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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="Ambarsaria" data-source="post: 205718" data-attributes="member: 14194"><p>Original ji thanks for your post. I take note of one sentence which for me puts things to bedI have highlighted one part of your concluding sentence.</p><p></p><p>Other than putting my thoughts in composition as nice as yours, I am in 100% agreement with you and so I have always understood it.</p><p></p><p>The issue with most efforts by many is the desire to define the detail rather than the experience. SGGSJ and Guru ji's have repeatedly stated and Sikhs and many others continue to ignore. The gist is that the essence of;</p><p></p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>ੴ / Ik▫oaʼnkār cannot be defined and only experienced and consequently the experience that is dynamically refreshing with every moment cannot be encapsulated.</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">.<strong>You cannot define ੴ / Ik▫oaʼnkār in material and characteristic terms.</strong></span></p><p><strong>Live it in consonance if you want to experience joy</strong></p><p></p><p>I will cite a silly example in this regard;</p><p></p><p><strong><u>Example</u>:</strong> When I am typing on my keyboard, I am almost physically transferring probably hundreds of thousands of waves and atoms with the keyboard and receiving similarly. I believe I am one with the keyboard. I do the same with the keyboard, the table, the chair, the air and the living and non-living around me.</p><p></p><p>This is the essence of being with one,<span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>ੴ / Ik▫oaʼnkār. </strong>Much of it is beyond what we may think or express, it simply is and it is happening all the time with all. Within this context, we are simply players in a play with some provided capacities and some eternal truths that may guide it all. We may knowingly or unknowingly continue to abide by or work within and claim as though we did it and say I know exactly how it is. The creation has surprises in every moment in our lives which at gross level we may think we have control over through our ego complex.</span></p><p></p><p>To drive home the point in the following video you see the surprise while a bird may simply see it as an extension of the ocean and fly over it and humans built with invincibility in mind to some extent would be surprised and may not be able to cope.</p><p></p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]spg62-MrYpQ[/MEDIA]</p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]noq8FYvRqgs[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There will be preachers and others who will simply say stay put and pray, the creation is not guiding you that way and you will do it at your own peril. To great or small ways through our failures and triumphs the same is happening with every moment of our lives. If you are looking for a surprise free, always helping where you define what help is, etc., it is simply an illusion you are creating for yourself. There is some predictability in the chaos but there is no definiteness at the deeper levels the deeper you look.</p><p></p><p>By the way for me <strong>Waheguru</strong> simply means, "Behold how great "<strong>ੴ / Ik▫oaʼnkār" </strong>is<strong> or in praise of <strong>ੴ / Ik▫oaʼnkār</strong></strong>!</p><p style="text-align: center"></p><p>Sat Sri Akal.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ambarsaria, post: 205718, member: 14194"] Original ji thanks for your post. I take note of one sentence which for me puts things to bedI have highlighted one part of your concluding sentence. Other than putting my thoughts in composition as nice as yours, I am in 100% agreement with you and so I have always understood it. The issue with most efforts by many is the desire to define the detail rather than the experience. SGGSJ and Guru ji's have repeatedly stated and Sikhs and many others continue to ignore. The gist is that the essence of; [CENTER][SIZE=4][B]ੴ / Ik▫oaʼnkār cannot be defined and only experienced and consequently the experience that is dynamically refreshing with every moment cannot be encapsulated.[/B][/SIZE][/CENTER] [SIZE=4].[B]You cannot define ੴ / Ik▫oaʼnkār in material and characteristic terms.[/B][/SIZE] [B]Live it in consonance if you want to experience joy[/B] I will cite a silly example in this regard; [B][U]Example[/U]:[/B] When I am typing on my keyboard, I am almost physically transferring probably hundreds of thousands of waves and atoms with the keyboard and receiving similarly. I believe I am one with the keyboard. I do the same with the keyboard, the table, the chair, the air and the living and non-living around me. This is the essence of being with one,[SIZE=4][B]ੴ / Ik▫oaʼnkār. [/B]Much of it is beyond what we may think or express, it simply is and it is happening all the time with all. Within this context, we are simply players in a play with some provided capacities and some eternal truths that may guide it all. We may knowingly or unknowingly continue to abide by or work within and claim as though we did it and say I know exactly how it is. The creation has surprises in every moment in our lives which at gross level we may think we have control over through our ego complex.[/SIZE] To drive home the point in the following video you see the surprise while a bird may simply see it as an extension of the ocean and fly over it and humans built with invincibility in mind to some extent would be surprised and may not be able to cope. [MEDIA=youtube]spg62-MrYpQ[/MEDIA] [MEDIA=youtube]noq8FYvRqgs[/MEDIA] There will be preachers and others who will simply say stay put and pray, the creation is not guiding you that way and you will do it at your own peril. To great or small ways through our failures and triumphs the same is happening with every moment of our lives. If you are looking for a surprise free, always helping where you define what help is, etc., it is simply an illusion you are creating for yourself. There is some predictability in the chaos but there is no definiteness at the deeper levels the deeper you look. By the way for me [B]Waheguru[/B] simply means, "Behold how great "[B]ੴ / Ik▫oaʼnkār" [/B]is[B] or in praise of [B]ੴ / Ik▫oaʼnkār[/B][/B]! [CENTER][/CENTER] Sat Sri Akal. [/QUOTE]
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