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<blockquote data-quote="ekmusafir_ajnabi" data-source="post: 63004" data-attributes="member: 4318"><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">It is amazing to see how strong the effect of Kalyug is on ordinary people. People see only what they want to see or perhaps it may be said, they see only what they are made to see”. It is very much a case of being absent minded. Unfortunately, it is the trait of Kalyug as negativity shall dwell and righteousness shall be shrugged under the carpet.</span></span></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Re: Asaitic journal of 1828 Baptism of Sikh women refrence</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">“While he receives this water, he repeats five tiroes : " wah ! guru jida klialsa/ wah! guru jida ¡ihateh/"* The grant'hi next demands bis name, which, if insignificant in sound or meaning, ischanged for another, and the word sinyha^- added. </span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">After this, a meat offering is prepared, called hará prosada, composed of clarified butter,</span></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">flour, sugar, milk, and various kinds of fruits mixed and baked on the fire</span></span><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">.”</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Let us look at the sentence, at the strength of which KDS concludes under the above</span></span></p><p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"></p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I think 3 points of this journal should be noted</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">1)some people started saying that there was no baptism for women in sikhism until 1860 or 70</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">it prooves that baptism was there for women in 1828</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">2)</span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">meat was never forbidden in sikhism</span></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">3)Guru granth sahib was always the guru as some namdhari's say that under the influnce of britishers singh</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">sabhai made guru granth sahib as guru</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">that meat was never forbidden. </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I would like to ask KDS if he has ever eaten such a dish or perhaps even if such a dish exists that has the following ingredients</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> “Meat (or even carcass), </span></span><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">clarified butter, flour, sugar, milk, and various kinds of fruits mixed and baked on the fire”. </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Let us look again at the above statement with a small correction.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">After this, a </span></span><strong><u><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">sweet meat</span></u></strong><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> offering is prepared, called karh prasad, composed of clarified butter, flour, sugar, milk, and various kinds of fruits mixed and baked on the fire</span></span><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">.”</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">English people used the word <u>sweet meat</u> for our mithai. Mince pies during Christmas are stuffed with raisins without a hint of meat in it. Where the word mince is normally associated with mince meat. It is clearly a misrepresentation of the facts most probably due to a misprint. Someone with a little acumen would have noticed this before making a statement. The word “meat” does not fit the composition of Karh Parshad. The same mentality exists with the authors of the thread </span></span><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">"Fools who wrangle over flesh" </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">where the fools have done similar mis-interpretations of Gurbani to enforce their own point of view.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Then you ask me why I have so much anger.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">In that Article it was stated that Sufi Saints ate Meat. But contrary to this Mis-Information in that article </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><a href="http://www.ivu.org/congress/wvc57/souvenir/sufism.html" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">World Vegetarian Congress 1957</span></u></a></span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> (My gratitude goes to Begum ji for this link”) </span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">The comments of a Sufi Matt follower are totally different.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: black">“</span><span style="color: red">It was at the age of seventeen that I happened to read a book on mysticism. It left a deep impression upon my mind and I was attracted to Sufism and Mysticism. The book was a guide for me to develop the latent powers in me on the way to spiritual life. For a Sufi, Vegetarianism is a <em>sine qua non</em>. This was my first lesson in Vegetarianism and since then I have been both a Sufi and Vegetarian</span><span style="color: black">.”</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: red">Syria</span><span style="color: red">'s famous Philosopher and Poet, Abu-l-Ala-Almaorri, who was a great Vegetarian of his time, infused the love of Vegetarianism and protection of animal life by his masterpieces and writings about the importance of Vegetarianism. In a couplet in Arabic he says: "People catch the flea and kill in; on the other hand they give alms to the poor. Better it is to free the flea (and not to kill it) than to give alms to the poor. <u>Why so? because life is dear (precious) to them both and they are anxious to live longer.</u>" </span>It is all the property of Nature and it will stand in the way of progress. It will demand a payment.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">My experience of more than fifty years has led me to believe that vegetarian diet is easier to digest and keeps the physical mental and spiritual powers intact.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: black">“…………….</span><span style="color: red">viewpoint only by bringing home to them the injurious <u>effects of meat-eating on body, mind, and soul</u>.</span><span style="color: black">”</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: black">The Sidhas(spiritually enlightened people) in SidhGhost clearly support the “</span><span style="color: red">injurious effects of meat-eating on body, mind, and soul”</span> statement but the “Fools still wrangle” with their mis-interpretations. On the path of spirituality one also has to give up vegetarian food too as the “pleasure in eating” also becomes a hinderence. That is why Bhagat Farid ji Says “Roti meri kaath di, Lavan meri Bhukh, Jinna khadhi chopdi, Ghanne sehenge dukh” Requirement of food is limited to that required for survival until physical death. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I am surprised to note that KDS and his associate Moderators with acclaimed doctrate education and those that claim to be Sikhs could not even pick up such a small inconsistency. Is this a Sikhism promoting Forum or Sikhism demoting forum. As moderators it is your task to ensure that the information put forward is correct and not to attempt to misguide people. </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">We say in our daily Ardas “ Sikhan da Mann Neevan Matt Oochi”. This type of article promoted by this Forum definitely does not conform to the above but appear to prescribe with “Sikhan da Mann Oocha Matt Neevi” and followed with the verse “Matt Patt da Rakha Aap Waheguru”. Because why take the blame onto yourself, blame it on the Creator. Is there a point in supporting this Forum where moderators are blinded with their “EGO”. I now beg to differ. The Blind are indeed walking around with a light in his/her hand proclaiming to know the path. But little do they know how much damage they are inflicting.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Then you ask me why I have so much anger.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">It very much appears that you people have taken the oath to disgrace Sikhism. Are you agents of Islam ? . Just as they are twisting each word of Quran and actually glorifying it to be the Word of Allah by tagging the facts of Science with it. You people appear to be doing just the opposite with Sikhism.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Then you ask me why I have so much anger.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Thodi Jehi Sharam Karo. Thodi Jehi Akal Karo.</span></span></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.punjabilok.com/faith/sufi_bhakti/sheikh_farid.htm" target="_blank"><u><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #800080">http://www.punjabilok.com/faith/sufi_bhakti/sheikh_farid.htm</span></span></span></u></a></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Baba Farid after some time, in accordance with his mother's advice, went to forest, and lived there as an anchoret for some years on leaves of trees. On his return, when his mother began to comb his hair, Baba Farid complained that the operation caused him pain. His mother replied that he must have caused similar pain to the trees when he robbed them of fruit for food. Then he set out on another pilgrimage . This time, so as not to hurt any living thing, he tied a wooden cake to his stomach, and, it is said, subsisted on the imaginary sustenance it afforded him for this vow. Then when Baba Farid ji returned, his mother finding him that he had not lost all remnants of pride, dismissed him to do penance for a third period of some years. This time, it is said, he caused himself to be suspended by the feet in a well. He composed the following couple in reference to these circumstances.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Farid, thy body is on the stake; </span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">thy head hath become a cage; </span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">the crows peck at thy feet</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">If God come to me even now, happy shall be my lot.</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">This is the very Saint, <strong>Bhagat Sheikh Farid</strong> that Randip Singh Claims to be a meat eater.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Those steeped in the color of God's love abide in His care.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Those who forget His name are a burden upon earth.</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">O Sheikh, no one in this world can stay alive forever.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The place upon which I now sit, many have sat before and gone on their way.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The earth asks the sky, O Farid: how many boatmen have come and gone?</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The body merely rots in the grave, but it is the soul that must suffer the consequences.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Says Farid, the Creator is in the creation and the creation in the Creator</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Whom shall we blame when He is everywhere?</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">By the above verses by Sheikh Farid ji, I end this discussion. </span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Begum ji, </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I sympathise with you for your reasons for deleting your postings but my reason is somewhat different.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Sunn Gallan Akash ki Kitta aye Rees.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Kind Regards</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Aad ji,</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Your avtaar when you wrote the above comments really goes well with you astrologically. You know the one with a Holly Moo.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Is it not amazing how God reflects differently through all his Creation.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I do not know what your last wish as a Moo will be under "Aant kaal jo MOO Simrey ? Perhaps you may have the answer.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I have happy to shed more light on your fate, Just give me your time of birth. It will save me time on guessing. That is if your intrested in the Begums Fireworks.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">But please do not bother with the above as I can put my time to more fruitful use.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ekmusafir_ajnabi, post: 63004, member: 4318"] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]It is amazing to see how strong the effect of Kalyug is on ordinary people. People see only what they want to see or perhaps it may be said, they see only what they are made to see”. It is very much a case of being absent minded. Unfortunately, it is the trait of Kalyug as negativity shall dwell and righteousness shall be shrugged under the carpet.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [B][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Tahoma]Re: Asaitic journal of 1828 Baptism of Sikh women refrence[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]“While he receives this water, he repeats five tiroes : " wah ! guru jida klialsa/ wah! guru jida ¡ihateh/"* The grant'hi next demands bis name, which, if insignificant in sound or meaning, ischanged for another, and the word sinyha^- added. [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]After this, a meat offering is prepared, called hará prosada, composed of clarified butter, flour, sugar, milk, and various kinds of fruits mixed and baked on the fire[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana].”[/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Let us look at the sentence, at the strength of which KDS concludes under the above[/SIZE][/FONT] [CENTER][CENTER][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/CENTER][/CENTER] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]I think 3 points of this journal should be noted 1)some people started saying that there was no baptism for women in sikhism until 1860 or 70 it prooves that baptism was there for women in 1828 2)[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]meat was never forbidden in sikhism [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]3)Guru granth sahib was always the guru as some namdhari's say that under the influnce of britishers singh sabhai made guru granth sahib as guru [/FONT][/COLOR][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]that meat was never forbidden. [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]I would like to ask KDS if he has ever eaten such a dish or perhaps even if such a dish exists that has the following ingredients[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] “Meat (or even carcass), [/FONT][/SIZE][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]clarified butter, flour, sugar, milk, and various kinds of fruits mixed and baked on the fire”. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]Let us look again at the above statement with a small correction.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]After this, a [/FONT][/COLOR][B][U][FONT=Verdana]sweet meat[/FONT][/U][/B][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana] offering is prepared, called karh prasad, composed of clarified butter, flour, sugar, milk, and various kinds of fruits mixed and baked on the fire[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana].”[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]English people used the word [U]sweet meat[/U] for our mithai. Mince pies during Christmas are stuffed with raisins without a hint of meat in it. Where the word mince is normally associated with mince meat. It is clearly a misrepresentation of the facts most probably due to a misprint. Someone with a little acumen would have noticed this before making a statement. The word “meat” does not fit the composition of Karh Parshad. The same mentality exists with the authors of the thread [/SIZE][/FONT][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]"Fools who wrangle over flesh" [/FONT][/COLOR][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]where the fools have done similar mis-interpretations of Gurbani to enforce their own point of view.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [COLOR=red][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Then you ask me why I have so much anger.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]In that Article it was stated that Sufi Saints ate Meat. But contrary to this Mis-Information in that article [/SIZE][/FONT] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana][URL="http://www.ivu.org/congress/wvc57/souvenir/sufism.html"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]World Vegetarian Congress 1957[/COLOR][/U][/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] (My gratitude goes to Begum ji for this link”) [/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]The comments of a Sufi Matt follower are totally different.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black]“[/COLOR][COLOR=red]It was at the age of seventeen that I happened to read a book on mysticism. It left a deep impression upon my mind and I was attracted to Sufism and Mysticism. The book was a guide for me to develop the latent powers in me on the way to spiritual life. For a Sufi, Vegetarianism is a [I]sine qua non[/I]. This was my first lesson in Vegetarianism and since then I have been both a Sufi and Vegetarian[/COLOR][COLOR=black].”[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=red]Syria[/COLOR][COLOR=red]'s famous Philosopher and Poet, Abu-l-Ala-Almaorri, who was a great Vegetarian of his time, infused the love of Vegetarianism and protection of animal life by his masterpieces and writings about the importance of Vegetarianism. In a couplet in Arabic he says: "People catch the flea and kill in; on the other hand they give alms to the poor. Better it is to free the flea (and not to kill it) than to give alms to the poor. [U]Why so? because life is dear (precious) to them both and they are anxious to live longer.[/U]" [/COLOR][COLOR=windowtext]It is all the property of Nature and it will stand in the way of progress. It will demand a payment.[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE] [COLOR=red][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]My experience of more than fifty years has led me to believe that vegetarian diet is easier to digest and keeps the physical mental and spiritual powers intact.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black]“…………….[/COLOR][COLOR=red]viewpoint only by bringing home to them the injurious [U]effects of meat-eating on body, mind, and soul[/U].[/COLOR][COLOR=black]”[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black]The Sidhas(spiritually enlightened people) in SidhGhost clearly support the “[/COLOR][COLOR=red]injurious effects of meat-eating on body, mind, and soul”[/COLOR] statement but the “Fools still wrangle” with their mis-interpretations. On the path of spirituality one also has to give up vegetarian food too as the “pleasure in eating” also becomes a hinderence. That is why Bhagat Farid ji Says “Roti meri kaath di, Lavan meri Bhukh, Jinna khadhi chopdi, Ghanne sehenge dukh” Requirement of food is limited to that required for survival until physical death. [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]I am surprised to note that KDS and his associate Moderators with acclaimed doctrate education and those that claim to be Sikhs could not even pick up such a small inconsistency. Is this a Sikhism promoting Forum or Sikhism demoting forum. As moderators it is your task to ensure that the information put forward is correct and not to attempt to misguide people. [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]We say in our daily Ardas “ Sikhan da Mann Neevan Matt Oochi”. This type of article promoted by this Forum definitely does not conform to the above but appear to prescribe with “Sikhan da Mann Oocha Matt Neevi” and followed with the verse “Matt Patt da Rakha Aap Waheguru”. Because why take the blame onto yourself, blame it on the Creator. Is there a point in supporting this Forum where moderators are blinded with their “EGO”. I now beg to differ. The Blind are indeed walking around with a light in his/her hand proclaiming to know the path. But little do they know how much damage they are inflicting.[/SIZE][/FONT] [COLOR=red][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Then you ask me why I have so much anger.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]It very much appears that you people have taken the oath to disgrace Sikhism. Are you agents of Islam ? . Just as they are twisting each word of Quran and actually glorifying it to be the Word of Allah by tagging the facts of Science with it. You people appear to be doing just the opposite with Sikhism.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [COLOR=red][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Then you ask me why I have so much anger.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Thodi Jehi Sharam Karo. Thodi Jehi Akal Karo.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [URL="http://www.punjabilok.com/faith/sufi_bhakti/sheikh_farid.htm"][U][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800080]http://www.punjabilok.com/faith/sufi_bhakti/sheikh_farid.htm[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/U][/URL] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Baba Farid after some time, in accordance with his mother's advice, went to forest, and lived there as an anchoret for some years on leaves of trees. On his return, when his mother began to comb his hair, Baba Farid complained that the operation caused him pain. His mother replied that he must have caused similar pain to the trees when he robbed them of fruit for food. Then he set out on another pilgrimage . This time, so as not to hurt any living thing, he tied a wooden cake to his stomach, and, it is said, subsisted on the imaginary sustenance it afforded him for this vow. Then when Baba Farid ji returned, his mother finding him that he had not lost all remnants of pride, dismissed him to do penance for a third period of some years. This time, it is said, he caused himself to be suspended by the feet in a well. He composed the following couple in reference to these circumstances.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Farid, thy body is on the stake; thy head hath become a cage; the crows peck at thy feet If God come to me even now, happy shall be my lot.[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [COLOR=red][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]This is the very Saint, [B]Bhagat Sheikh Farid[/B] that Randip Singh Claims to be a meat eater.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Those steeped in the color of God's love abide in His care. Those who forget His name are a burden upon earth.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]O Sheikh, no one in this world can stay alive forever. The place upon which I now sit, many have sat before and gone on their way.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]The earth asks the sky, O Farid: how many boatmen have come and gone? The body merely rots in the grave, but it is the soul that must suffer the consequences.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Says Farid, the Creator is in the creation and the creation in the Creator Whom shall we blame when He is everywhere?[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [COLOR=red][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]By the above verses by Sheikh Farid ji, I end this discussion. [/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Begum ji, [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]I sympathise with you for your reasons for deleting your postings but my reason is somewhat different.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Sunn Gallan Akash ki Kitta aye Rees.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Kind Regards[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Aad ji,[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Your avtaar when you wrote the above comments really goes well with you astrologically. You know the one with a Holly Moo.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Is it not amazing how God reflects differently through all his Creation.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]I do not know what your last wish as a Moo will be under "Aant kaal jo MOO Simrey ? Perhaps you may have the answer.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]I have happy to shed more light on your fate, Just give me your time of birth. It will save me time on guessing. That is if your intrested in the Begums Fireworks.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]But please do not bother with the above as I can put my time to more fruitful use.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]:)[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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