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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="Harjas Kaur Khalsa" data-source="post: 53214" data-attributes="member: 2125"><p>I took surname of Khalsa because in the United States 90% of Sikh converts take this surname. It is a way of eliminating any references to caste, class, race, nationality. You cannot tell who is convert from Judaism, Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, etc. Are we worthy to be called Harjas? Are we worthy to be called Kaur? Are we worthy to be named Gurdev? Are we worthy to be named Nirmal? Isn't the name something you are given to try to live up to? There are thousands of people with the surname Khalsa. It actually is a tip off that I'm an American convert. Although some Indians in America have also taken this surname. This is the name I accepted from the Panj Piare when I became amrit chuk. </p><p></p><p>Is it qualities of a Sikh which are being pointed out, or is it qualities rejecting Sikh teaching that are being pointed out? Since many people on forums are promoting something as Sikhi which it is not: cutting hair, being a Naamdhari, removing kakkars etc. Are these personal criticisms or matters of distorting definitions of the religious faith for which clarity should be made?</p><p> </p><p>Certainly everyone should be able to agree who Guru Ji is. Certainly everyone should be able to agree that Sikhi promotes not cutting or shaving hair. And if we can't agree on these basic things, what's in a name?</p><p> </p><p></p><p>The definition of who is a Sikh and who is a Khalsa and what is legitimate Sikh practice have nothing to do with either of our opinions. And definitely, if I do something wrong, especially on a public forum, I have to answer for it to the sangat, to the Panj Piare, and if bad enough to Akal Takht. So I try very carefully to research something before I say it. That doesn't mean I'm not wrong. But it means people should use care when speaking for what Sikhi is or is not. And if people distort Gurbani or invent new definitions of what Sikhi is on a public forum, and Sikhs do not correct or clarify it, that would be a sin. </p><p> </p><p>If something is not what Sikhi teaches, then you or I or a doctoral dissertation, a book, a website, neon signs or a record album, a radio broadcast or a t.v. show will not make it so. And you should ask yourself, is the issue people have with someone who tells you what Sikhi teaches, or is the issue people have with what Sikhi actually teaches? Think about it. Because even if no one says anything. The eternal Truth is still the eternal Truth. People don't have to be perfect. Guruji still loves all people and will help them. But people need to be careful not to speak some false teaching in the name of Sikh religion. I don't have that right. No one has that right.</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'">[SIZE=-1]I didn't quote any Jathabandi Maryada which tend to be stricter. Although, those who have taken amrit need to follow the instructions and Maryada of their Panj Piare. This is just straight up the SGPC Maryada. And if you compare the authoritative definition of a Sikh, and practice of an amritdhari with what is promoted on the forums, you have to admit theres some real distortions being passed off to the public. Should people be quiet and accept all these distorted definitions in the name of tolerance? It's a forum. Why can't people share their best understanding of what the truth about Sikhi is, and what it isn't? If people want to cut hair and have some identity as Sikh, that's fine. It's when people start teaching that Sikhi and our Guru's teach it's acceptable to cut hair; when people start to redefine what Sikhi teaches, then that's a debate. Loud opinions really are nothing. Your position needs to be credible and cite sources to establish what the teachings actually are. Then thats established teaching and practice, not your opinion.[/SIZE]</span></p><p> </p><p></p><p>1. I think I have a clue</p><p></p><p>2. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh (The Khalsa belongs to God. the Victory belongs to God.) So God is better than the Khalsa. Khalsa is God's own Army. Khalsa Panth is invested with Guruship, and Guru is God's own Jyot.</p><p>3. According to the rehat Maryada and Panj Piare I became a member of the Khalsa when I became amrit chukk.</p><p>4. According to the rehat Maryada, there are 4 bujjar kurehits which would invalidate my amrit. There is nothing which says referring to myself as Khalsa will invalidate my amrit and necessitate rebaptism. Also it states that taking amrit we become members of the Khalsa Panth. See above link to Rehat Maryada. To be a member of Khalsa Panth is also an evolution. We are supposed to follow practices of Sikhism and become better people over time. The goal really is jeevan mukta. And I will publically acknowledge that I am not a good person. I want to be a good person. I am not a holy person. I want to be a holy person. So there is no doubt, I accept all of your criticisms as to being a bad person in need of Guruji's corrections. I am sure they will come.</p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Please correct my mistakes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harjas Kaur Khalsa, post: 53214, member: 2125"] I took surname of Khalsa because in the United States 90% of Sikh converts take this surname. It is a way of eliminating any references to caste, class, race, nationality. You cannot tell who is convert from Judaism, Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, etc. Are we worthy to be called Harjas? Are we worthy to be called Kaur? Are we worthy to be named Gurdev? Are we worthy to be named Nirmal? Isn't the name something you are given to try to live up to? There are thousands of people with the surname Khalsa. It actually is a tip off that I'm an American convert. Although some Indians in America have also taken this surname. This is the name I accepted from the Panj Piare when I became amrit chuk. Is it qualities of a Sikh which are being pointed out, or is it qualities rejecting Sikh teaching that are being pointed out? Since many people on forums are promoting something as Sikhi which it is not: cutting hair, being a Naamdhari, removing kakkars etc. Are these personal criticisms or matters of distorting definitions of the religious faith for which clarity should be made? Certainly everyone should be able to agree who Guru Ji is. Certainly everyone should be able to agree that Sikhi promotes not cutting or shaving hair. And if we can't agree on these basic things, what's in a name? The definition of who is a Sikh and who is a Khalsa and what is legitimate Sikh practice have nothing to do with either of our opinions. And definitely, if I do something wrong, especially on a public forum, I have to answer for it to the sangat, to the Panj Piare, and if bad enough to Akal Takht. So I try very carefully to research something before I say it. That doesn't mean I'm not wrong. But it means people should use care when speaking for what Sikhi is or is not. And if people distort Gurbani or invent new definitions of what Sikhi is on a public forum, and Sikhs do not correct or clarify it, that would be a sin. If something is not what Sikhi teaches, then you or I or a doctoral dissertation, a book, a website, neon signs or a record album, a radio broadcast or a t.v. show will not make it so. And you should ask yourself, is the issue people have with someone who tells you what Sikhi teaches, or is the issue people have with what Sikhi actually teaches? Think about it. Because even if no one says anything. The eternal Truth is still the eternal Truth. People don't have to be perfect. Guruji still loves all people and will help them. But people need to be careful not to speak some false teaching in the name of Sikh religion. I don't have that right. No one has that right. [FONT=arial][SIZE=-1]I didn't quote any Jathabandi Maryada which tend to be stricter. Although, those who have taken amrit need to follow the instructions and Maryada of their Panj Piare. This is just straight up the SGPC Maryada. And if you compare the authoritative definition of a Sikh, and practice of an amritdhari with what is promoted on the forums, you have to admit theres some real distortions being passed off to the public. Should people be quiet and accept all these distorted definitions in the name of tolerance? It's a forum. Why can't people share their best understanding of what the truth about Sikhi is, and what it isn't? If people want to cut hair and have some identity as Sikh, that's fine. It's when people start teaching that Sikhi and our Guru's teach it's acceptable to cut hair; when people start to redefine what Sikhi teaches, then that's a debate. Loud opinions really are nothing. Your position needs to be credible and cite sources to establish what the teachings actually are. Then thats established teaching and practice, not your opinion.[/SIZE][/FONT] 1. I think I have a clue 2. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh (The Khalsa belongs to God. the Victory belongs to God.) So God is better than the Khalsa. Khalsa is God's own Army. Khalsa Panth is invested with Guruship, and Guru is God's own Jyot. 3. According to the rehat Maryada and Panj Piare I became a member of the Khalsa when I became amrit chukk. 4. According to the rehat Maryada, there are 4 bujjar kurehits which would invalidate my amrit. There is nothing which says referring to myself as Khalsa will invalidate my amrit and necessitate rebaptism. Also it states that taking amrit we become members of the Khalsa Panth. See above link to Rehat Maryada. To be a member of Khalsa Panth is also an evolution. We are supposed to follow practices of Sikhism and become better people over time. The goal really is jeevan mukta. And I will publically acknowledge that I am not a good person. I want to be a good person. I am not a holy person. I want to be a holy person. So there is no doubt, I accept all of your criticisms as to being a bad person in need of Guruji's corrections. I am sure they will come. [COLOR=#000000][FONT=verdana][FONT=Arial][COLOR=navy][/COLOR][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] Please correct my mistakes. [/QUOTE]
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