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<blockquote data-quote="dalsingh" data-source="post: 101152" data-attributes="member: 2883"><p>Well Benjamin</p><p> </p><p>I think I've said all I can on the subject from my end. </p><p> </p><p>For the record, here is a definition of transgression, you seem to have misunderstood the meaning. </p><p> </p><p><strong>transgression</strong></p><p> <em>the action of going beyond or overstepping some boundary or limit </em></p><p> </p><p>My point was that some people fear this because of the punishment arising from this, as opposed to God per se. So they rigidly stick to rules in a book and do not use the internal moral compass. So whilst they may follow their rules rigidly and technically, their actions can still be immoral.</p><p> </p><p>Hope you enjoyed. Even though I think you are having difficulties following the trains of ideas in the thread. In the end, the answer to your question of Sikhs fearing God is that in practice many Sikhs do not "fear" God as in being in terror at the thought of some retribution. </p><p> </p><p>Also thanks for highlighting the importance of understanding Gurbani holistically. Now for you (and me!) to balance what we have learnt about fearing God can I suggest you do another search on Gurbani but this time using love. This will help you understand better. </p><p> </p><p>I know the forum rules are to post complete shabads, but I will break with protocol just to give you an idea of what you will encounter: (sorry fellow admins)</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=32&english=t&id=1345#l1345" target="_blank"><u><span style="font-size: 15px">Page 32, Line 17</span></u></a></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: black">ਮਨੁ ਤਨੁ ਰਤਾ ਰੰਗ ਸਿਉ ਹਉਮੈ ਤਜਿ ਵਿਕਾਰ ॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">मनु तनु रता रंग सिउ हउमै तजि विकार ॥</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">Man ṯan raṯā rang si▫o ha▫umai ṯaj vikār.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">One whose mind and body are imbued with the Lord's <strong><span style="color: #ab5555">Love</span></strong> gives up egotism and corruption.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: green"><strong>Guru Amar Das</strong></span> - [SIZE=-1]<a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=32&L=17&id=1345" target="_blank"><u>view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</u></a>[/SIZE]</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=33&english=t&id=1362#l1362" target="_blank"><u><span style="font-size: 15px">Page 33, Line 6</span></u></a></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: black">ਨਾਨਕ ਸਹਜੇ ਹੀ ਰੰਗਿ ਵਰਤਦਾ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਣ ਪਾਵੈ ਸੋਇ ॥੪॥੧੭॥੫੦॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">नानक सहजे ही रंगि वरतदा हरि गुण पावै सोइ ॥४॥१७॥५०॥</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">Nānak sėhje hī rang varaṯḏā har guṇ pāvai so▫e. ||4||17||50||</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">O Nanak, one who lives in intuitive peace and poise, imbued with the Lord's <strong><span style="color: #ab5555">Love</span></strong>, obtains the Glorious Praises of the Lord. ||4||17||50||</span></span></p><p><span style="color: green"><strong>Guru Amar Das</strong></span> - [SIZE=-1]<a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=33&L=6&id=1362" target="_blank"><u>view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</u></a>[/SIZE]</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=2&english=t&id=31#l31" target="_blank"><u><span style="font-size: 15px">Page 2, Line 3</span></u></a></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: black">ਸਾਚਾ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਸਾਚੁ ਨਾਇ ਭਾਖਿਆ ਭਾਉ ਅਪਾਰੁ ॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">साचा साहिबु साचु नाइ भाखिआ भाउ अपारु ॥</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">Sācẖā sāhib sācẖ nā▫e bẖākẖi▫ā bẖā▫o apār.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">True is the Master, True is His Name-speak it with infinite <strong><span style="color: #ab5555">love</span></strong>.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: green"><strong>Guru Nanak Dev</strong></span> - [SIZE=-1]<a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=2&L=3&id=31" target="_blank"><u>view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</u></a>[/SIZE]</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=2&english=t&id=42#l42" target="_blank"><u><span style="font-size: 15px">Page 2, Line 8</span></u></a></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: black">ਗਾਵੀਐ ਸੁਣੀਐ ਮਨਿ ਰਖੀਐ ਭਾਉ ॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">गावीऐ सुणीऐ मनि रखीऐ भाउ ॥</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">Gāvī▫ai suṇī▫ai man rakẖī▫ai bẖā▫o.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">Sing, and listen, and let your mind be filled with <strong><span style="color: #ab5555">love</span></strong>.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: green"><strong>Guru Nanak Dev</strong></span> - [SIZE=-1]<a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=2&L=8&id=42" target="_blank"><u>view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</u></a>[/SIZE]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dalsingh, post: 101152, member: 2883"] Well Benjamin I think I've said all I can on the subject from my end. For the record, here is a definition of transgression, you seem to have misunderstood the meaning. [B]transgression[/B] [I]the action of going beyond or overstepping some boundary or limit [/I] My point was that some people fear this because of the punishment arising from this, as opposed to God per se. So they rigidly stick to rules in a book and do not use the internal moral compass. So whilst they may follow their rules rigidly and technically, their actions can still be immoral. Hope you enjoyed. Even though I think you are having difficulties following the trains of ideas in the thread. In the end, the answer to your question of Sikhs fearing God is that in practice many Sikhs do not "fear" God as in being in terror at the thought of some retribution. Also thanks for highlighting the importance of understanding Gurbani holistically. Now for you (and me!) to balance what we have learnt about fearing God can I suggest you do another search on Gurbani but this time using love. This will help you understand better. I know the forum rules are to post complete shabads, but I will break with protocol just to give you an idea of what you will encounter: (sorry fellow admins) [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=32&english=t&id=1345#l1345"][U][SIZE=4]Page 32, Line 17[/SIZE][/U][/URL] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=4][COLOR=black]ਮਨੁ ਤਨੁ ਰਤਾ ਰੰਗ ਸਿਉ ਹਉਮੈ ਤਜਿ ਵਿਕਾਰ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]मनु तनु रता रंग सिउ हउमै तजि विकार ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]Man ṯan raṯā rang si▫o ha▫umai ṯaj vikār.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]One whose mind and body are imbued with the Lord's [B][COLOR=#ab5555]Love[/COLOR][/B] gives up egotism and corruption.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=green][B]Guru Amar Das[/B][/COLOR] - [SIZE=-1][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=32&L=17&id=1345"][U]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok[/U][/URL][/SIZE] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=33&english=t&id=1362#l1362"][U][SIZE=4]Page 33, Line 6[/SIZE][/U][/URL] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=4][COLOR=black]ਨਾਨਕ ਸਹਜੇ ਹੀ ਰੰਗਿ ਵਰਤਦਾ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਣ ਪਾਵੈ ਸੋਇ ॥੪॥੧੭॥੫੦॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]नानक सहजे ही रंगि वरतदा हरि गुण पावै सोइ ॥४॥१७॥५०॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]Nānak sėhje hī rang varaṯḏā har guṇ pāvai so▫e. ||4||17||50||[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]O Nanak, one who lives in intuitive peace and poise, imbued with the Lord's [B][COLOR=#ab5555]Love[/COLOR][/B], obtains the Glorious Praises of the Lord. ||4||17||50||[/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=green][B]Guru Amar Das[/B][/COLOR] - [SIZE=-1][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=33&L=6&id=1362"][U]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok[/U][/URL][/SIZE] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=2&english=t&id=31#l31"][U][SIZE=4]Page 2, Line 3[/SIZE][/U][/URL] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=4][COLOR=black]ਸਾਚਾ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਸਾਚੁ ਨਾਇ ਭਾਖਿਆ ਭਾਉ ਅਪਾਰੁ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]साचा साहिबु साचु नाइ भाखिआ भाउ अपारु ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]Sācẖā sāhib sācẖ nā▫e bẖākẖi▫ā bẖā▫o apār.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]True is the Master, True is His Name-speak it with infinite [B][COLOR=#ab5555]love[/COLOR][/B].[/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=green][B]Guru Nanak Dev[/B][/COLOR] - [SIZE=-1][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=2&L=3&id=31"][U]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok[/U][/URL][/SIZE] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=2&english=t&id=42#l42"][U][SIZE=4]Page 2, Line 8[/SIZE][/U][/URL] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=4][COLOR=black]ਗਾਵੀਐ ਸੁਣੀਐ ਮਨਿ ਰਖੀਐ ਭਾਉ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]गावीऐ सुणीऐ मनि रखीऐ भाउ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]Gāvī▫ai suṇī▫ai man rakẖī▫ai bẖā▫o.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]Sing, and listen, and let your mind be filled with [B][COLOR=#ab5555]love[/COLOR][/B].[/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=green][B]Guru Nanak Dev[/B][/COLOR] - [SIZE=-1][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=2&L=8&id=42"][U]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok[/U][/URL][/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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