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ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
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Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
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Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
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Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
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Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
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<blockquote data-quote="anon" data-source="post: 205981" data-attributes="member: 19291"><p>Don't misrepresent what i'm saying and don't misrepresent what others believe. If you had read my post above you would KNOW that I don't believe the Gurus could make prophecies like in fictional stories. If you read my above post you would know that the reason why I am trying to analyse this issue is because there are people out there who do believe that the line in the SGGS is a prediction/premonition made my Guru Nanak and they also believe this prediction/premonition came true. </p><p></p><p>These people also believe the gurus were capable of magic. During my childhood and adolescence when I called myself a "Sikh" (a term I use now to refer to myself only to spare the feelings of others) I believed that Guru Nanak could travel to different planets, could stop a giant boulder with one hand, could bring an elephant back to life and could shift the tectonic plates moving mecca to a different location. I no longer hold these beliefs but I can tell you for a fact that other people believe these things too; and quite honestly the suggestion that there were Guru's who could perform miracles is enough to make them believe this Sikh religion without question.</p><p></p><p>People who believe that gurus/prophets could defy the laws of physics wonder how they (gurus/prophets) do this. People who wonder how the laws of physics can be defied draw the conclusion that this power is bestowed by a higher deity (many Sikhs believe the "Eik Onkar" gave the guru's special magic powers). People also think that higher deities should be consulted when trying to settle moral dilemmas and so they look towards the physics defying guru as a moral guide. I<strong>f these people can be shown that their Guru/Prophet is NOT capable of defying physics then perhaps they will no longer look towards their Guru/Prophet as a moral guide, perhaps they will no longer call themselves Sikh.</strong></p><p></p><p>Some people <em>of course</em> don't simply believe their Prophet/Guru because they think they are capable of defying physics, i'm sure you fit into that category and i' sure you are not a Sikh because you believe Guru Nanak had magic powers, but<strong> it's naive to suggest that there aren't people who call themselves Sikh because they believe Guru Nanak had magic powers.</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Maybe you are right, maybe it isn't, maybe it is... that is the POINT of this thread. I am just starting to read Sikh history books, I am trying to understand Punjabi and because of my own inexperience I myself do not know if the intent behind this line was to make a prophecy/prediction. </p><p></p><p>That's why i'm here, on a Sikh forum, to ask people who know about history, Punjabi and have more knowledge than me about what this line truly means. IT IS A FACT that some people believe that this line reveals Guru Nanak's ability to predict the future with fictional-fortune-teller-psychic-like accuracy, YOU are clearly not one of those people, I am not one of those people, but if you want to address what you believe to be an incorrect interpretation of a line to people who hold a different opinion, you can't do it by belittling their interprettions and being condescending (like you are now). You need to understand their arguments. Sometimes you need to assume something to be true before you prove it to be wrong: it's called <em><strong>proof by contradiction</strong></em>, it is why we know that there are infinite prime numbers.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I did not play with words, I presented an interpretation that some people have of a translation written by Dr Sant Singh Khalsa, An interpretation that leads people to conclude Guru Nanak can predict the future. Perhaps you are not interested in the truth, perhaps you are not interested in conveying the truth to others, but I am and honestly your post is contributing nothing other than derailing a thread which should be about examining the claims people have about a line in sacred text.</p><p></p><p>Please actually read my post. It took me a while to write, because everything you have said I have had to respond to, but I am essentially repeating what I just wrote before. To make it easier, i'll paste the section which addresses the points you have made:</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: #006600">This section of SPN is dedicated to Sikh History, and I regret using the word "Miracle". What I wanted to discuss was a line (T<em>he Tilang, First Mehl Line)</em> which many people have interpreted as a prediction of events that took place after that line was written. The events that people claim this line alluded to have occurred, so what I was hoping to do was see if this line that people read as a prediction is acurate when it is read as a prediction.</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: #006600"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: #006600">For me this is important because to some people the accurate prediction of future events constitutes a miracle. To me it doesn't, but to others it does. Some people (not <em>all</em> people and clearly not the majority of posters on this thread) may call themselves a Sikh because the believe that the Guru's were capable of Miracles such as predicting the future and so if the predictions of T<em>he Tilang, First Mehl Line</em> can be verified or falsified by examining events that had actually taken place, their faith in Sikhism may also be strengthened or weakened.</span></strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="anon, post: 205981, member: 19291"] Don't misrepresent what i'm saying and don't misrepresent what others believe. If you had read my post above you would KNOW that I don't believe the Gurus could make prophecies like in fictional stories. If you read my above post you would know that the reason why I am trying to analyse this issue is because there are people out there who do believe that the line in the SGGS is a prediction/premonition made my Guru Nanak and they also believe this prediction/premonition came true. These people also believe the gurus were capable of magic. During my childhood and adolescence when I called myself a "Sikh" (a term I use now to refer to myself only to spare the feelings of others) I believed that Guru Nanak could travel to different planets, could stop a giant boulder with one hand, could bring an elephant back to life and could shift the tectonic plates moving mecca to a different location. I no longer hold these beliefs but I can tell you for a fact that other people believe these things too; and quite honestly the suggestion that there were Guru's who could perform miracles is enough to make them believe this Sikh religion without question. People who believe that gurus/prophets could defy the laws of physics wonder how they (gurus/prophets) do this. People who wonder how the laws of physics can be defied draw the conclusion that this power is bestowed by a higher deity (many Sikhs believe the "Eik Onkar" gave the guru's special magic powers). People also think that higher deities should be consulted when trying to settle moral dilemmas and so they look towards the physics defying guru as a moral guide. I[B]f these people can be shown that their Guru/Prophet is NOT capable of defying physics then perhaps they will no longer look towards their Guru/Prophet as a moral guide, perhaps they will no longer call themselves Sikh.[/B] Some people [I]of course[/I] don't simply believe their Prophet/Guru because they think they are capable of defying physics, i'm sure you fit into that category and i' sure you are not a Sikh because you believe Guru Nanak had magic powers, but[B] it's naive to suggest that there aren't people who call themselves Sikh because they believe Guru Nanak had magic powers.[/B] Maybe you are right, maybe it isn't, maybe it is... that is the POINT of this thread. I am just starting to read Sikh history books, I am trying to understand Punjabi and because of my own inexperience I myself do not know if the intent behind this line was to make a prophecy/prediction. That's why i'm here, on a Sikh forum, to ask people who know about history, Punjabi and have more knowledge than me about what this line truly means. IT IS A FACT that some people believe that this line reveals Guru Nanak's ability to predict the future with fictional-fortune-teller-psychic-like accuracy, YOU are clearly not one of those people, I am not one of those people, but if you want to address what you believe to be an incorrect interpretation of a line to people who hold a different opinion, you can't do it by belittling their interprettions and being condescending (like you are now). You need to understand their arguments. Sometimes you need to assume something to be true before you prove it to be wrong: it's called [I][B]proof by contradiction[/B][/I], it is why we know that there are infinite prime numbers. I did not play with words, I presented an interpretation that some people have of a translation written by Dr Sant Singh Khalsa, An interpretation that leads people to conclude Guru Nanak can predict the future. Perhaps you are not interested in the truth, perhaps you are not interested in conveying the truth to others, but I am and honestly your post is contributing nothing other than derailing a thread which should be about examining the claims people have about a line in sacred text. Please actually read my post. It took me a while to write, because everything you have said I have had to respond to, but I am essentially repeating what I just wrote before. To make it easier, i'll paste the section which addresses the points you have made: [COLOR=#00ff00][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#006600]This section of SPN is dedicated to Sikh History, and I regret using the word "Miracle". What I wanted to discuss was a line (T[I]he Tilang, First Mehl Line)[/I] which many people have interpreted as a prediction of events that took place after that line was written. The events that people claim this line alluded to have occurred, so what I was hoping to do was see if this line that people read as a prediction is acurate when it is read as a prediction. For me this is important because to some people the accurate prediction of future events constitutes a miracle. To me it doesn't, but to others it does. Some people (not [I]all[/I] people and clearly not the majority of posters on this thread) may call themselves a Sikh because the believe that the Guru's were capable of Miracles such as predicting the future and so if the predictions of T[I]he Tilang, First Mehl Line[/I] can be verified or falsified by examining events that had actually taken place, their faith in Sikhism may also be strengthened or weakened.[/COLOR][/B] [/QUOTE]
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