions like why genocide occurs? Why two little Shahibzasas were bricked alive ? why that rape in congo etc. Are you saying that is it the work of God as I say God exists in all? Have I understood your question correctly? .</span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #c00000">Yes, please go ahead</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I would say it is not God but by the people who forget God resides in their heart. By the people whose ego buries God as you had said. God always guides with inner voice but if we turn deaf ears to our feelings & follow our egoistic mind then these things & worst than these things happen. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Now the important question is why God looks to all this as a spectator? Cant he correct what is going on <u>why people are cutting people’s heart as they cut their hair?</u></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><u>Can you please guide me ? </u></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><u></u></span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #c00000">Mahabir Singh ji, whenever you try to answer my question due to your narrow concept of God you always give contradictory or ambiguous answer, I can go back and bring those quotes given by you which were questioned by me but you never answered and if answered, they were contradictory. Now let’s look at your answer, first answer has come as I predicted (remember, please see my post!!!!), I hoped to question you with the second question” why so loving and above all God couldn’t do anything about it” but how can I respond? Your answer is totally ambiguous, at least I couldn’t make anything out of it, please help me,I request Mahabir Singh ji to rephrase it along with its context. Forgive me.</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I have some questions that I will ask later for your guidance.</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #c00000">Kindly feel free</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #c00000"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Do you agree with my concept that God is non punishing God, He is non judgemental God & His love is Uncoditional? </span></span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #c00000">Respected Mahabir Singh ji, you are looking at God through very small window unlike Guru Nanak, I understand concept of Guru Nanak’s God and what you say is like drawing a portrait and left it incomplete. My comments can hurt you regardless how I rephrase them, so I will rather not comment on it</span>.</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">It is this concept which puts me into trouble as Holi books say yes God has created Heaven & Hell & when He beats, you don’t find a place to weep</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #c00000"> Now you are out in the open. It is your own created trouble. Let me make you aware of the fact that In Guru Granth Sahib Ji, the concept of Hell is different than other “Holy books”, Guru Shabadas prove that when one suffers due to anxiety he is in hell, there is no concept of Hell as you are hinting at.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">.EQY scy hI sic inbVY cuix viK kFy jjmwilAw]------ieknw hukim smwie sey iekn hukim kry ivxwsu ] ieknw BwxY kiF ley idnw mwieAw ivic invwsu ] <u>eyv BI AwiK n jwpeI ij iksY AwxY rwis]</u></span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><u></u></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><u>Can you kindly help me to understand the ture meaning of these vaaks.[/FONT]</u></span>[/FONT]</p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #c00000">Sorry I cannot read this due to fonts, forgive me. Please give me Page number or type Guru Vaak, I shall look at it as I did before hoping unlike before you will get something out of it</span></span></span>[/FONT]</p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #c00000">.</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #c00000">Regards</span></span></span>[/FONT]</p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #c00000">G Singh</span></span></span>[/FONT]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pk70, post: 100803, member: 5889"] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=Navy] NOTE Quotes of Mahabir Singh Ji are in black, my answers or questions are in brown fonts [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] There is also a possibility that what you believe in and what other person perceives is quite different & both could be right?[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#c00000] Respected Mahabir Singh Ji[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#c00000]Only if Guru Vaak is read as it was penned down to say something instead of superficial assessing the meaning of it, as I gave you an example of Punjabi saying, if “downing” is limited to downing in the water, then whatever is[/COLOR] [COLOR=#c00000]perceived becomes questionable[/COLOR], [COLOR=#c00000]so how both can be right? You claim what you say is not said by you but by God, does it mean what Guru Nanak said to be words of God is in correct and only through you God is talking rightfully? In this context, Guru Nanak is crystal clear compared to your questions, let others believe you but I shall rather believe in Guru Nanak.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] As an example of a glass half full of water, one says it is half full, the other says it is half empty. Both people are looking at the same glass. There is no reason for them to fight or argue.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#c00000]It is very irrelevant analogy because here we are discussing unfairness done to Guru Nanak[/COLOR].[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] Let each person have its opinion. No one is trying to teach any one here. When your heart accepts what is true it is the main thing. I agree healthy discussion forms the basis of clearing one’s doubts, your offer to clear my doubts is much appreciated. Thank you once again.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#c00000]Respected Mahabir Singh ji, kindly try to understand, I repeated the idea many times, it is not matter of having an opinion while misunderstanding Guru Vaak and question him just because of your failure to understand Guru Ji by not keeping his total concept of God in mind; I have no problem if you (let’s assume) say that you have found God and you don’t believe in Guru Nanak. So be it, there are numerous deras etc, who cares? They have the right to have their opinion, it is not my problem, I feel it is Will of Akalpurakh.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#c00000]. [/COLOR][COLOR=black]I think one can learn from each other only when one keeps an open mind, I cant learn any thing from you If I stick on to my position & put on my defences & do not give respect to other person’s point of view.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#c00000] Respected Mahabir Singh ji, what kind of open mind you are talking about? To see only through your eyes what Guru Nanak has written or to decipher what he has written in all his bani about God and His ordinance, it was my open mind to listen to your own views of criticism about Guru Nanak and your uncalled for questioning him. (Uncalled-for because what you think is not said by Guru Nanak, it’s totally unfair due to out of context decisions)[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] I assure you my mind is open & subject to correction.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#c00000]We will see [/COLOR] Now kindly explain to me this : You say that [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-nanak-dev/"]Guru Nanak[/URL] Sahib when he has referred to this gurvaak Nadar Upathi je Kare Sultana Gha Karainda. He is describing the immense power of God. Have I understood this correctly? [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#c00000]Yes[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] Whom God is trying to convince we mortals that He is all powerful? Please advise me by which rule of Thumb God decides that to this person I have to give kingdom & from this person I have to snatch kingdom? Can God arbitrarily decide like that because He is so powerful. Does this not instil Fear of God in human hearts instead of love of God? [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#c00000]Respected Mahabir Singh ji, you are talking about open mind, this question proves it is coming out of a total close mind. Why? In Stanza under discussion, Guru Nanak no where says that God is trying to convince mortals about His being powerful or saying He is going to take this kingdom or that. It is sheer your own thinking that revolves around your own decisions about disagreeing with Guru Nanak. Look at the whole stanza, it starts with [U]His caring mind[/U], how could you forget that? Yes you forgot it any way, didn’t you? Why? Mahabir Singh ji you have seen only “upathi” in this Guru Vaak and threw your judgment on Guru Nanak ignoring Guru ji’s saying “HE is caring" in the beginning Vaak, like " He keeps all in His mind”. Unlike you, very carefully Guru ji takes the idea to the next pass. Guru keeps expressing the infinite power of God and His control over His creation (Don’t you say that He is above all? That is right because you are saying, if Guru Nanak says His power is immense, it becomes big deal in context of your own God, Wow Mahabir Singh ji, what a fairness!!![/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#c00000] Then Guru also says all are under His Ordinance. If this Hukam is not understood, one keep jumping why this why that. So my answer to your question is very simple, all said by Guru ji about Him is not only about His immense power and how His Ordinance is in effect [U]but also God is expressed as a very caring[/U] just as you are saying “God is love and unconditionally loves” Where is the fault of Guru Nanak, Mahabir Singh ji? Fear of God to scare people away from Him? It’s amazing how you think, even if is inspired by God, still doesn’t make any sense if whole concept expressed by Guru Nanak is understood? [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#c00000]What kind of fear you were indicating when you stated” there is God above all Gurus and other contributors of Sri Guru Granth Sahib”?, Should we get scared of His being so big or try to show some respect to Him? Have you heard about a saying in Punjabi “ Khuda ton dro”( Have fear of God), do you think that means keep trembling in His fear or to show respect to Him who is the biggest? [/COLOR] Regarding your questions like why genocide occurs? Why two little Shahibzasas were bricked alive ? why that rape in congo etc. Are you saying that is it the work of God as I say God exists in all? Have I understood your question correctly? .[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#c00000]Yes, please go ahead[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]I would say it is not God but by the people who forget God resides in their heart. By the people whose ego buries God as you had said. God always guides with inner voice but if we turn deaf ears to our feelings & follow our egoistic mind then these things & worst than these things happen. Now the important question is why God looks to all this as a spectator? Cant he correct what is going on [U]why people are cutting people’s heart as they cut their hair? Can you please guide me ? [/U][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#c00000]Mahabir Singh ji, whenever you try to answer my question due to your narrow concept of God you always give contradictory or ambiguous answer, I can go back and bring those quotes given by you which were questioned by me but you never answered and if answered, they were contradictory. Now let’s look at your answer, first answer has come as I predicted (remember, please see my post!!!!), I hoped to question you with the second question” why so loving and above all God couldn’t do anything about it” but how can I respond? Your answer is totally ambiguous, at least I couldn’t make anything out of it, please help me,I request Mahabir Singh ji to rephrase it along with its context. Forgive me.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] I have some questions that I will ask later for your guidance.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#c00000]Kindly feel free [/COLOR] Do you agree with my concept that God is non punishing God, He is non judgemental God & His love is Uncoditional? [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#c00000]Respected Mahabir Singh ji, you are looking at God through very small window unlike Guru Nanak, I understand concept of Guru Nanak’s God and what you say is like drawing a portrait and left it incomplete. My comments can hurt you regardless how I rephrase them, so I will rather not comment on it[/COLOR].[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]It is this concept which puts me into trouble as Holi books say yes God has created Heaven & Hell & when He beats, you don’t find a place to weep[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#c00000] Now you are out in the open. It is your own created trouble. Let me make you aware of the fact that In Guru Granth Sahib Ji, the concept of Hell is different than other “Holy books”, Guru Shabadas prove that when one suffers due to anxiety he is in hell, there is no concept of Hell as you are hinting at.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] .EQY scy hI sic inbVY cuix viK kFy jjmwilAw]------ieknw hukim smwie sey iekn hukim kry ivxwsu ] ieknw BwxY kiF ley idnw mwieAw ivic invwsu ] [U]eyv BI AwiK n jwpeI ij iksY AwxY rwis][/U][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][U] Can you kindly help me to understand the ture meaning of these vaaks.[/FONT][/U][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#c00000]Sorry I cannot read this due to fonts, forgive me. Please give me Page number or type Guru Vaak, I shall look at it as I did before hoping unlike before you will get something out of it[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][COLOR=#c00000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#c00000]. Regards[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][COLOR=#c00000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#c00000]G Singh[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][COLOR=#c00000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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