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<blockquote data-quote="BhagatSingh" data-source="post: 157148" data-attributes="member: 2610"><p>Tejwant Singh ji,</p><p>I have answered all your questions in my previous posts. So anything I do not address here has already been addressed. I have nothing more to add but I can clarify my position where needed. If you have any other questions, please provide your own understanding first so I know where you are coming from.</p><p></p><p>Tejwant Singh ji if you found a mystery after which it no longer remained a mystery then you did not find mystery. After all if it ceases to be what it was then was it ever a mystery? One can know the mystery and even be fooled into thinking one has intellectually solved it but it can never be intellectually solved, only stated in a different language. Useful and powerful scientific models and other worldly models can be built around it but can never intellectually solve it. A Sikh is to seek and be alert to such a mystery that was a mystery, is a mystery and will continue to be a mystery.</p><p></p><p>I have contemplated those two shabads and I understand them in the words that they are written in. I would use practically the same words. Let me know which parts I should comment on. I have already commented on the parts that are relevant to this thread. See my previous replies.</p><p></p><p>रागु गउड़ी पूरबी बावन अखरी कबीर जीउ की</p><p>Rāg ga▫oṛī pūrbī bāvan akẖrī Kabīr jī▫o kī</p><p>Raag Gauree Poorbee, Baawan Akhree Of Kabeer Jee:</p><p>ੴ ਸਤਿਨਾਮੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਗੁਰਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥</p><p>ੴ सतिनामु करता पुरखु गुरप्रसादि ॥</p><p>Ik▫oaʼnkār saṯnām karṯā purakẖ gurparsāḏ.</p><p>One Universal Creator God. Truth Is The Name. Creative Being Personified. By Guru's Grace:</p><p><strong>ਬਾਵਨ ਅਛਰ ਲੋਕ ਤ੍ਰੈ ਸਭੁ ਕਛੁ ਇਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥</strong></p><p><strong>बावन अछर लोक त्रै सभु कछु इन ही माहि ॥</strong></p><p><strong>Bāvan acẖẖar lok ṯarai sabẖ kacẖẖ in hī māhi.</strong></p><p><strong>Through these fifty-two letters, the three worlds and all things are described.</strong></p><p><strong>ਏ ਅਖਰ ਖਿਰਿ ਜਾਹਿਗੇ ਓਇ ਅਖਰ ਇਨ ਮਹਿ ਨਾਹਿ ॥੧॥</strong></p><p><strong>ए अखर खिरि जाहिगे ओइ अखर इन महि नाहि ॥१॥</strong></p><p><strong>Ė akẖar kẖir jāhige o▫e akẖar in mėh nāhi. ||1||</strong></p><p><strong>These letters shall perish; they cannot describe the Imperishable Lord. ||1||</strong></p><p>ਜਹਾ ਬੋਲ ਤਹ ਅਛਰ ਆਵਾ ॥</p><p>जहा बोल तह अछर आवा ॥</p><p>Jahā bol ṯah acẖẖar āvā.</p><p>Wherever there is speech, there are letters.</p><p>ਜਹ ਅਬੋਲ ਤਹ ਮਨੁ ਨ ਰਹਾਵਾ ॥</p><p>जह अबोल तह मनु न रहावा ॥</p><p>Jah abol ṯah man na rahāvā.</p><p>Where there is no speech, there, the mind rests on nothing.</p><p><strong>ਬੋਲ ਅਬੋਲ ਮਧਿ ਹੈ ਸੋਈ ॥</strong></p><p><strong>बोल अबोल मधि है सोई ॥</strong></p><p><strong>Bol abol maḏẖ hai so▫ī.</strong></p><p><strong>He is in both speech and silence.</strong></p><p><strong>ਜਸ ਓਹੁ ਹੈ ਤਸ ਲਖੈ ਨ ਕੋਈ ॥੨॥</strong></p><p><strong>जस ओहु है तस लखै न कोई ॥२॥</strong></p><p><strong>Jas oh hai ṯas lakẖai na ko▫ī. ||2||</strong></p><p><strong>No one can know Him as He is. ||2||</strong></p><p>ਅਲਹ ਲਹਉ ਤਉ ਕਿਆ ਕਹਉ ਕਹਉ ਤ ਕੋ ਉਪਕਾਰ ॥</p><p>अलह लहउ तउ किआ कहउ कहउ त को उपकार ॥</p><p>Alah laha▫o ṯa▫o ki▫ā kaha▫o kaha▫o ṯa ko upkār.</p><p>If I come to know the Lord, what can I say; what good does it do to speak?</p><p>ਬਟਕ ਬੀਜ ਮਹਿ ਰਵਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਜਾ ਕੋ ਤੀਨਿ ਲੋਕ ਬਿਸਥਾਰ ॥੩॥</p><p>बटक बीज महि रवि रहिओ जा को तीनि लोक बिसथार ॥३॥</p><p>Batak bīj mėh rav rahi▫o jā ko ṯīn lok bisthār. ||3||</p><p>He is contained in the seed of the banyan-tree, and yet, His expanse spreads across the three worlds. ||3||</p><p><strong>ਅਲਹ ਲਹੰਤਾ ਭੇਦ ਛੈ ਕਛੁ ਕਛੁ<u> ਪਾਇਓ</u> ਭੇਦ ॥</strong></p><p><strong>अलह लहंता भेद छै कछु कछु पाइओ भेद ॥</strong></p><p><strong>Alah lahanṯā bẖeḏ cẖẖai kacẖẖ kacẖẖ pā▫i▫o bẖeḏ.</strong></p><p><strong>One who knows the Lord understands His mystery, and bit by bit, the mystery is <u>known</u>.</strong></p><p><strong>ਉਲਟਿ ਭੇਦ ਮਨੁ ਬੇਧਿਓ ਪਾਇਓ ਅਭੰਗ ਅਛੇਦ ॥੪॥</strong></p><p><strong>उलटि भेद मनु बेधिओ पाइओ अभंग अछेद ॥४॥</strong></p><p><strong>Ulat bẖeḏ man beḏẖi▫o pā▫i▫o abẖang acẖẖeḏ. ||4||</strong></p><p><strong>Turning away from the world, one's mind is pierced through with this mystery, and one obtains the Indestructible, Impenetrable Lord. ||4||</strong></p><p>ਤੁਰਕ ਤਰੀਕਤਿ ਜਾਨੀਐ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ॥</p><p>तुरक तरीकति जानीऐ हिंदू बेद पुरान ॥</p><p>Ŧurak ṯarīkaṯ jānī▫ai hinḏū beḏ purān.</p><p>The Muslim knows the Muslim way of life; the Hindu knows the Vedas and Puraanas.</p><p>ਮਨ ਸਮਝਾਵਨ ਕਾਰਨੇ ਕਛੂਅਕ ਪੜੀਐ ਗਿਆਨ ॥੫॥</p><p>मन समझावन कारने कछूअक पड़ीऐ गिआन ॥५॥</p><p>Man samjẖāvan kārne kacẖẖū▫ak paṛī▫ai gi▫ān. ||5||</p><p>To instruct their minds, people ought to study some sort of spiritual wisdom. ||5||</p><p>ਓਅੰਕਾਰ ਆਦਿ ਮੈ ਜਾਨਾ ॥</p><p>ओअंकार आदि मै जाना ॥</p><p>O▫ankār āḏ mai jānā.</p><p>I know only the One, the Universal Creator, the Primal Being.</p><p>ਲਿਖਿ ਅਰੁ ਮੇਟੈ ਤਾਹਿ ਨ ਮਾਨਾ ॥</p><p>लिखि अरु मेटै ताहि न माना ॥</p><p>Likẖ ar metai ṯāhi na mānā.</p><p>I do not believe in anyone whom the Lord writes and erases.</p><p>ਓਅੰਕਾਰ ਲਖੈ ਜਉ ਕੋਈ ॥</p><p>ओअंकार लखै जउ कोई ॥</p><p>O▫ankār lakẖai ja▫o ko▫ī.</p><p>If someone knows the One, the Universal Creator,</p><p>ਸੋਈ ਲਖਿ ਮੇਟਣਾ ਨ ਹੋਈ ॥੬॥</p><p>सोई लखि मेटणा न होई ॥६॥</p><p>So▫ī lakẖ metṇā na ho▫ī. ||6||</p><p>he shall not perish, since he knows Him. ||6||</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BhagatSingh, post: 157148, member: 2610"] Tejwant Singh ji, I have answered all your questions in my previous posts. So anything I do not address here has already been addressed. I have nothing more to add but I can clarify my position where needed. If you have any other questions, please provide your own understanding first so I know where you are coming from. Tejwant Singh ji if you found a mystery after which it no longer remained a mystery then you did not find mystery. After all if it ceases to be what it was then was it ever a mystery? One can know the mystery and even be fooled into thinking one has intellectually solved it but it can never be intellectually solved, only stated in a different language. Useful and powerful scientific models and other worldly models can be built around it but can never intellectually solve it. A Sikh is to seek and be alert to such a mystery that was a mystery, is a mystery and will continue to be a mystery. I have contemplated those two shabads and I understand them in the words that they are written in. I would use practically the same words. Let me know which parts I should comment on. I have already commented on the parts that are relevant to this thread. See my previous replies. रागु गउड़ी पूरबी बावन अखरी कबीर जीउ की Rāg ga▫oṛī pūrbī bāvan akẖrī Kabīr jī▫o kī Raag Gauree Poorbee, Baawan Akhree Of Kabeer Jee: ੴ ਸਤਿਨਾਮੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਗੁਰਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥ ੴ सतिनामु करता पुरखु गुरप्रसादि ॥ Ik▫oaʼnkār saṯnām karṯā purakẖ gurparsāḏ. One Universal Creator God. Truth Is The Name. Creative Being Personified. By Guru's Grace: [B]ਬਾਵਨ ਅਛਰ ਲੋਕ ਤ੍ਰੈ ਸਭੁ ਕਛੁ ਇਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥ बावन अछर लोक त्रै सभु कछु इन ही माहि ॥ Bāvan acẖẖar lok ṯarai sabẖ kacẖẖ in hī māhi. Through these fifty-two letters, the three worlds and all things are described. ਏ ਅਖਰ ਖਿਰਿ ਜਾਹਿਗੇ ਓਇ ਅਖਰ ਇਨ ਮਹਿ ਨਾਹਿ ॥੧॥ ए अखर खिरि जाहिगे ओइ अखर इन महि नाहि ॥१॥ Ė akẖar kẖir jāhige o▫e akẖar in mėh nāhi. ||1|| These letters shall perish; they cannot describe the Imperishable Lord. ||1||[/B] ਜਹਾ ਬੋਲ ਤਹ ਅਛਰ ਆਵਾ ॥ जहा बोल तह अछर आवा ॥ Jahā bol ṯah acẖẖar āvā. Wherever there is speech, there are letters. ਜਹ ਅਬੋਲ ਤਹ ਮਨੁ ਨ ਰਹਾਵਾ ॥ जह अबोल तह मनु न रहावा ॥ Jah abol ṯah man na rahāvā. Where there is no speech, there, the mind rests on nothing. [B]ਬੋਲ ਅਬੋਲ ਮਧਿ ਹੈ ਸੋਈ ॥ बोल अबोल मधि है सोई ॥ Bol abol maḏẖ hai so▫ī. He is in both speech and silence. ਜਸ ਓਹੁ ਹੈ ਤਸ ਲਖੈ ਨ ਕੋਈ ॥੨॥ जस ओहु है तस लखै न कोई ॥२॥ Jas oh hai ṯas lakẖai na ko▫ī. ||2|| No one can know Him as He is. ||2||[/B] ਅਲਹ ਲਹਉ ਤਉ ਕਿਆ ਕਹਉ ਕਹਉ ਤ ਕੋ ਉਪਕਾਰ ॥ अलह लहउ तउ किआ कहउ कहउ त को उपकार ॥ Alah laha▫o ṯa▫o ki▫ā kaha▫o kaha▫o ṯa ko upkār. If I come to know the Lord, what can I say; what good does it do to speak? ਬਟਕ ਬੀਜ ਮਹਿ ਰਵਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਜਾ ਕੋ ਤੀਨਿ ਲੋਕ ਬਿਸਥਾਰ ॥੩॥ बटक बीज महि रवि रहिओ जा को तीनि लोक बिसथार ॥३॥ Batak bīj mėh rav rahi▫o jā ko ṯīn lok bisthār. ||3|| He is contained in the seed of the banyan-tree, and yet, His expanse spreads across the three worlds. ||3|| [B]ਅਲਹ ਲਹੰਤਾ ਭੇਦ ਛੈ ਕਛੁ ਕਛੁ[U] ਪਾਇਓ[/U] ਭੇਦ ॥ अलह लहंता भेद छै कछु कछु पाइओ भेद ॥ Alah lahanṯā bẖeḏ cẖẖai kacẖẖ kacẖẖ pā▫i▫o bẖeḏ. One who knows the Lord understands His mystery, and bit by bit, the mystery is [U]known[/U]. ਉਲਟਿ ਭੇਦ ਮਨੁ ਬੇਧਿਓ ਪਾਇਓ ਅਭੰਗ ਅਛੇਦ ॥੪॥ उलटि भेद मनु बेधिओ पाइओ अभंग अछेद ॥४॥ Ulat bẖeḏ man beḏẖi▫o pā▫i▫o abẖang acẖẖeḏ. ||4|| Turning away from the world, one's mind is pierced through with this mystery, and one obtains the Indestructible, Impenetrable Lord. ||4||[/B] ਤੁਰਕ ਤਰੀਕਤਿ ਜਾਨੀਐ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ॥ तुरक तरीकति जानीऐ हिंदू बेद पुरान ॥ Ŧurak ṯarīkaṯ jānī▫ai hinḏū beḏ purān. The Muslim knows the Muslim way of life; the Hindu knows the Vedas and Puraanas. ਮਨ ਸਮਝਾਵਨ ਕਾਰਨੇ ਕਛੂਅਕ ਪੜੀਐ ਗਿਆਨ ॥੫॥ मन समझावन कारने कछूअक पड़ीऐ गिआन ॥५॥ Man samjẖāvan kārne kacẖẖū▫ak paṛī▫ai gi▫ān. ||5|| To instruct their minds, people ought to study some sort of spiritual wisdom. ||5|| ਓਅੰਕਾਰ ਆਦਿ ਮੈ ਜਾਨਾ ॥ ओअंकार आदि मै जाना ॥ O▫ankār āḏ mai jānā. I know only the One, the Universal Creator, the Primal Being. ਲਿਖਿ ਅਰੁ ਮੇਟੈ ਤਾਹਿ ਨ ਮਾਨਾ ॥ लिखि अरु मेटै ताहि न माना ॥ Likẖ ar metai ṯāhi na mānā. I do not believe in anyone whom the Lord writes and erases. ਓਅੰਕਾਰ ਲਖੈ ਜਉ ਕੋਈ ॥ ओअंकार लखै जउ कोई ॥ O▫ankār lakẖai ja▫o ko▫ī. If someone knows the One, the Universal Creator, ਸੋਈ ਲਖਿ ਮੇਟਣਾ ਨ ਹੋਈ ॥੬॥ सोई लखि मेटणा न होई ॥६॥ So▫ī lakẖ metṇā na ho▫ī. ||6|| he shall not perish, since he knows Him. ||6|| [/QUOTE]
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