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Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
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Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
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Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
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Gurbani (537-556)
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Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
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Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
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Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
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Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
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<blockquote data-quote="spnadmin" data-source="post: 108133" data-attributes="member: 35"><p><strong>Re: Dilemma for Westerners?</strong></p><p></p><p><strong>Again returning to the thread topic, </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: Blue">....The thread (started by Harbhanj24 ji) explores dilemmas encountered by "westerners" in particular one who was considering becoming adherents of Sikhism. </span></strong></p><p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">Aus Desi ji, With your indulgence -- You have made three very interesting observations about change. I want to turn them into questions that may continue discussion about dilemmas faced by "westerners."</p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">================================================================================================</p> <p style="text-align: left"> Quote:</p> <p style="text-align: left"> Originally Posted by <strong>AusDesi</strong> <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/26086-dilemma-for-westerners-post108043.html#post108043" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/webchat/buttons/viewpost.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a> </p> <p style="text-align: left"><em>I think I agree with the view that its all in your mind. If you really have the will to achieve success then your religious beliefs should not matter. </em></p> <p style="text-align: left"><em></em></p> <p style="text-align: left"><em><span style="color: Olive">Could adherence to religious beliefs provide even greater resolve and lead to greater success -- even if there were obstacles and mishaps along the way. </span></em></p> <p style="text-align: left"><em></em></p> <p style="text-align: left"><em>One of the ways you can tell its in the mind is when people from India move over to the states. Even if they don't have a turban they still feel something is holding them back. Some change their names. Some change their religions to fit in. </em></p> <p style="text-align: left"><em><span style="color: Olive"></span></em></p> <p style="text-align: left"><em><span style="color: Olive"></span><span style="color: Olive">What is holding them back? </span></em></p> <p style="text-align: left"><em></em></p> <p style="text-align: left"><em>The problem is that they might have had a physical journey but they haven't had a inner journey. </em></p> <p style="text-align: left"><em></em></p> <p style="text-align: left"><em><span style="color: Olive">What needs to happen in that inner journey? </span></em></p> <p style="text-align: left"><em></em></p> <p style="text-align: left"><em>They feel that a turban or a name or a religion is just an accessory that is attached with them. Anyone who realises that these things make them who they are will never change them.</em></p> <p style="text-align: left"><em></em></p> <p style="text-align: left"><em><span style="color: Olive">Do the inner changes and the outward signs ever work in unison? </span></em></p> <p style="text-align: left"><em></em></p> <p style="text-align: left"> =================================================================================================</p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: DimGray">Questions for anyone who is interested to consider. </span> </p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="spnadmin, post: 108133, member: 35"] [b]Re: Dilemma for Westerners?[/b] [B]Again returning to the thread topic, [COLOR=Blue]....The thread (started by Harbhanj24 ji) explores dilemmas encountered by "westerners" in particular one who was considering becoming adherents of Sikhism. [/COLOR][/B] [LEFT] Aus Desi ji, With your indulgence -- You have made three very interesting observations about change. I want to turn them into questions that may continue discussion about dilemmas faced by "westerners." ================================================================================================ Quote: Originally Posted by [B]AusDesi[/B] [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/26086-dilemma-for-westerners-post108043.html#post108043"][IMG]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/webchat/buttons/viewpost.gif[/IMG][/URL] [I]I think I agree with the view that its all in your mind. If you really have the will to achieve success then your religious beliefs should not matter. [COLOR=Olive]Could adherence to religious beliefs provide even greater resolve and lead to greater success -- even if there were obstacles and mishaps along the way. [/COLOR] One of the ways you can tell its in the mind is when people from India move over to the states. Even if they don't have a turban they still feel something is holding them back. Some change their names. Some change their religions to fit in. [COLOR=Olive] [/COLOR][COLOR=Olive]What is holding them back? [/COLOR] The problem is that they might have had a physical journey but they haven't had a inner journey. [COLOR=Olive]What needs to happen in that inner journey? [/COLOR] They feel that a turban or a name or a religion is just an accessory that is attached with them. Anyone who realises that these things make them who they are will never change them. [COLOR=Olive]Do the inner changes and the outward signs ever work in unison? [/COLOR] [/I] ================================================================================================= [COLOR=DimGray]Questions for anyone who is interested to consider. [/COLOR] [/LEFT] [/QUOTE]
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