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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
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ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
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Ghoriaan (575-578)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
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Vaar Sorath (642-659)
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Gurbani (660-685)
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Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
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Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
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Gurbani (795-831)
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Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
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Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
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Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
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Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
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ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
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Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="P J Singh" data-source="post: 224506" data-attributes="member: 25524"><p>Thank you for your kind response. Your knowledge and philosophical interpretation of Gurmat are both intriguing and impressive. However, I find the above response somewhat convoluted and conflated. It will be beneficial for all those who are curious to learn and understand Gurmat if those who are well informed and knowledgeable about Gurbani share their wisdom in a bit simpler and intelligible language.</p><p></p><p>You state and I quote: “So purpose of life is illumination ie getting aware of education of our own spirit of life, before it merges in initiation”.</p><p></p><p>Here you have used the word “our own spirit”. Can you please help me understand who is this “Our” you are referring to. For example, if you are referring to a person who is standing in front of you then are you advising the physical form that is in front of you or something inside of him. What is this "entity" you are referring to and how does it come into being? It is like when someone says "you" should do sewa- who is this "you" that is being referred to. I hope you understand the direction I am going. If it is not clear, I would be happy to expand on it, please let me know.</p><p></p><p>You also state and I quote: “This is outer darkness, so if there is lack of inner awareness,”. Could you please help me understand what do you mean by “awareness” and how does it evolve and come into play?</p><p></p><p>It is unfortunate we see the proliferations of Deras and Babas in Punjab and many innocent Sikhs get drawn to them. Why? Because they ( Deras and Babas) use simple language to communicate Gurmat. Whether their Gurbani interpretations are correct or not is another matter, but they are very successful in connecting with Sikh masses. Perhaps there is a lesson for us all.</p><p></p><p>From philosophical threshold, let us please come down to the ground and focus on Gurbani in some simple manner. In Gurmat there are four key concepts, to start with, that we should help each other understand:</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Ek/ Akalpurkh/Saat.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Sabad</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Naam</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Hukum</li> </ul><p>Then there are references to Jyoti and Jot.</p><p></p><p>Ek is the Jyoti ( the Source of all); Jot emanates from Jyoti.</p><p></p><p>God does not do anything Himself; everything is done through Hukum and Naam -- Naam being the functional potency of God through which it creates and manages the creation.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B" target="_blank"><em>ਜੋ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%90" target="_blank"><em>ਕਹੀਐ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%8B" target="_blank"><em>ਸੋ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AD" target="_blank"><em>ਪ੍ਰਭ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><em>ਤੇ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%88" target="_blank"><em>ਹੋਈ </em></a>॥</p><p>Whatever is said to be, is from You, O God.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><em>ਉਤਪਤਿ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%89" target="_blank"><em>ਪਰਲਉ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><em>ਅਵਰੁ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank"><em>ਨ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%88" target="_blank"><em>ਕੋਈ </em></a>॥੧॥</p><p>Creation and destruction do not come from anyone else. ||1|| (AGGS 905)</p><p></p><p><strong>______________</strong></p><p></p><table style='width: 100%'><tr><td><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE" target="_blank"><br /> <em>ਨਾਮ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><em>ਕੇ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><em>ਧਾਰੇ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><em>ਸਗਲੇ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A4" target="_blank"><em>ਜੰਤ </em></a>॥.</td></tr><tr><td><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE" target="_blank"><em>ਨਾਮ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><em>ਕੇ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><em>ਧਾਰੇ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A1" target="_blank"><em>ਖੰਡ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A1" target="_blank"><em>ਬ੍ਰਹਮੰਡ </em></a>॥</td></tr><tr><td><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE" target="_blank"><em>ਨਾਮ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><em>ਕੇ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><em>ਧਾਰੇ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><em>ਸਿਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%A6" target="_blank"><em>ਬੇਦ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank"><em>ਪੁਰਾਨ </em></a>॥.</td></tr><tr><td><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE" target="_blank"><em>ਨਾਮ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><em>ਕੇ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><em>ਧਾਰੇ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank"><em>ਸੁਨਨ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank"><em>ਗਿਆਨ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank"><em>ਧਿਆਨ </em></a>॥</td></tr><tr><td><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE" target="_blank"><em>ਨਾਮ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><em>ਕੇ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><em>ਧਾਰੇ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B8" target="_blank"><em>ਆਗਾਸ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B2" target="_blank"><em>ਪਾਤਾਲ </em></a>॥</td></tr><tr><td><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE" target="_blank"><em>ਨਾਮ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><em>ਕੇ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><em>ਧਾਰੇ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%B2" target="_blank"><em>ਸਗਲ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0" target="_blank"><em>ਆਕਾਰ </em></a>॥</td></tr><tr><td><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE" target="_blank"><em>ਨਾਮ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><em>ਕੇ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><em>ਧਾਰੇ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%86" target="_blank"><em>ਪੁਰੀਆ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%AD" target="_blank"><em>ਸਭ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank"><em>ਭਵਨ </em></a>॥</td></tr><tr><td><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE" target="_blank"><em>ਨਾਮ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%88" target="_blank"><em>ਕੈ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><em>ਸੰਗਿ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><em>ਉਧਰੇ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><em>ਸੁਨਿ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank"><em>ਸ੍ਰਵਨ </em></a>॥</td></tr><tr><td><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><em>ਕਰਿ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank"><em>ਕਿਰਪਾ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><em>ਜਿਸੁ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%88" target="_blank"><em>ਆਪਨੈ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><em>ਨਾਮਿ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%8F" target="_blank"><em>ਲਾਏ </em></a>॥</td></tr><tr><td><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%95" target="_blank"><em>ਨਾਨਕ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%A5%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><em>ਚਉਥੇ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%A6" target="_blank"><em>ਪਦ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><em>ਮਹਿ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%8B" target="_blank"><em>ਸੋ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><em>ਜਨੁ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><em>ਗਤਿ </em></a><a href="https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%8F" target="_blank"><em>ਪਾਏ </em></a>॥੫॥ (AGGS 285)</td></tr></table></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="P J Singh, post: 224506, member: 25524"] Thank you for your kind response. Your knowledge and philosophical interpretation of Gurmat are both intriguing and impressive. However, I find the above response somewhat convoluted and conflated. It will be beneficial for all those who are curious to learn and understand Gurmat if those who are well informed and knowledgeable about Gurbani share their wisdom in a bit simpler and intelligible language. You state and I quote: “So purpose of life is illumination ie getting aware of education of our own spirit of life, before it merges in initiation”. Here you have used the word “our own spirit”. Can you please help me understand who is this “Our” you are referring to. For example, if you are referring to a person who is standing in front of you then are you advising the physical form that is in front of you or something inside of him. What is this "entity" you are referring to and how does it come into being? It is like when someone says "you" should do sewa- who is this "you" that is being referred to. I hope you understand the direction I am going. If it is not clear, I would be happy to expand on it, please let me know. You also state and I quote: “This is outer darkness, so if there is lack of inner awareness,”. Could you please help me understand what do you mean by “awareness” and how does it evolve and come into play? It is unfortunate we see the proliferations of Deras and Babas in Punjab and many innocent Sikhs get drawn to them. Why? Because they ( Deras and Babas) use simple language to communicate Gurmat. Whether their Gurbani interpretations are correct or not is another matter, but they are very successful in connecting with Sikh masses. Perhaps there is a lesson for us all. From philosophical threshold, let us please come down to the ground and focus on Gurbani in some simple manner. In Gurmat there are four key concepts, to start with, that we should help each other understand: [LIST] [*]Ek/ Akalpurkh/Saat. [*]Sabad [*]Naam [*]Hukum [/LIST] Then there are references to Jyoti and Jot. Ek is the Jyoti ( the Source of all); Jot emanates from Jyoti. God does not do anything Himself; everything is done through Hukum and Naam -- Naam being the functional potency of God through which it creates and manages the creation. [URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B'][I]ਜੋ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%90'][I]ਕਹੀਐ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%8B'][I]ਸੋ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AD'][I]ਪ੍ਰਭ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%87'][I]ਤੇ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%88'][I]ਹੋਈ [/I][/URL]॥ Whatever is said to be, is from You, O God. [URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF'][I]ਉਤਪਤਿ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%89'][I]ਪਰਲਉ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81'][I]ਅਵਰੁ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8'][I]ਨ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%88'][I]ਕੋਈ [/I][/URL]॥੧॥ Creation and destruction do not come from anyone else. ||1|| (AGGS 905) [B]______________[/B] [TABLE] [TR] [TD][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE'] [I]ਨਾਮ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%87'][I]ਕੇ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87'][I]ਧਾਰੇ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%87'][I]ਸਗਲੇ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A4'][I]ਜੰਤ [/I][/URL]॥.[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE'][I]ਨਾਮ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%87'][I]ਕੇ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87'][I]ਧਾਰੇ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A1'][I]ਖੰਡ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A1'][I]ਬ੍ਰਹਮੰਡ [/I][/URL]॥[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE'][I]ਨਾਮ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%87'][I]ਕੇ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87'][I]ਧਾਰੇ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF'][I]ਸਿਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%A6'][I]ਬੇਦ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8'][I]ਪੁਰਾਨ [/I][/URL]॥.[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE'][I]ਨਾਮ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%87'][I]ਕੇ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87'][I]ਧਾਰੇ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%A8'][I]ਸੁਨਨ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%A8'][I]ਗਿਆਨ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%A8'][I]ਧਿਆਨ [/I][/URL]॥[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE'][I]ਨਾਮ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%87'][I]ਕੇ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87'][I]ਧਾਰੇ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B8'][I]ਆਗਾਸ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B2'][I]ਪਾਤਾਲ [/I][/URL]॥[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE'][I]ਨਾਮ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%87'][I]ਕੇ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87'][I]ਧਾਰੇ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%B2'][I]ਸਗਲ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0'][I]ਆਕਾਰ [/I][/URL]॥[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE'][I]ਨਾਮ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%87'][I]ਕੇ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87'][I]ਧਾਰੇ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%86'][I]ਪੁਰੀਆ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%AD'][I]ਸਭ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%A8'][I]ਭਵਨ [/I][/URL]॥[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE'][I]ਨਾਮ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%88'][I]ਕੈ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%BF'][I]ਸੰਗਿ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87'][I]ਉਧਰੇ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF'][I]ਸੁਨਿ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%A8'][I]ਸ੍ਰਵਨ [/I][/URL]॥[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF'][I]ਕਰਿ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE'][I]ਕਿਰਪਾ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81'][I]ਜਿਸੁ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%88'][I]ਆਪਨੈ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BF'][I]ਨਾਮਿ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%8F'][I]ਲਾਏ [/I][/URL]॥[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%95'][I]ਨਾਨਕ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%A5%E0%A9%87'][I]ਚਉਥੇ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%A6'][I]ਪਦ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF'][I]ਮਹਿ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%8B'][I]ਸੋ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81'][I]ਜਨੁ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF'][I]ਗਤਿ [/I][/URL][URL='https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%8F'][I]ਪਾਏ [/I][/URL]॥੫॥ (AGGS 285)[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [/QUOTE]
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