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Did The Mandir ROTATE For Bhagat Namdev Ji?
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<blockquote data-quote="Ambarsaria" data-source="post: 141048" data-attributes="member: 14194"><p><strong>Re: Did the Mandir ROTATE for Bhagat Namdev Ji ?</strong></p><p></p><p>Bmandur ji thanks for your post.</p><p></p><p>I do believe that we need to have some basic references when we read Gurbani or follow our Gurus teachings. I believe one of the most fundamental ones is the following,</p><p></p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Guruji neither recognized nor showed any chamatkars (miracles)</strong><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">It is our duty when we study Gurbani that we keep this in mind</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">It is our duty when we quote from Gurbani and transliterations to keep it in mind</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If the most one gets out of a shabad is that a Mandir rotated (a literal) and does not see the spiritual core message<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">One is no better than an andh vishvasi (blind faith in literals or stories) and it is pretty hard to get to any level of spiritual achievement, salvation or understanding</li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">It is very natural and common to elevate the people you hold high regard in and show your respect<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">However, people worship is again a disdained practice that our Gurus taught against including worshiping our beloved Gurus</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Understanding the message and teachings is better show of respect versus worshiping the Gurus as super-natural or Gods</li> </ul> </li> </ul><p>I take great offense to the following in your post and find it rather dis-respectful of Bhagat Namdev ji,<span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">"That temple is still rotated. This is the symbol of the true love of God towards His true worshipper. </span></span>"<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I wish Bhagat Namdev ji's was alive today and would have put you in your place if this is what you got out of his shloaks</li> </ul> </li> </ul><p>Here is an excerpt from so-called reference of truth that many use as to substantiate their comments (namely wiki's)<p style="margin-left: 20px">"There is one famous <u><strong>story</strong><strong> told</strong></u> about Sant Namdev and aundha nagnath, that when he was chanting Bhajan in front of Aundha Nagnath temple with <u><em>Sant Dnyaneshwar, Visoba Khechara and few more Varkari</em></u>, the temple pujari told them it is obstruting their temple prayer and asked them to go away from temple. Then all varkaris went back side of the temple and started chanting bhajan there.<u><em> That time Lord Shiva turned the whole temple to listen bhajan</em></u> that's why Nandi is located on back side of temple."</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">PS: The above implies that Lord Shiva was resident in the temple (another fallacy against Sikhism teachings of encasing God in Mandir's and murtis), and with his super-natural powers could not tune to a Bhajan in the back of the Mandir and had to get the front door aligned! Would the Pujaris not have been perturbed in this new position too. I assumed they were inside and moved with the mandir. What did they do? Not protest anymore. Wouldn't it have been easier on Lord Shiva to just put the Pujaris into temporary sleep and hear Bhagat Namdev ji and others! It would have taken much less energy! Just some questions of conscience and not to belittle.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>You have free will and you can believe what you want. However if I accept the above from wiki, I might as well start believing in Hindu God's chamatkars and miracles. I am sure one cannot insult our Gurus more as we will miss a major portion of their teachings.</p><p></p><p>Just my opinions but I do feel strongly.</p><p></p><p>Sat Sri Akal.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ambarsaria, post: 141048, member: 14194"] [b]Re: Did the Mandir ROTATE for Bhagat Namdev Ji ?[/b] Bmandur ji thanks for your post. I do believe that we need to have some basic references when we read Gurbani or follow our Gurus teachings. I believe one of the most fundamental ones is the following, [LIST] [*][B]Guruji neither recognized nor showed any chamatkars (miracles)[/B] [LIST] [*]It is our duty when we study Gurbani that we keep this in mind [*]It is our duty when we quote from Gurbani and transliterations to keep it in mind [*]If the most one gets out of a shabad is that a Mandir rotated (a literal) and does not see the spiritual core message [LIST] [*]One is no better than an andh vishvasi (blind faith in literals or stories) and it is pretty hard to get to any level of spiritual achievement, salvation or understanding [/LIST] [/LIST] [*]It is very natural and common to elevate the people you hold high regard in and show your respect [LIST] [*]However, people worship is again a disdained practice that our Gurus taught against including worshiping our beloved Gurus [*]Understanding the message and teachings is better show of respect versus worshiping the Gurus as super-natural or Gods [/LIST] [/LIST] I take great offense to the following in your post and find it rather dis-respectful of Bhagat Namdev ji,[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [LIST] [*][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]"That temple is still rotated. This is the symbol of the true love of God towards His true worshipper. [/FONT][/SIZE]" [LIST] [*]I wish Bhagat Namdev ji's was alive today and would have put you in your place if this is what you got out of his shloaks [/LIST] [/LIST] Here is an excerpt from so-called reference of truth that many use as to substantiate their comments (namely wiki's)[INDENT]"There is one famous [U][B]story[/B][B] told[/B][/U] about Sant Namdev and aundha nagnath, that when he was chanting Bhajan in front of Aundha Nagnath temple with [U][I]Sant Dnyaneshwar, Visoba Khechara and few more Varkari[/I][/U], the temple pujari told them it is obstruting their temple prayer and asked them to go away from temple. Then all varkaris went back side of the temple and started chanting bhajan there.[U][I] That time Lord Shiva turned the whole temple to listen bhajan[/I][/U] that's why Nandi is located on back side of temple." PS: The above implies that Lord Shiva was resident in the temple (another fallacy against Sikhism teachings of encasing God in Mandir's and murtis), and with his super-natural powers could not tune to a Bhajan in the back of the Mandir and had to get the front door aligned! Would the Pujaris not have been perturbed in this new position too. I assumed they were inside and moved with the mandir. What did they do? Not protest anymore. Wouldn't it have been easier on Lord Shiva to just put the Pujaris into temporary sleep and hear Bhagat Namdev ji and others! It would have taken much less energy! Just some questions of conscience and not to belittle. [/INDENT]You have free will and you can believe what you want. However if I accept the above from wiki, I might as well start believing in Hindu God's chamatkars and miracles. I am sure one cannot insult our Gurus more as we will miss a major portion of their teachings. Just my opinions but I do feel strongly. Sat Sri Akal. [/QUOTE]
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