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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="findingmyway" data-source="post: 141165" data-attributes="member: 12855"><p><strong>Re: Why Do You Think That Sikhism Is Right/From God?</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Completely agree with you. Shanger is ignoring all the logic given such as about the things that apparently are to control people and insists on repeating such points without evidence. However, I am going to try and do the decent thing by responding to some points raised.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Now if we were to tell you about a miracle or future prediction you would deride it as not being logical so its a catch-22 situation!! The beauty of Sikhi is it all makes perfect sense. Belief in miracles and prophecies is not encouraged-quite the opposite as they don't make sense. There are absolutely no inconsistencies or statements that don't make sense to even non-Sikh scholars. If you are looking for a miracle then Sikhism is def not for you as Sikhism is very pragmatic. It is not about following a 'book' but it is the teachings that matter. It is the philosophy and the guidance that matters. That has withstood scrutiny time and again from various sources.</p><p></p><p>Your information about alcohol is wrong but I don't want to dwell on it. More information is here <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/31124-alcohol-as-parshad.html#post132035" target="_blank">http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/31124-alcohol-as-parshad.html#post132035</a> as well as several other threads. You want to drink it-no problem no-one is stopping you but that does not make it right or healthy.</p><p></p><p>Your understanding of reincarnation is poor. There are several threads about it so happy reading! Here is one to get you started, make sure you read all the way through <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/9096-reincarnation-11.html#post134524" target="_blank">http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/9096-reincarnation-11.html#post134524</a>. In no way is it a threat. I think spnadmin ji's analogy with the gun is more appropriate than yours.</p><p></p><p>Prayer is for ourselves, not for God. This has also been discussed previously. You are also not looking very deeply into Japji Sahib. How can I summarise here when I've said each pauri takes 1 hour discussion. If you really want to delve further and try and understand then you have a lot of studying to do-looking at 1 English translation is really not enough. Here is a starting point <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/jap-ji-sahib/34163-study-japuji-sahib-dr-karminder-singh.html" target="_blank">http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/jap-ji-sahib/34163-study-japuji-sahib-dr-karminder-singh.html</a></p><p></p><p>I actually find your statement about controlling people quite offensive. The Guru's gave their life for FREEDOM. They never promoted conversion or forced their beliefs on others. In fact they encouraged people to be nobel whatever path they were walking on. Several Guru's and other martyr's gave up their life so people could CHOOSE their pwn life path, so the Moghul emperor would stop converting people by force whether they were Sikh or Hindu. On what level does that show controlling behaviour? How many other people in the entire history of the world have sacrificed themselves for others (not their own followers or religion)? Very very few.</p><p></p><p>When people became Sikhs it was always of their own free will. When people sacrificed themselves for the principles of Sikhi is was of their own free will. The Moghuls were forcing people yet still people sacrificed themselves to join the Sikh army and fight repression. Before the Sikh Guru's, very few took a stand against the Moghuls. Ask the survivors of the other Sikh genocides and they will all tell you they are Sikh and risked their lives of their own free will and out of love not fear of God. The only way you are doomed by not embracing is not the wrath of God but by letting our mind and our desires control us. We miss out on the peace and serenity that spirituality offers us.</p><p></p><p>At the end of the day you choose whether you want to follow Sikh philosophy or not. You have been given a lot of good points why Sikh philosophy is inspiring. Now it is entirely your choice whether you want to explore things further for yourself or not. I have no desire to convert you so the choice is yours and yours alone. Unless you explore you will never understand :noticemunda:</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="findingmyway, post: 141165, member: 12855"] [b]Re: Why Do You Think That Sikhism Is Right/From God?[/b] Completely agree with you. Shanger is ignoring all the logic given such as about the things that apparently are to control people and insists on repeating such points without evidence. However, I am going to try and do the decent thing by responding to some points raised. Now if we were to tell you about a miracle or future prediction you would deride it as not being logical so its a catch-22 situation!! The beauty of Sikhi is it all makes perfect sense. Belief in miracles and prophecies is not encouraged-quite the opposite as they don't make sense. There are absolutely no inconsistencies or statements that don't make sense to even non-Sikh scholars. If you are looking for a miracle then Sikhism is def not for you as Sikhism is very pragmatic. It is not about following a 'book' but it is the teachings that matter. It is the philosophy and the guidance that matters. That has withstood scrutiny time and again from various sources. Your information about alcohol is wrong but I don't want to dwell on it. More information is here [URL]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/31124-alcohol-as-parshad.html#post132035[/URL] as well as several other threads. You want to drink it-no problem no-one is stopping you but that does not make it right or healthy. Your understanding of reincarnation is poor. There are several threads about it so happy reading! Here is one to get you started, make sure you read all the way through [URL]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/9096-reincarnation-11.html#post134524[/URL]. In no way is it a threat. I think spnadmin ji's analogy with the gun is more appropriate than yours. Prayer is for ourselves, not for God. This has also been discussed previously. You are also not looking very deeply into Japji Sahib. How can I summarise here when I've said each pauri takes 1 hour discussion. If you really want to delve further and try and understand then you have a lot of studying to do-looking at 1 English translation is really not enough. Here is a starting point [URL]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/jap-ji-sahib/34163-study-japuji-sahib-dr-karminder-singh.html[/URL] I actually find your statement about controlling people quite offensive. The Guru's gave their life for FREEDOM. They never promoted conversion or forced their beliefs on others. In fact they encouraged people to be nobel whatever path they were walking on. Several Guru's and other martyr's gave up their life so people could CHOOSE their pwn life path, so the Moghul emperor would stop converting people by force whether they were Sikh or Hindu. On what level does that show controlling behaviour? How many other people in the entire history of the world have sacrificed themselves for others (not their own followers or religion)? Very very few. When people became Sikhs it was always of their own free will. When people sacrificed themselves for the principles of Sikhi is was of their own free will. The Moghuls were forcing people yet still people sacrificed themselves to join the Sikh army and fight repression. Before the Sikh Guru's, very few took a stand against the Moghuls. Ask the survivors of the other Sikh genocides and they will all tell you they are Sikh and risked their lives of their own free will and out of love not fear of God. The only way you are doomed by not embracing is not the wrath of God but by letting our mind and our desires control us. We miss out on the peace and serenity that spirituality offers us. At the end of the day you choose whether you want to follow Sikh philosophy or not. You have been given a lot of good points why Sikh philosophy is inspiring. Now it is entirely your choice whether you want to explore things further for yourself or not. I have no desire to convert you so the choice is yours and yours alone. Unless you explore you will never understand :noticemunda: [/QUOTE]
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