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ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="BhagatSingh" data-source="post: 175757" data-attributes="member: 2610"><p>I will load this post with links for your reading. I enjoyed reading through them myself a while ago.</p><p> Dualism in the west is used for mind-brain (in psychology), subject-object (in philosophy) dualism. In the east, we use to mean all of the dualities of the world such as night-day, male-female, good-bad, the most fundamental and important duality to overcome is soul-God duality. In Non-dualism (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advaita_Vedanta" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advaita_Vedanta</a>), the soul IS God and vice-verse, absolutely no difference! None. One of it's most famous proponent was <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adi_Shankara" target="_blank">Adi Shankara</a>.</p><p></p><p>The line of thought in Sikhism originally comes from Qualified Non-Dualism (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vishishtadvaita" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vishishtadvaita</a>). The soul is God but has separated from Him, and the idea is to merge back to be God again. So the soul is God but there's a qualifier, only when it attains liberation. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramanuja" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramanuja</a> taught this philosophy, and he influenced some of the early Bhagats in Sikhism, who then influenced later ones.</p><p></p><p>We talked about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shri_Madhvacharya" target="_blank">Madhvacharya</a> and Dualism (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvaita" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvaita</a>) already.</p><p><img src="http://static.newworldencyclopedia.org/thumb/1/1d/Shri_Madhvacharya.jpg/250px-Shri_Madhvacharya.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p>Notice in the painting he is holding two fingers up. He says that essentially (in reality) soul-God are different, male-female are different, day -night are different. They are not one and the same (like the other two would say) but two distinct entities. </p><p></p><p>There were two videos I posted in a reply to Confused ji, do take a look at those as well. Shin Zen young, Robert Thurman and Deepak Chopra are all great speakers. The former two are Buddhist. The latter is Hindu.</p><p></p><p>My reading leads me to conclude those quotes/teachings are dualism in essence. Yes God is everywhere for the dualists. He is present is us and in the world. Wherever we look we may see Him but ultimately He is separate from us. We cannot be Him, only have good relations with Him as we do with another being. This is the vibe I am getting from your elaboration and the quote. I have not read the entire canon so maybe other parts are non-dualist, who knows but clearly the essence is dualism. But I remember you said some mystics were perscecuted by the Church, this maybe so because they might believe in a Non-Dual reality, and the Church sees Christ's message as Dualist.</p><p></p><p>This is Dualism. God is transcendent and immanent is actually part of both Non-Dualism and Dualism but their claim to <u>essential reality</u> is different.</p><p></p><p>Non-Dualism would say we are in Essence God Himself. "Aham atma.. (I am the soul)" said God in Bhagwad Gita.</p><p></p><p>Ambarsaria ji,</p><p>Beautifully put. </p><p></p><p>PS vouthon ji, </p><p>Remember, just be honest if you ever do become enlightened.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BhagatSingh, post: 175757, member: 2610"] I will load this post with links for your reading. I enjoyed reading through them myself a while ago. Dualism in the west is used for mind-brain (in psychology), subject-object (in philosophy) dualism. In the east, we use to mean all of the dualities of the world such as night-day, male-female, good-bad, the most fundamental and important duality to overcome is soul-God duality. In Non-dualism ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advaita_Vedanta[/url]), the soul IS God and vice-verse, absolutely no difference! None. One of it's most famous proponent was [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adi_Shankara"]Adi Shankara[/url]. The line of thought in Sikhism originally comes from Qualified Non-Dualism ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vishishtadvaita[/url]). The soul is God but has separated from Him, and the idea is to merge back to be God again. So the soul is God but there's a qualifier, only when it attains liberation. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramanuja[/url] taught this philosophy, and he influenced some of the early Bhagats in Sikhism, who then influenced later ones. We talked about [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shri_Madhvacharya"]Madhvacharya[/url] and Dualism ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvaita[/url]) already. [IMG]http://static.newworldencyclopedia.org/thumb/1/1d/Shri_Madhvacharya.jpg/250px-Shri_Madhvacharya.jpg[/IMG] Notice in the painting he is holding two fingers up. He says that essentially (in reality) soul-God are different, male-female are different, day -night are different. They are not one and the same (like the other two would say) but two distinct entities. There were two videos I posted in a reply to Confused ji, do take a look at those as well. Shin Zen young, Robert Thurman and Deepak Chopra are all great speakers. The former two are Buddhist. The latter is Hindu. My reading leads me to conclude those quotes/teachings are dualism in essence. Yes God is everywhere for the dualists. He is present is us and in the world. Wherever we look we may see Him but ultimately He is separate from us. We cannot be Him, only have good relations with Him as we do with another being. This is the vibe I am getting from your elaboration and the quote. I have not read the entire canon so maybe other parts are non-dualist, who knows but clearly the essence is dualism. But I remember you said some mystics were perscecuted by the Church, this maybe so because they might believe in a Non-Dual reality, and the Church sees Christ's message as Dualist. This is Dualism. God is transcendent and immanent is actually part of both Non-Dualism and Dualism but their claim to [U]essential reality[/U] is different. Non-Dualism would say we are in Essence God Himself. "Aham atma.. (I am the soul)" said God in Bhagwad Gita. Ambarsaria ji, Beautifully put. PS vouthon ji, Remember, just be honest if you ever do become enlightened. [/QUOTE]
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