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Does Sikhism Embrace Mysticism?
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<blockquote data-quote="BhagatSingh" data-source="post: 157018" data-attributes="member: 2610"><p><strong>Re: Does Sikhism embrace Mysticism</strong></p><p></p><p>SP ji,</p><p></p><p>Exactly <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> Thank you for this SP ji, he is brilliant.</p><p></p><p>Navdeep ji that's the idea. </p><p></p><p>I don't think many people understand what mysticism is. It becomes a label for what they dislike not for what it actually is. The entire Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is written by mystics, so I think there is no question of whether Sikhism embraces mysticism. The entire Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is describing a way to reach liberation by merging with God.</p><p></p><p>Harry ji,</p><p></p><p>= mysticism.</p><p>If someone were to say that is supernatural. Would it change that? Would is change the actual thing? Would it make that more mystical than it already is?</p><p></p><p>Everything is perception Harry ji. There is nothing outside of perception. The growing of this perception to extremely powerful, ecstatic and vivid states is referred to as a mystical experience. This is when you feel you are the perception and the perception is you. This is called "merging with God" in Eastern philosophy.</p><p></p><p>"chanting, praying, concentrating" sounds like "cold hard mental tuning to the Creators frequency". Cold hard is repeating one word over and over again for several hours, and having your complete attention on that one word for the entire time. Try it and see how difficult it is.</p><p></p><p>Harry ji, the mystic experiences states that are so much more vast and vivid than anything that can be created. I don't think Hesse understands this. My guess is that he was not a mystic. To say a mystic is second best to the artist because he cannot recreate his state for you, would be grossly unjust. It is like asking a human to wave his arms up and down and labelling him second best to a bird if he cannot fly.</p><p></p><p>ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥</p><p>आसा महला १ ॥</p><p>Āsā mėhlā 1.</p><p>Aasaa, First Mehl:</p><p></p><p>ਆਖਾ ਜੀਵਾ ਵਿਸਰੈ ਮਰਿ ਜਾਉ ॥</p><p>आखा जीवा विसरै मरि जाउ ॥</p><p>Ākẖā jīvā visrai mar jā▫o.</p><p>Chanting it, I live; forgetting it, I die.</p><p></p><p><strong>ਆਖਣਿ ਅਉਖਾ ਸਾਚਾ ਨਾਉ ॥</strong></p><p><strong>आखणि अउखा साचा नाउ ॥</strong></p><p><strong>Ākẖaṇ a▫ukẖā sācẖā nā▫o.</strong></p><p><strong>It is so difficult to chant the True Name.</strong></p><p></p><p>ਸਾਚੇ ਨਾਮ ਕੀ ਲਾਗੈ ਭੂਖ ॥</p><p>साचे नाम की लागै भूख ॥</p><p>Sācẖe nām kī lāgai bẖūkẖ.</p><p>If someone feels hunger for the True Name,</p><p></p><p>ਉਤੁ ਭੂਖੈ ਖਾਇ ਚਲੀਅਹਿ ਦੂਖ ॥੧॥</p><p>उतु भूखै खाइ चलीअहि दूख ॥१॥</p><p>Uṯ bẖūkẖai kẖā▫e cẖalī▫ahi ḏūkẖ. ||1||</p><p>that hunger shall consume his pain. ||1||</p><p></p><p>ਸੋ ਕਿਉ ਵਿਸਰੈ ਮੇਰੀ ਮਾਇ ॥</p><p>सो किउ विसरै मेरी माइ ॥</p><p>So ki▫o visrai merī mā▫e.</p><p>How can I forget Him, O my mother?</p><p></p><p>ਸਾਚਾ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਸਾਚੈ ਨਾਇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥</p><p>साचा साहिबु साचै नाइ ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥</p><p>Sācẖā sāhib sācẖai nā▫e. ||1|| rahā▫o.</p><p>True is the Master, True is His Name. ||1||Pause||</p><p></p><p><strong>ਸਾਚੇ ਨਾਮ ਕੀ ਤਿਲੁ ਵਡਿਆਈ ॥</strong></p><p><strong>साचे नाम की तिलु वडिआई ॥</strong></p><p><strong>Sācẖe nām kī ṯil vadi▫ā▫ī.</strong></p><p><strong>Trying to describe even an iota of the Greatness of the True Name,</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>ਆਖਿ ਥਕੇ ਕੀਮਤਿ ਨਹੀ ਪਾਈ ॥</strong></p><p><strong>आखि थके कीमति नही पाई ॥</strong></p><p><strong>Ākẖ thake kīmaṯ nahī pā▫ī.</strong></p><p><strong>people have grown weary, but they have not been able to evaluate it.</strong></p><p></p><p>ਜੇ ਸਭਿ ਮਿਲਿ ਕੈ ਆਖਣ ਪਾਹਿ ॥</p><p>जे सभि मिलि कै आखण पाहि ॥</p><p>Je sabẖ mil kai ākẖaṇ pāhi.</p><p>Even if everyone were to gather together and speak of Him,</p><p></p><p>ਵਡਾ ਨ ਹੋਵੈ ਘਾਟਿ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥੨॥</p><p>वडा न होवै घाटि न जाइ ॥२॥</p><p>vadā na hovai gẖāt na jā▫e. ||2||</p><p>He would not become any greater or any lesser. ||2||</p><p></p><p>ਨਾ ਓਹੁ ਮਰੈ ਨ ਹੋਵੈ ਸੋਗੁ ॥</p><p>ना ओहु मरै न होवै सोगु ॥</p><p>Nā oh marai na hovai sog.</p><p>That Lord does not die; there is no reason to mourn.</p><p></p><p>ਦੇਦਾ ਰਹੈ ਨ ਚੂਕੈ ਭੋਗੁ ॥</p><p>देदा रहै न चूकै भोगु ॥</p><p>Ḏeḏā rahai na cẖūkai bẖog.</p><p>He continues to give, and His Provisions never run short.</p><p></p><p>ਗੁਣੁ ਏਹੋ ਹੋਰੁ ਨਾਹੀ ਕੋਇ ॥</p><p>गुणु एहो होरु नाही कोइ ॥</p><p>Guṇ eho hor nāhī ko▫e.</p><p>This Virtue is His alone; there is no other like Him.</p><p></p><p>ਨਾ ਕੋ ਹੋਆ ਨਾ ਕੋ ਹੋਇ ॥੩॥</p><p>ना को होआ ना को होइ ॥३॥</p><p>Nā ko ho▫ā nā ko ho▫e. ||3||</p><p>There never has been, and there never will be. ||3||</p><p></p><p>ਜੇਵਡੁ ਆਪਿ ਤੇਵਡ ਤੇਰੀ ਦਾਤਿ ॥</p><p>जेवडु आपि तेवड तेरी दाति ॥</p><p>Jevad āp ṯevad ṯerī ḏāṯ.</p><p>As Great as You Yourself are, O Lord, so Great are Your Gifts.</p><p></p><p>ਜਿਨਿ ਦਿਨੁ ਕਰਿ ਕੈ ਕੀਤੀ ਰਾਤਿ ॥</p><p>जिनि दिनु करि कै कीती राति ॥</p><p>Jin ḏin kar kai kīṯī rāṯ.</p><p>The One who created the day also created the night.</p><p></p><p>ਖਸਮੁ ਵਿਸਾਰਹਿ ਤੇ ਕਮਜਾਤਿ ॥</p><p>खसमु विसारहि ते कमजाति ॥</p><p>Kẖasam visārėh ṯe kamjāṯ.</p><p>Those who forget their Lord and Master are vile and despicable.</p><p></p><p>ਨਾਨਕ ਨਾਵੈ ਬਾਝੁ ਸਨਾਤਿ ॥੪॥੩॥</p><p>नानक नावै बाझु सनाति ॥४॥३॥</p><p>Nānak nāvai bājẖ sanāṯ. ||4||3||</p><p>O Guru Nanak, without the Name, they are wretched outcasts. ||4||3||</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BhagatSingh, post: 157018, member: 2610"] [b]Re: Does Sikhism embrace Mysticism[/b] SP ji, Exactly :) Thank you for this SP ji, he is brilliant. Navdeep ji that's the idea. I don't think many people understand what mysticism is. It becomes a label for what they dislike not for what it actually is. The entire Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is written by mystics, so I think there is no question of whether Sikhism embraces mysticism. The entire Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is describing a way to reach liberation by merging with God. Harry ji, = mysticism. If someone were to say that is supernatural. Would it change that? Would is change the actual thing? Would it make that more mystical than it already is? Everything is perception Harry ji. There is nothing outside of perception. The growing of this perception to extremely powerful, ecstatic and vivid states is referred to as a mystical experience. This is when you feel you are the perception and the perception is you. This is called "merging with God" in Eastern philosophy. "chanting, praying, concentrating" sounds like "cold hard mental tuning to the Creators frequency". Cold hard is repeating one word over and over again for several hours, and having your complete attention on that one word for the entire time. Try it and see how difficult it is. Harry ji, the mystic experiences states that are so much more vast and vivid than anything that can be created. I don't think Hesse understands this. My guess is that he was not a mystic. To say a mystic is second best to the artist because he cannot recreate his state for you, would be grossly unjust. It is like asking a human to wave his arms up and down and labelling him second best to a bird if he cannot fly. ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥ आसा महला १ ॥ Āsā mėhlā 1. Aasaa, First Mehl: ਆਖਾ ਜੀਵਾ ਵਿਸਰੈ ਮਰਿ ਜਾਉ ॥ आखा जीवा विसरै मरि जाउ ॥ Ākẖā jīvā visrai mar jā▫o. Chanting it, I live; forgetting it, I die. [B]ਆਖਣਿ ਅਉਖਾ ਸਾਚਾ ਨਾਉ ॥ आखणि अउखा साचा नाउ ॥ Ākẖaṇ a▫ukẖā sācẖā nā▫o. It is so difficult to chant the True Name.[/B] ਸਾਚੇ ਨਾਮ ਕੀ ਲਾਗੈ ਭੂਖ ॥ साचे नाम की लागै भूख ॥ Sācẖe nām kī lāgai bẖūkẖ. If someone feels hunger for the True Name, ਉਤੁ ਭੂਖੈ ਖਾਇ ਚਲੀਅਹਿ ਦੂਖ ॥੧॥ उतु भूखै खाइ चलीअहि दूख ॥१॥ Uṯ bẖūkẖai kẖā▫e cẖalī▫ahi ḏūkẖ. ||1|| that hunger shall consume his pain. ||1|| ਸੋ ਕਿਉ ਵਿਸਰੈ ਮੇਰੀ ਮਾਇ ॥ सो किउ विसरै मेरी माइ ॥ So ki▫o visrai merī mā▫e. How can I forget Him, O my mother? ਸਾਚਾ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਸਾਚੈ ਨਾਇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ साचा साहिबु साचै नाइ ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥ Sācẖā sāhib sācẖai nā▫e. ||1|| rahā▫o. True is the Master, True is His Name. ||1||Pause|| [B]ਸਾਚੇ ਨਾਮ ਕੀ ਤਿਲੁ ਵਡਿਆਈ ॥ साचे नाम की तिलु वडिआई ॥ Sācẖe nām kī ṯil vadi▫ā▫ī. Trying to describe even an iota of the Greatness of the True Name, ਆਖਿ ਥਕੇ ਕੀਮਤਿ ਨਹੀ ਪਾਈ ॥ आखि थके कीमति नही पाई ॥ Ākẖ thake kīmaṯ nahī pā▫ī. people have grown weary, but they have not been able to evaluate it.[/B] ਜੇ ਸਭਿ ਮਿਲਿ ਕੈ ਆਖਣ ਪਾਹਿ ॥ जे सभि मिलि कै आखण पाहि ॥ Je sabẖ mil kai ākẖaṇ pāhi. Even if everyone were to gather together and speak of Him, ਵਡਾ ਨ ਹੋਵੈ ਘਾਟਿ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥੨॥ वडा न होवै घाटि न जाइ ॥२॥ vadā na hovai gẖāt na jā▫e. ||2|| He would not become any greater or any lesser. ||2|| ਨਾ ਓਹੁ ਮਰੈ ਨ ਹੋਵੈ ਸੋਗੁ ॥ ना ओहु मरै न होवै सोगु ॥ Nā oh marai na hovai sog. That Lord does not die; there is no reason to mourn. ਦੇਦਾ ਰਹੈ ਨ ਚੂਕੈ ਭੋਗੁ ॥ देदा रहै न चूकै भोगु ॥ Ḏeḏā rahai na cẖūkai bẖog. He continues to give, and His Provisions never run short. ਗੁਣੁ ਏਹੋ ਹੋਰੁ ਨਾਹੀ ਕੋਇ ॥ गुणु एहो होरु नाही कोइ ॥ Guṇ eho hor nāhī ko▫e. This Virtue is His alone; there is no other like Him. ਨਾ ਕੋ ਹੋਆ ਨਾ ਕੋ ਹੋਇ ॥੩॥ ना को होआ ना को होइ ॥३॥ Nā ko ho▫ā nā ko ho▫e. ||3|| There never has been, and there never will be. ||3|| ਜੇਵਡੁ ਆਪਿ ਤੇਵਡ ਤੇਰੀ ਦਾਤਿ ॥ जेवडु आपि तेवड तेरी दाति ॥ Jevad āp ṯevad ṯerī ḏāṯ. As Great as You Yourself are, O Lord, so Great are Your Gifts. ਜਿਨਿ ਦਿਨੁ ਕਰਿ ਕੈ ਕੀਤੀ ਰਾਤਿ ॥ जिनि दिनु करि कै कीती राति ॥ Jin ḏin kar kai kīṯī rāṯ. The One who created the day also created the night. ਖਸਮੁ ਵਿਸਾਰਹਿ ਤੇ ਕਮਜਾਤਿ ॥ खसमु विसारहि ते कमजाति ॥ Kẖasam visārėh ṯe kamjāṯ. Those who forget their Lord and Master are vile and despicable. ਨਾਨਕ ਨਾਵੈ ਬਾਝੁ ਸਨਾਤਿ ॥੪॥੩॥ नानक नावै बाझु सनाति ॥४॥३॥ Nānak nāvai bājẖ sanāṯ. ||4||3|| O Guru Nanak, without the Name, they are wretched outcasts. ||4||3|| [/QUOTE]
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